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Thanks for starting the thread. I honestly think this may be the most important political movement of our age. The article you chose to link makes me doubt your sincerity, but that doesn't matter. Its still important to have a thread devoted to this topic.

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2 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh.  I am very sincere and as a victim myself, I say to the politician in the article and her ilk I say TIME’S UP!!!!

How about someone accused by 16 women of sexual misconduct.  Isn't their time up as well?

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

Whataboutisms don’t belong here.   

Apparently you don't know what the word "too" means?

 

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2 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Apparently you don't know what the word "too" means?

 

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

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15 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Whataboutisms don’t belong here.   

But hypocrisy is.

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4 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

It isn't "Trump hate" to report that he has been accused by nearly 20 women of sexual assault. He was caught on tape bragging about it. Trump stands as arguably the most prevailing figure in the Me Too movement. If you don't think a lot of this began with his winning the election and is a direct response to that event you're sorely mistaken.

If you want to have a legitimate discussion about Me Too that's fantastic. But you can't have it without including Trump. Sorry.  

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10 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

How do you remove Trump from the discussion? 

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5 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

Sorry, but there are 19 women who have said "me too" about their interactions with Donald Trump, but tens of millions of Americans didn't care and still don't. If you're one of them you're part of the problem.

One thing you could do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry is not tolerate it yourself. 

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1 minute ago, The General said:

How do you remove Trump from the discussion? 

I don't get it either. He is demanding

 

33 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

I say to the politician in the article and her ilk I say TIME’S UP!!!!

Isn't Trump part of that ilk?

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How many ex-wives would Rob Porter have to have beaten to prevent him from become White House Staff Secretary? 

Or did Trump, Pence, and Priebus think it was a positive that Porter is a serial woman-beater?

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Just now, Bruce Dickinson said:

How many ex-wives would Rob Porter have to have beaten to prevent him from become White House Staff Secretary? 

 

The answer is infinity as long as nobody found out about it.

That's how this administration works. See Flynn, Mike for another example.  

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Just now, Mile High said:

I don't get it either. He is demanding

 

Isn't Trump part of that ilk?

My working theory is that kd is actually a subtle Trump supporter parody account; he basically tees the ball up for us and lets us get our hacks in.

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Just now, packersfan said:

The answer is infinity as long as nobody found out about it.

That's how this administration works. See Flynn, Mike for another example.  

It's like the White House was triple dog dared to mishandle a woman-beating scandal worse than the NFL handled the Ray Rice situation.

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22 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

Whataboutism is bad. But BOF SIDEZZZZZ is A OK!

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5 minutes ago, Bruce Dickinson said:

How many ex-wives would Rob Porter have to have beaten to prevent him from become White House Staff Secretary? 

Or did Trump, Pence, and Priebus think it was a positive that Porter is a serial woman-beater?

Since it’s Trump related...we can’t disciss it in this thread..it’s apparently wanting to make sure only democrats are discussed.

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21 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

You are the first person to mention Trump.

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8 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Sorry, but there are 19 women who have said "me too" about their interactions with Donald Trump, but tens of millions of Americans didn't care and still don't. If you're one of them you're part of the problem.

One thing you could do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry is not tolerate it yourself. 

Oh. I don’t tolerate it.  That’s why I am so glad that TIME’S UP for the Harvey Weinstein’s of the world.  I am not into politicizing this movement and targeting our President.  That’s when the movement loses credibility.  Look at the original article posted.  We don’t have time to be led by sexual predators, alleged victims brought up to satisfy a political agenda and people that twist the goals for political purposes.   

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Is this the thread where we talk about the President who enabled a two-time wife beater that couldn't pass a background check?

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15 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

Is this the thread where we talk about the President who enabled a two-time wife beater that couldn't pass a background check?

Apparently it's a thread where we talk about how awful sexual predators are.

Unless they work in the White House. Then we should just allow them to do whatever they want. 

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

Oh. I don’t tolerate it.  That’s why I am so glad that TIME’S UP for the Harvey Weinstein’s of the world.  I am not into politicizing this movement and targeting our President.  That’s when the movement loses credibility.  Look at the original article posted.  We don’t have time to be led by sexual predators, alleged victims brought up to satisfy a political agenda and people that twist the goals for political purposes.   

