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Is this forum still an Anti Trump Echo Chamber (Was: just a liberal echo chamber?) (1 Viewer)

I too was surprised to see Trump survive the things he did. Tennessee is typically a Republican state and our (very popular) Republican governor Bill Haslam called for him to drop out of the race after the "grab them" tapes were released. I'd pretty much already decided to vote for the Democratic nominee by then, but I was surprised he was able to survive that.
I don’t follow TN politics, but does Haslam support Trump now?  Perhaps the strangest thing to me is how many Republican politicians went from calling him a horrible person and disgrace to completely embracing him. The few that stuck with their original assessment have been shunned by the party (Amash, Flake, and McCain). 

 
It makes it tougher to sell the idea that Republican voters are reluctantly supporting Trump for a couple of preferred policy outcomes and don’t like all the self-dealing, racism, selling out democratic allies to cozy up with dictators, and wanton disregard for the rule of law when more than half of them prefer Trump to Lincoln.
I for one, would never support a racist President or more importantly one that disregards the rule of law.  Trump on the other hand is 2nd to me as far as the best Presidents in my lifetime behind Reagan.

 
Republican voters recent poll had him more popular than Abraham Lincoln - 53% favored Trump, 47% Lincoln.

I’m sorry but that is bizarre. 
In the 1980s Yankee fans voted for the best all time player at each position- and Don Mattingly easily won for 1st place...over Lou Gehrig! So I think this has to do with a lot of people just don’t pay attention to history period. 

 
I for one, would never support a racist President or more importantly one that disregards the rule of law.  Trump on the other hand is 2nd to me as far as the best Presidents in my lifetime behind Reagan.
There’s a long pattern of behavior with Trump in his private sector and public sector life that is at best insensitive to issues of race and at worst straight-up racism.  To focus on current day, one of his closest advisors in the White House is Stephen Miller, a white nationalist primarily focused on making white nationalist policy legal.  
A really good way for Trump supporters to separate themselves from racism would be to call for Stephen Miller’s resignation.  But there doesn’t seem to be outrage that someone like Miller has Trump’s ear.  
As for the the rule of law part... Trump’s disregard for the rule of law is so long I don’t even know where to start.  Probably the most pertinent disregard at the moment is all the obstruction and contempt of Congress during the impeachment inquiry, from trying to claim “absolute immunity” in court to compelling his inner circle to defy subpoenas and refuse to turn over documents.  But that’s just the tip of a very, very, deep iceberg.  

 
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Without getting suspended means asking you to explain without a generalization that all Trump voters are all horrible people or some of the other stuff we get here. 

I too was surprised to see Trump survive the things he did. Tennessee is typically a Republican state and our (very popular) Republican governor Bill Haslam called for him to drop out of the race after the "grab them" tapes were released. I'd pretty much already decided to vote for the Democratic nominee by then, but I was surprised he was able to survive that.
I think that Bill Clinton is largely to blame for this. He lowered the standard. 

 
In the 1980s Yankee fans voted for the best all time player at each position- and Don Mattingly easily won for 1st place...over Lou Gehrig! So I think this has to do with a lot of people just don’t pay attention to history period. 
I think this combined with people just screwing around as mentioned up thread.

I also think some typical republican voters have also would not identify themselves with the Trump lead Republican Party which depending on how and in what order the poll questions were worded would peel away some votes,

 
Also does little to dispel the white nationalist thing
White nationalist thing??
Yes. In case you haven't been paying attention to the past few years, there have been myriad claims that Trump and many of his supporters at best tolerate white nationalists, and at worst, are in fact white nationalists. And when more people in the party claim that they think Trump is a better president than the president most known for ending slavery...

 
Yes. In case you haven't been paying attention to the past few years, there have been myriad claims that Trump and many of his supporters at best tolerate white nationalists, and at worst, are in fact white nationalists. And when more people in the party claim that they think Trump is a better president than the president most known for ending slavery...
So you're equating that poll to people being white nationalists?  I haven't seen one Trump supporter here support white nationalists. Do some of you realize this is exactly the stuff Joe doesn't want here. 

