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Most mass shooters are male- why? (1 Viewer)

timschochet

timschochet

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http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602

I raised this in the other thread yesterday, but I think it merits its own discussion.

1. Almost all of these mass shooters are male. It's tough to find instances of women. In fact, the only one I can personally think of was the girl who shot at a school in the 70s and said she didn't like Mondays (the subject of the Boomtown Rats song.) I'm sure there have been a few others but I can't name them.

2. The majority are white (though there are enough non-white mass shooters to suggest that there needn't be emphasis on this fact.)

3. Although the articles I've read don't mention it, I'm having trouble finding any evidence whatsoever of homosexual mass shooters- every one I've ever read about in my life was a heterosexual.

I make no judgments here, no preconceived notions. I'm curious as to why this is, and what lessons, if any, we can draw from it.

 
1. Men are horrible and should be exterminated- yea feminism!

2. Whites are horrible and should be exterminated- yea everyone else!

3. Heterosexuals are horrible and should be extermindated- yea gays!

HTH

 
I know the Vegas shooter was in his 60's but is it safe to say the vast majority of them are under the age of 30?

 
jamny said:
I know the Vegas shooter was in his 60's but is it safe to say the vast majority of them are under the age of 30?
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Yes. The article I posted mentioned that, and that the Vegas guy was an outlier.

Actually for me the youth aspect is easier to understand, because if alienation seems to be an important attribute here, young people tend to feel more alienated from society, perhaps because they are more romantic about their feelings? (I use the word romantic here to describe an overemphasis on feelings and how they affect one personally.)

 
Tom Servo said:
You might get more informed answers in the political forum.
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I posted it in this forum because I didn't feel it's a political question. But your comment does lead me to another thought: we have separated these mass shootings from terrorist actions mainly due to the notion that the former are done for personal reasons of alienation or bitterness towards society, while the latter acts are done for political reasons. But that point aside, if we study the personalities of mass shooters and of terrorists, do we find more in common than we do what separates them? I ask because I don't know the answer.

 
We live in a patriarchal world where the overwhelming continuous messages delivered to all people are almost universally told through the eyes and for the consumption of men, so when a man already prone to anger and violence feels powerless or loses control in a society where he is always told he is in control and has power the dichotomy between the real and the perceived breaks.

And we get this.

Because men don't know how to be men anymore.  (If we ever did I guess, not like everything was peaceful throughout all of human history).

You could also be really, really cruel, and say it's because at the end of the day, as a societal group, men need a physical release of violence and we just don't go to war anymore like we used to.  If we had more World War II type events every decade or so I doubt we would see the mass shootings we have.  I think.  Who knows.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
We live in a patriarchal world where the overwhelming continuous messages delivered to all people are almost universally told through the eyes and for the consumption of men, so when a man already prone to anger and violence feels powerless or loses control in a society where he is always told he is in control and has power the dichotomy between the real and the perceived breaks.

And we get this.

Because men don't know how to be men anymore.  (If we ever did I guess, not like everything was peaceful throughout all of human history).

You could also be really, really cruel, and say it's because at the end of the day, as a societal group, men need a physical release of violence and we just don't go to war anymore like we used to.  If we had more World War II type events every decade or so I doubt we would see the mass shootings we have.  I think.  Who knows.
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Or it could potentially be that men and women are different. :shrug:

 
Yankee23Fan said:
You could also be really, really cruel, and say it's because at the end of the day, as a societal group, men need a physical release of violence and we just don't go to war anymore like we used to.  If we had more World War II type events every decade or so I doubt we would see the mass shootings we have.  I think.  Who knows.
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I honestly have always believed this is what pro football is for. Everyone knows (or should know) the story of First Bull Run, how the northern crowds lined up to watch the action, how generals during that war were treated by the press as sports stars are today. So the modern man gets his violent aggression out by watching the Patriots vs. the Eagles. And the more violent guys get their jones by watching UFC. But maybe that's still not enough for some...

 
E Street Brat said:
Psst. Regardless of what you want you want to believe. Men and women are different.
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All right. Putting political attitudes aside- lets say that, as a social experiment, we replaced all of the world's male leaders with females. Keeping in mind their attitudes would be the same: a female leader of Iran would still believe in Sharia. A female leader of North Korea would still be the leader of a totalitarian state, etc. Is it your position that there would be less wars, less violence?

 
timschochet said:
All right. Putting political attitudes aside- lets say that, as a social experiment, we replaced all of the world's male leaders with females. Keeping in mind their attitudes would be the same: a female leader of Iran would still believe in Sharia. A female leader of North Korea would still be the leader of a totalitarian state, etc. Is it your position that there would be less wars, less violence?
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world war every 28 days...

 
timschochet said:
All right. Putting political attitudes aside- lets say that, as a social experiment, we replaced all of the world's male leaders with females. Keeping in mind their attitudes would be the same: a female leader of Iran would still believe in Sharia. A female leader of North Korea would still be the leader of a totalitarian state, etc. Is it your position that there would be less wars, less violence?
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I disagree with your premise that their attitudes would be the same

 
Most domestic abusers are male. Why?

Most serial killers are male. Why?

Most gang members are male. Why?

Most warmongers are male. Why?