No, that's where you and every other hypocrite/troll who claims with a wink that he stands with abused, assaulted and harassed women while standing with Trump and his administration of abusers and enablers lose credibility.

 

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1 minute ago, TobiasFunke said:

No, that's where you and every other hypocrite/troll who claims with a wink that he stands with abused, assaulted and harassed women while standing with Trump and his administration of abusers and enablers lose credibility.

 

So you are okay with the leader of #metoo in California objectifying and groping young subordinate male employees?

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5 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

So you are okay with the leader of #metoo in California objectifying and groping young subordinate male employees?

No we have problems with cherry picking a few incidents to try to give the impression there is some kind equal behavior on both sides of this issue. 

The issues women face on this issue are massive and pervasive. Literally every woman alive can talk about issues they have had with harassment. 

Sure there are some issues with females harrassing and some with false accusations. But you try to minimize the issue the by inferring there is even close the the same prevalence on both sides of this issue. There isn't. Not. Even. Close.  

 

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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

So you are okay with the leader of #metoo in California objectifying and groping young subordinate male employees?

Not at all. You were the one who said.

 

1 hour ago, knowledge dropper said:

I say to the politician in the article and her ilk I say TIME’S UP!!!!

 

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

So you are okay with the leader of #metoo in California objectifying and groping young subordinate male employees?

 

Don't turn this around on me and assume I'm OK or not OK with anything just because you can't or won't address your own position. I have a solid basis for my assumption that you support Trump despite his well-documented lifetime of misogyny, the 19 women who have alleged that he sexually assaulted him, the countless more who have been harassed or improperly objectified by him in a professional setting, and the fact that his White House appears to welcome, attract and protect men who beat up women.

If you want me to explain how I feel about some random state legislator I'd never heard of before I clicked on that link you're gonna have to explain yourself first. So let's hear it. Why do you support Trump despite (hopefully not because of) all the things I described above? Do you think that sends the right message to women who feel like society disregards their allegations and concerns and treats them like second-class citizens?

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6 minutes ago, Jackstraw said:

No we have problems with cherry picking a few incidents to try to give the impression there is some kind equal behavior on both sides of this issue. 

The issues women face on this issue are massive and pervasive. Literally every woman alive can talk about issues they have had with harassment. 

Sure there are some issues with females harrassing and some with false accusations. But you try to minimize the issue the by inferring there is even close the the same prevalence on both sides of this issue. There isn't. Not. Even. Close.  

 

Damn good posting here.

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10 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

Mods, please change thread title to "I didn't give a crap about #metoo until a man was harassed by a democrat woman".

Fixed for more accuracy.

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I hope this movement encourages grown women to speak out immediately and not wait sometimes decades...By staying silent it just exposes other women to being assaulted down the line.

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1 hour ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh I do.   I don’t want this important thread to be polluted with Trump hate, Trump rumor and Trump slander as all of the rest of these threads.   It’s about what can we do to make sure Americans of all backgrounds are not asked to tolerate misogyny and misandry. 

Sorry, but you don't really get to dictate what people post in a thread you start. PM Hell Toupee for details.

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Just now, Ditka Butkus said:

I hope this movement encourages grown women to speak out immediately and not wait sometimes decades...By staying silent it just exposes other women to be assaulted down the line.

You understand there are legitimate reasons why women don't always speak out right? With Weinstein, for example, there was the real threat that he could destroy careers. He carried that much clout. With others it comes down to women not convinced they will be believed. How crazy is that, right? 

Just want to be clear that you're not blaming the victims. 

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2 minutes ago, packersfan said:

You understand there are legitimate reasons why women don't always speak out right? With Weinstein, for example, there was the real threat that he could destroy careers. He carried that much clout. With others it comes down to women not convinced they will be believed. How crazy is that, right? 

Just want to be clear that you're not blaming the victims. 

 I think it would be terrible to live with the fact that I was assaulted but it would be even worse if I knew I could prevent others from the abuse and didn't or felt like I couldn't...So saying I hope the movement provides victims the strength to speak out immediately is hardly blaming the victim...

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2 minutes ago, Ditka Butkus said:

 I think it would be terrible to live with the fact that I was assaulted but it would be even worse if I knew I could prevent others from the abuse and didn't or felt like I couldn't...So saying I hope the movement provides victims the strength to speak out immediately is hardly blaming the victim...

Fair enough. Care to answer the question I posed in the first sentence of my reply?