 
So you're equating that poll to people being white nationalists?  I haven't seen one Trump supporter here support white nationalists. Do some of you realize this is exactly the stuff Joe doesn't want here. 
Not equating. Said that is does little to dispel the notion. And can you dudes stop writing the whole "not what Joe wants in here". It is ####### annoying as ####. Make your point and I will make mine and we can have a back and forth about it. OK?

 
Not equating. Said that is does little to dispel the notion. And can you dudes stop writing the whole "not what Joe wants in here". It is ####### annoying as ####. Make your point and I will make mine and we can have a back and forth about it. OK?
Can you dudes stop making negative broad generalizations about Trump supporters. 

 
Could you explain this? Do you mean that liberals don’t really believe it, they are just pretending?
I don’t know what liberals believe but watching behavior over the past 3 years do I doubt some would poll negatively about Trump even if they don’t believe it? Absolutely not. Such a sad sad argument to attack Trump, have fun. 

 
And can you dudes stop writing the whole "not what Joe wants in here". It is ####### annoying as ####. Make your point and I will make mine and we can have a back and forth about it. OK?
Agreed 100%. Joe can say what he doesn’t want. He doesn’t need anyone else who is not a moderator to do it. 

 
Yes. In case you haven't been paying attention to the past few years, there have been myriad claims that Trump and many of his supporters at best tolerate white nationalists, and at worst, are in fact white nationalists. And when more people in the party claim that they think Trump is a better president than the president most known for ending slavery...
The most generous way I can describe it... Racists are certain that Trump is an ally of racists.  It’s possible that Trump so strongly views other humans as transactional that what comes off as racism is actually a complete lack of empathy.  But there a lot of actions from his entire adult life that point to racist-motivated behavior, and not a lot of evidence that he’s interested in healing racial divides.  

 
The most generous way I can describe it... Racists are certain that Trump is an ally of racists.  It’s possible that Trump so strongly views other humans as transactional that what comes off as racism is actually a complete lack of empathy.  But there a lot of actions from his entire adult life that point to racist-motivated behavior, and not a lot of evidence that he’s interested in healing racial divides.  
This simply isn't true

 
This is really where the magic lies with Trump.  He is able to get away with things that no one (in my lifetime, maybe ever?) has ever been able to.  He truly is the real Teflon Don.  It’s a fascinating case study really.  I guarantee 100’s of thesis papers will be written on the subject in the coming decades.  
Has there been anyone else that has tried? We could be in for a bumpy ride for some time. 

Also, I think Trump may represent a larger portion of this country than we want to accept. I have quite a few in-laws that follow the same moral compass. 

 
I just want to say that these ideas that Trump isn’t an adulterer and that Trump being considered a racist is laughable would only be considered reasonable in a modern conservative echo chamber.
Modern conservative is a good word.  Would be interesting to see it defined and contrasted withe traditional conservative values.

 
I for one, would never support a racist President or more importantly one that disregards the rule of law.  Trump on the other hand is 2nd to me as far as the best Presidents in my lifetime behind Reagan.
If I remember correctly, you work in the financial field. Would you, or any other Trump supporter, invest your life savings in a Trump venture? It could be Trump Wine, Trump University, or maybe a Trump Casino. Would you invest everything you have? Keep in mind, this isn't you and Trump discussing things personally over a Scotch and soda. You're money is just a drop in the bucket with other investors. 

Would you feel comfortable with your future in his hands?

 
I just want to say that these ideas that Trump isn’t an adulterer and that Trump being considered a racist is laughable would only be considered reasonable in a modern conservative echo chamber.
Simply not true, but I guess it’s safe to make statements like that in a liberal echo chamber? Behind an alias to boot. 

 
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If I remember correctly, you work in the financial field. Would you, or any other Trump supporter, invest your life savings in a Trump venture? It could be Trump Wine, Trump University, or maybe a Trump Casino. Would you invest everything you have? Keep in mind, this isn't you and Trump discussing things personally over a Scotch and soda. You're money is just a drop in the bucket with other investors. 