Most terrorists are male. Why?

 
timschochet said:
Tom Servo said:
You might get more informed answers in the political forum.
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I posted it in this forum because I didn't feel it's a political question. But your comment does lead me to another thought: we have separated these mass shootings from terrorist actions mainly due to the notion that the former are done for personal reasons of alienation or bitterness towards society, while the latter acts are done for political reasons. But that point aside, if we study the personalities of mass shooters and of terrorists, do we find more in common than we do what separates them? I ask because I don't know the answer.
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You posted it in this forum because you don't feel it's a political question.  But you couldn't get past your 3rd post in the thread without asking for comparisons to acts done for political reasons?

 
GregR said:
You posted it in this forum because you don't feel it's a political question.  But you couldn't get past your 3rd post in the thread without asking for comparisons to acts done for political reasons?
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Sure. But I didn't want to discuss the political reasons per se.

 
Ilov80s said:
Most domestic abusers are male. Why?

Most serial killers are male. Why?

Most gang members are male. Why?

Most warmongers are male. Why?

Most terrorists are male. Why?
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There one thing that all / most men want. We want women. 

At some point women decided that bad behavior in men was now acceptable 

Now this doesn't apply to shooters and such. But if women quit banging gang members there would be a lot less gang members. 

Women have the power to change society. If women are taught and believe that killing their own unborn baby is no big deal. Then why are we shocked at the violence in our streets 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
We live in a patriarchal world where the overwhelming continuous messages delivered to all people are almost universally told through the eyes and for the consumption of men, so when a man already prone to anger and violence feels powerless or loses control in a society where he is always told he is in control and has power the dichotomy between the real and the perceived breaks.

And we get this.

Because men don't know how to be men anymore.  (If we ever did I guess, not like everything was peaceful throughout all of human history).

You could also be really, really cruel, and say it's because at the end of the day, as a societal group, men need a physical release of violence and we just don't go to war anymore like we used to.  If we had more World War II type events every decade or so I doubt we would see the mass shootings we have.  I think.  Who knows.
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No one ever told me I'm always in control. Did I miss that class?

 
Ilov80s said:
Most domestic abusers are male. Why?

Most serial killers are male. Why?

Most gang members are male. Why?

Most warmongers are male. Why?

Most terrorists are male. Why?
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though not isolated (because no one's looking?) the answer will come down to a similar fast-twitch/slow-twitch difference from women in our brain tissue and/or hormonal hierarchies as are in our muscles

 
Yankee23Fan said:
We live in a patriarchal world where the overwhelming continuous messages delivered to all people are almost universally told through the eyes and for the consumption of men, so when a man already prone to anger and violence feels powerless or loses control in a society where he is always told he is in control and has power the dichotomy between the real and the perceived breaks.

And we get this.

Because men don't know how to be men anymore.  (If we ever did I guess, not like everything was peaceful throughout all of human history).

You could also be really, really cruel, and say it's because at the end of the day, as a societal group, men need a physical release of violence and we just don't go to war anymore like we used to.  If we had more World War II type events every decade or so I doubt we would see the mass shootings we have.  I think.  Who knows.
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tangentially, boys in our culture don't really have a "rite of passage" to adulthood (i.e. manhood). i think that getting drafted, or joining the armed forces and going off to fight a war might have been the closest thing to it. at this point we've got:

turning 14 and getting some pubes? nope.
turning 16 and getting a driver's license? meh.
turning 18 and graduating HS? not really.

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, I'm not really buying this idea. Do you have any science or facts to back this up?
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Only my opinion. But a lot of smart people blame shootings on on video games. Why wouldn't wide spread killing of babies also dull someone's feelings towards people in general.

 
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Testosterone 
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Probably the closest to the truth, 

Little boys play GI Joe and little girls play tea time with Barbie. Even in cases were toy guns and general boy stuff has been kept from boys.You run the risk of having an effeminate/Emo kid who is likely to be picked on or bullied. Those kids also lash out in violent ways.  

I'd guess girls tend to hurt themselves and or develop eating disorders. 

 
Thorpe said:
If one man kills off all the other men, he can impregnate all the women.  But if a woman kills off all the other women, she can still only get pregnant once at a time.
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But think about how in demand she would be! Not to mention all the attention!

 
I think part the reason is the 'copycat' nature of it. The Columbine killers invented the school massacre and a bunch of other loser, white, heterosexual males followed suit.

I would imagine white, male, heterosexuals under 30 are diagnosed as ADD/ADHD and medicated at a much higher rate than average. Does that matter?

How many of these killers are taking mind altering prescription drugs? have fathers in their lives? Have been abused? are addicted to porn? grew up playing violent video games?

 
Ok, let me really help Timmy out here.... these aren't such mind boggling things. I know there are certain people who revel in this because it somehow supports whatever worldview they have but it is rather simple and there is no deeper meaning behind it.

1. Men and women are different. It is a fact. They tend to think differently and act differently and react differently. They tend to socialize differently and handle stress in differing ways. When they commit suicide they tend to choose different ways (more men will choose a gun while more women choose pills). You can go on and on and on on this. Sure, most mass shooters are male... so are most violent criminals.

2. White. Think about it. More white people versus any other group. Minorities tend to be urban where the troubled youth are sucked into gang life or other criminal endeavors. Further, urban schools in these areas are often more 'prepared' with resources that are built around gang and criminal activity that tends to make it not a 'soft target' like these suburban/rural schools that typically are not dealing with those same issues.

3. Really? How many stories do you read about the shooters sexual orientation period. I can not recall over reading "the shooter was confirmed heterosexual" or anything.

 
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