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Where have I focused on false accusations? I've only posted in this thread a few times, and most of those posts have been supportive of #metoo, which I think is a good thing.
Also, I don't follow entertainment news at all. When I first encountered the Aziz Ansari story, I had to look up who he was. ("Oh, it's that guy from Parks & Recreation"). But that's the point. You don't have to follow celebrity news to know about stuff like this. You just need to not be living under a rock.
Crystal Magnum had a checkered past for making rape claims (and for being a criminal) before the Duke Lacrosse scandal happened. She is a mentally ill dangerous person who is doing time for second degree murder right now. The biggest culprit in the Duke case was not her though, it was former DA Mike Nifong. He willfully and intentionally withheld evidence, fed the media lies, and started a racially charged movement. He welcomed the new black panthers and jesse jackson to town with open arms, because he knew that would really get the pot stirred. It wasn't hard to paint a bad picture of some privileged white boys who did in fact say racial slurs to the black strippers, and had bad party boy reputations. Nifong knew Ms. Magnum was a mental hot mess who changed her story many times over, and he ordered the Durham Police Dept to only show pictures of the lacrosse team with no fillers in the photo lineups, and he knew the DNA evidence did not match any of the lacrosse players. The list goes on. Nifong didn't care about justice. He cared about reelection, which he was up for. He ended up being charged with criminal contempt and got disbarred.
I admit I’m still learning the issues at play. Whether or not YOU understand them is up for you to decide. But I don’t really get your distinction here. In this case the inaccuracy turns out to have been more from the news media than from the accuser, but in the end this guy was apparently still accused of something he probably did not do, thus it’s a false accusation one way or another.
Trump’s history of being accused of sexual harassment, lewd behavior, sexual assault, and rape put him front at center in the #metoo movement. I’m not sure what the “debate” you’re referencing is.
I’m asking you. You said he was accused of something he probably didn’t do. What is that?
Henry, I don’t know. Somebody else brought up this guy as an example of someone who was “crucified”. I’ve never heard the name until yesterday. I don’t watch either of his shows. I wouldn’t recognize him. My response to the original post, for which Ivan took me to task, was that I don’t think he was crucified. If my wording was wrong, so be it. If he wasn’t accused of anything untoward, great. Again I don’t care about any of this since I think it’s irrelevant to the MeToo movement.
Well, it kind of sounds like Ivan’s right, and you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about on a fairly nuanced issue. Ansari’s probably the most hot button story in this movement right now, and is extremely important to the long term discussion of what is and what is not victimization. I’d recommend you read up extensively.
Just a guess: you have absolutely no understanding of where those numbers come from, what they mean, or what the percentage of false reporting would be for other crimes if we counted “false reports” the same way those studies did in other crimes.
The studies he’s referencing use a definition of “false report” that includes dropping charges, insufficient evidence to prosecute, and a host of other problematic inclusions.
I notice you didn’t say “estimated at 2%-10% depending on how you determine what a false report is”
I did not spend 20 weeks reading and reviewing every document referenced. Neither did you.
Dude, from your link:
google is your friend, you can deduce whatever you want to as you research the numbers ........... to say false accusations is rare I don't think is accurate and that includes falsely accusing people of sexual assault
I don’t need google on this one. I file lawsuits against governmental entities and other organizations when children in their care are sexually assaulted and raped. I fight with and against these numbers all the time.
I gave you the link, one of many links out there.
are you with squistion that the accused is always guilty and there is never a false accusation or those falsely accused doesn't matter in this world ?
I don’t believe that’s squistion’s position, nor anyone’s position, and I don’t believe anyone not insane agrees with that statement. Your characterization is similar to if I said your position is that all accusations are false and women who claim to have been raped usually just regret agreeing to have sex because they feel slutty. That is: it’s not at all true and a false characterization.
Dude, they can't even verify that 2% is an accurate number. Give me a link with actual percentages of accusations that have been proven false, which does not include "dropping charges, insufficient evidence to prosecute, and a host of other problematic inclusions" (as HF noted) and we can go from there.
It is because Tim already had his rebuttals planned to whatever examples we brought up. The actual story didnt matter.
exactly right I never said such a thing
then just tell me - do falsely accused people matter? if its 0.5 % of the total .......does it matter or doesn't it ?
Yes they do, but that is far cry from you false statement that I claimed that the accused is always guilty and there is never a false accusation or those falsely accused doesn't matter in this world
As noted by @jonessed, it’s virtually impossible to verify false reporting numbers. But one big problem is the confusion among alleged victims - and among police and prosecutors - as to what constitutes a crime. Going to the police and saying “I was sexually assaulted” and having the officer say (correctly or not) that the facts don’t constitute a crime does not equate to false reporting in my opinion, any more than someone saying his cell phone was stolen when it turns out the “thief” took his thinking it was his own.
so why are you wanting to fight with % numbers that I gave you a couple of links to .... seems almost like trolling a thread doesn't it ?
and rarely does that false reporting get prosecuted right ?
Stealthy I'm not sure how you think the time article supports your narrative. Trumps own words support these allegations against him.
Trolling of the thread was your unverified claim that 8%-12% are false accusations, which your links have not verified and that you have not retracted.
Thanks Henry, as I wrote, I don’t mind learning and I always want to be more informed. I will read the article.
Also, as an aside, how high a percentage would you need prosecution to be to consider prosecution “not rare”? Is it higher than the percentage of false accusations you consider to be “not rare”?
Can you be explicit about exactly what your argument is? Then I can tell you if I rebut it. Right now I can’t.