Would you feel comfortable with your future in his hands?
I would hope you wouldn’t make an investment based on any name attached to it, but on the merit of the actual investment?

 
I would hope you wouldn’t make an investment based on any name attached to it, but on the merit of the actual investment?
I think there's enough information out there to make an informed decision. Would you feel comfortable knowing Trumps track record? Let's say you don't invest in any one thing, it's a Trump Index Fund. But, Trump gets paid first. He always gets paid first. 

Are you a buyer?

 
I think there's enough information out there to make an informed decision. Would you feel comfortable knowing Trumps track record? Let's say you don't invest in any one thing, it's a Trump Index Fund. But, Trump gets paid first. He always gets paid first. 

Are you a buyer?
Personally I try to take any emotion out of an investment and base it on the numbers or in case of a fund like you mention go proven track record/low cost like Vanguard options. 

To play along though Trump has a very strong track record of thousands of ventures with a only a few bankruptcies.....all I believe in one distressed location. Don’t know what other options you are giving but despite the common claims in here his success rates stacks up quite well. 

 
In the 1980s Yankee fans voted for the best all time player at each position- and Don Mattingly easily won for 1st place...over Lou Gehrig! So I think this has to do with a lot of people just don’t pay attention to history period. 
Personally, I think the best baseball players were Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Danny Ainge, and Michael Jordan. Honorable mention: Russell Wilson.

 
It truly is the bolded, but some like to use it as an excuse for their extreme behavior towards Trump. Regardless of how the Left acts in real life, I highly doubt that’s the behavior Joe wants in here.....but you all already know that. 
Without speaking for Joe, part of what we don't want here is people telling each other what Joe doesn't want here.

If you must, please do it by PM or in a non-substantive thread like the pinned one.

ETA: Sorry, this is one of the non-substantive threads. I never know what thread I'm in when I'm on my phone.

 
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Without speaking for Joe, part of what we don't want here is people telling each other what Joe doesn't want here.

If you must, please do it by PM or in a non-substantive thread like the pinned one.
Sorry MT, my bad. Wasn’t sure which threads qualifies. Just saw edit, sounds good. 👍

 
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Personally I try to take any emotion out of an investment and base it on the numbers or in case of a fund like you mention go proven track record/low cost like Vanguard options. 

To play along though Trump has a very strong track record of thousands of ventures with a only a few bankruptcies.....all I believe in one distressed location. Don’t know what other options you are giving but despite the common claims in here his success rates stacks up quite well. 
He has track record of bankruptcies. That's business, to a degree. He's had some shady dealings where the smallest people involved have ended up with nothing, while Trump walks away under bankruptcy protection. 

Let's make the question easier. You have to give your life savings to Trump or Buffet to invest. Who do you choose?

 
He has track record of bankruptcies. That's business, to a degree. He's had some shady dealings where the smallest people involved have ended up with nothing, while Trump walks away under bankruptcy protection. 

Let's make the question easier. You have to give your life savings to Trump or Buffet to invest. Who do you choose?
You should research the bankruptcy info, it’s a few properties in Atlantic City I believe? It’s been linked in here his been tied to thousands and thousands of businesses.....that’s a heck of a hit rate as many fail in their first business and are done. 

Trump or Buffett? That’s like MJ or Dominique come on now.....we weren’t given MJ as an option. We were given Dominique and Rick Mahorn unfortunately.  :lmao:

 
You should research the bankruptcy info, it’s a few properties in Atlantic City I believe? It’s been linked in here his been tied to thousands and thousands of businesses.....that’s a heck of a hit rate as many fail in their first business and are done. 

Trump or Buffett? That’s like MJ or Dominique come on now.....we weren’t given MJ as an option. We were given Dominique and Rick Mahorn unfortunately.  :lmao:
Wouldn't you think that Buffett would have more bankruptcies being tied to thousands of businesses as well?