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2 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Fair enough. Care to answer the question I posed in the first sentence of my reply?

I really don't care what their reason was for not speaking....I want those reasons to go away through the movement.....

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Just now, Ditka Butkus said:

I really don't care what their reason was for not speaking....I want those reasons to go away through the movement.....

I would view that as a problem and potentially a rather huge one. 

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9 minutes ago, squistion said:

Sorry, but you don't really get to dictate what people post in a thread you start. PM Hell Toupee for details.

Shame on all of you hyenas that just soil Trump in any thread in the political subforum. 

There has NEVER been a President in American history that has been more inclusive for women. Kellyann Conway, Hope Hicks, Ivanka and Sarah Sanders are all in his inner circle.  

You have all been duped into following this liberal narrative that Trump is horrible to women by pushing these bogus claims.  These claims are generated to feed the fear of the left wing womyn’s Anti-republican agenda. 

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1 minute ago, packersfan said:

I would view that as a problem and potentially a rather huge one. 

I think you just want to try and bait me into some kind of argument...What difference does it make what their reason if through the movement they are provided the strength to not need a reason to stay silent.

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5 minutes ago, Ditka Butkus said:

I think you just want to try and bait me into some kind of argument...What difference does it make what their reason if through the movement they are provided the strength to not need a reason to stay silent.

No I'm not trying to bait you. I just think that one of the fundamental issues here is understanding why women remain(ed) silent. Look at the response from the White House regarding Trump's accusers. The White House position is that all of them are lying. Roy Moore's position was his accusers were lying and Trump and the Republican Party backed him. Think of how devastating it would be to be a woman trying to prove her truth when an entire political party is fighting you and your words. Weinstein was in a position to destroy people's careers. It's easy to tell women to say it now when they're being harassed. The reality is there are legitimate reasons why they don't. 

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3 minutes ago, packersfan said:

No I'm not trying to bait you. I just think that one of the fundamental issues here is understanding why women remain(ed) silent. Look at the response from the White House regarding Trump's accusers. The White House position is that all of them are lying. Roy Moore's position was his accusers were lying and Trump and the Republican Party backed him. Think of how devastating it would be to be a woman trying to prove her truth when an entire political party is fighting you and your words. Weinstein was in a position to destroy people's careers. It's easy to tell women to say it now when they're being harassed. The reality is there are legitimate reasons why they don't. 

I hear ya, but you have to admit this has been going on long before Trump...If anything maybe there is hope that the nonsense in the White House will be the catalyst to embolden them more.

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5 minutes ago, Ditka Butkus said:

I hear ya, but you have to admit this has been going on long before Trump...If anything maybe there is hope that the nonsense in the White House will be the catalyst to embolden them more.

Absolutely. I'm not blaming Trump for sexual harassment. I do believe, though, his election victory sparked a massive change in our society, especially among women.When the country elected an admitted sexual abuser to the White House I think that pissed off a lot of women. To quote Howard Beale, they're mad as hell and they're not gonna take it anymore.  

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15 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

There has NEVER been a President in American history that has been more inclusive for women. Kellyann Conway, Hope Hicks, Ivanka and Sarah Sanders are all in his inner circle.  

So he's not a sexual predator because he hires women? Kinda like he's not a raciest because he knows rappers defense.

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Just now, Mile High said:

So he's not a sexual predator because he hires women? Kinda like he's not a raciest because he knows rappers defense.

We're not racists against Jews. Our lawyer is a Jew. 

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20 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Shame on all of you hyenas that just soil Trump in any thread in the political subforum. 

There has NEVER been a President in American history that has been more inclusive for women. Kellyann Conway, Hope Hicks, Ivanka and Sarah Sanders are all in his inner circle.  

You have all been duped into following this liberal narrative that Trump is horrible to women by pushing these bogus claims.  These claims are generated to feed the fear of the left wing womyn’s Anti-republican agenda. 

I don't know if you could say never, but he is the most inclusive POtuS for women in a while.  You have to go all the way back to President Obama to find a POTUS with more women serving important roles in an administration: Loretta Lynch, Valeria Jarrett, Susan Rice, Janet Napitalano, Elena Kagan, Hillary Clinton, etc.

Oh wait, I guess we definitely can't say never, and we need to add "never" to the list of words that you don't fully understand.

knowledge dropper, indeed.:no:

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