I think you're last sentence tells your true feelings. I'd give Buffett my money without hesitation. (I think you would too). But, with Trump, you'd want to dig into the actual investment. 

After the bankruptcies, you need to look at the number of lawsuits that were filed to settle shady business practices. If he pays $25 million settlement for Trump University, does that money come from your portion, his portion, or equal from each? I think it's the first one. You end up losing everything, he ends up making a little or breaking even.

 
Yes. In case you haven't been paying attention to the past few years, there have been myriad claims that Trump and many of his supporters at best tolerate white nationalists, and at worst, are in fact white nationalists. And when more people in the party claim that they think Trump is a better president than the president most known for ending slavery...
Poppycock 

 
Wouldn't you think that Buffett would have more bankruptcies being tied to thousands of businesses as well?

I think you're last sentence tells your true feelings. I'd give Buffett my money without hesitation. (I think you would too). But, with Trump, you'd want to dig into the actual investment. 

After the bankruptcies, you need to look at the number of lawsuits that were filed to settle shady business practices. If he pays $25 million settlement for Trump University, does that money come from your portion, his portion, or equal from each? I think it's the first one. You end up losing everything, he ends up making a little or breaking even.
Of course, any smart person would invest with Buffett. Still he has many investments that tanked along the way and I’m not sure your understanding of how a Trump U settlement works translates over to real estate deals which is a lot of what Trump does. Also you won’t see Buffett running for office or anyone of his caliber probably ever so it’s not a very realistic comparison. I can’t name a single politician I would want to invest anything in much less my life savings. 

 
If Bill Clinton had been married 3 times before taking office and had cheated on all three of those wives and had been accused of sexual assault by dozens of other women and had called all his primary opponents disparaging childish names and....

He never would have sniffed the oval office. 
This is pretty simple - I’ve been assured from some of my religious acquaintances that God is using Trump but didn’t use Clinton.  Pretty obvious, right?

 
Of course, any smart person would invest with Buffett. Still he has many investments that tanked along the way and I’m not sure your understanding of how a Trump U settlement works translates over to real estate deals which is a lot of what Trump does. Also you won’t see Buffett running for office or anyone of his caliber probably ever so it’s not a very realistic comparison. I can’t name a single politician I would want to invest anything in much less my life savings. 
I don't think it's a stretch that people trust Buffett more than Trump. Even those that voted for Trump. There are just too many grey areas when it comes to Trump. In my opinion, Trump takes care of Trump first. Sure, one could say they would rather invest with Buffett because he is a better businessman or manages risk more in line with your own risk aversion. But, there are thousands of other people I know very little about that, if forced, would give my money to instead of Trump. It's kind of Trump against the field. I think I know the risk involved with Trump, so the unknown is a lesser risk. 

 
Of course, any smart person would invest with Buffett. Still he has many investments that tanked along the way and I’m not sure your understanding of how a Trump U settlement works translates over to real estate deals which is a lot of what Trump does. Also you won’t see Buffett running for office or anyone of his caliber probably ever so it’s not a very realistic comparison. I can’t name a single politician I would want to invest anything in much less my life savings. 
I figured you and Noonan would be the first ones in line to invest in the Schiff Truth Index.  
 

😉 I kid I kid.  

 
When people talk about the "thousands" of Trump businesses, are they talking about all the times he licensed his name?  Do those count as businesses?  What about Trump steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Wine, etc?  I think those were going concerns that he actually had operational control of and I don't think any of them are particularly successful.  As a matter of fact, other than real estate and monetizing his name (not trying to imply those are insignificant), what has Trump been successful at?

 
When people talk about the "thousands" of Trump businesses, are they talking about all the times he licensed his name?  Do those count as businesses?  What about Trump steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Wine, etc?  I think those were going concerns that he actually had operational control of and I don't think any of them are particularly successful.  As a matter of fact, other than real estate and monetizing his name (not trying to imply those are insignificant), what has Trump been successful at?
He got elected. :shrug:

Jury is still out on whether or not he's successful. 

 

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