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Is this forum still just a liberal echo chamber?

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Yes, this forum made up of middle aged, largely upper middle class white dudes is a liberal echo chamber.

I mean, we're the liberal's demographic dream. 

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My not anti conservative, I'm anti GOP. They warned us how bad Trump was and how he had no business being POTUS. Then, when he won, those same key GOP figures have supported him at almost every turn. 

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9 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

My not anti conservative, I'm anti GOP. They warned us how bad Trump was and how he had no business being POTUS. Then, when he won, those same key GOP figures have supported him at almost every turn. 

I seriously don’t know how Ted Cruz looks himself in the mirror each day.  If somebody talks about my wife like that I wouldn’t ##### out and kiss the ring.

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40 minutes ago, James Daulton said:

Yes, this forum made up of middle aged, largely upper middle class white dudes is a liberal echo chamber.

I mean, we're the liberal's demographic dream. 

Did he say liberal? 

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12 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

It’s in the thread title so I’m going to go with yes.

Damn it, my reading comprehension Is way down this morning 

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Just now, Wrigley said:

Damn it, my reading comprehension Is way down this morning 

Liberal!!

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2 hours ago, spider321 said:

Testing 1, 2...

Don’t know about you but I’ve voted Democrat the majority of my time. This forum has made me see the error of my ways as I will never vote Dem again. Thank you fellow Conservatives for showing me, on this forum, that I can be the true racist my heart tells me to be. I didn’t know all of my true bigotry and misogyny until I saw others like me. It’s truly an amazing experience. Where did my Tang go?

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The GOP nominated and successfully elected the worst president of at least the post-WWII era and probably all of American history.  He's a dangerously incompetent racist authoritarian.  So yeah, the forum probably seems like a left-wing echo chamber right now because who really wants to be that guy who defends Trump on whatever his atrocity of the day is?  

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5 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Always good to have a spare for when your wife has your pair in her purse.

I think this counts as a Hitler reference.

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27 minutes ago, Ignoramus said:

Testes 1, 2.... 3?

[butthead] shut up fart knocker [/butthead]

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25 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Always good to have a spare for when your wife has your pair in her purse.

I laugh every time I see yours in her little tic tac case she carries around.

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I would say in many ways yes, it is becoming a liberal echo chamber. Here's why: about 80% of the conservatives in this forum have disappeared. They no longer post, perhaps because because they're disgusted with Trump and don't want to defend him. I don't know the reasons, that's just a guess on my part.

The ones who have left have largely been replaced by trolls. The trolls make "hit and run" posts or "hit and run" threads (like this one) in which they make some inflammatory statement and then refuse to engage in any discussion or debate. A few trolls DO engage in debate, but usually that's even worse, as they repeat falsehoods over and over and when confronted with the truth either change the subject or demand links which they never respond to.

The remaining conservatives from before are quiet and don't post all that often.

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I've noticed that many of the people that are against Trump are not actually Liberals, they just don't like Trump.  Some are Independent and some are Conservatives but they see what is going on and don't like it.  I think it's become more of a "Common Sense Echo Chamber."

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7 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I would say in many ways yes, it is becoming a liberal echo chamber. Here's why: about 80% of the conservatives in this forum have disappeared. They no longer post, perhaps because because they're disgusted with Trump and don't want to defend him. I don't know the reasons, that's just a guess on my part.

The ones who have left have largely been replaced by trolls. The trolls make "hit and run" posts or "hit and run" threads (like this one) in which they make some inflammatory statement and then refuse to engage in any discussion or debate. A few trolls DO engage in debate, but usually that's even worse, as they repeat falsehoods over and over and when confronted with the truth either change the subject or demand links which they never respond to.

The remaining conservatives from before are quiet and don't post all that often.

I think this is pretty accurate.

For most discussions, anything short of denouncing President Trump seems to mean the person is in Trump's "cult". For most people I know who lean conservatively, it's just not worth it to engage. 

And that's not a knock on us or the forum. The whole country is this way. 

Not sure there's any real answer.

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8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Wait Spider's coming back to discuss in his own thread?

Why would he?   It took 4 posts for him to be called a troll.   I believe it’s proven based on the responses that his question was rhetorical.  

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15 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

@spider321  A big MO of the echo chamber is you are going to be called a troll numerous times for pointing out it is an echo chamber.  Also, don’t ever play “troll” drinking game when reading a thread in this forum.  

So you don't believe that starting a thread like this and then disappearing is the very definition of a troll? 

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3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Why would he?   It took 4 posts for him to be called a troll.   I believe it’s proven based on the responses that his question was rhetorical.  

Spider's not a troll. He posts in TSP.  I recall conservatives didn't used to mind being called names when they were winning arguments.

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7 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

I think this is pretty accurate.

For most discussions, anything short of denouncing President Trump seems to mean the person is in Trump's "cult". For most people I know who lean conservatively, it's just not worth it to engage. 

And that's not a knock on us or the forum. The whole country is this way. 

Not sure there's any real answer.

When Bush was president, many liberals disagreed with his policies and thought he wasn't an intellectual, but he received no where near the scorn that Trump does.  Why?  Because he was actually a decent human being who could string two sentences together who didn't take the office on the basis of such nationalist and partisan themes like "build that wall", "lock her up" while causally tossing about middle school insults.  Trump is unique in just about everything he does, and while his base loves him, most of the country despises virtually everything about him.

And he's hijacked the entire conservative party so unfortunately conservatives are tied to him for the foreseeable future.  It's almost impossible to separate conservatism in America with Trumpism these days. 

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1 hour ago, IvanKaramazov said:

The GOP nominated and successfully elected the worst president of at least the post-WWII era and probably all of American history.  He's a dangerously incompetent racist authoritarian.  So yeah, the forum probably seems like a left-wing echo chamber right now because who really wants to be that guy who defends Trump on whatever his atrocity of the day is?  

And kind of like how all of the pre-election polls were wrong... because those supporting Trump at the time were not willing to say it out loud.

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Just now, Tom Skerritt said:

And kind of like how all of the pre-election polls were wrong... because those supporting Trump at the time were not willing to say it out loud.

I have a feeling all those that were not saying it out loud are really regretting it now.  The ones that were loud and proud to support him before and just as loud and proud now.

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it's an echo chamber for the 75% of non trump supporters who happen to be any combination of liberal, democrat, independent, libertarian and conservative republicans.  I don't know how many times this needs repeated. 

And those of you in the 25% group who support Trump...congratulations in being in the same small group as nazis, Russians, white supremacists and fake news enablers.  Great group you have going there.  :thumbup:    

 

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12 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Why would he?   It took 4 posts for him to be called a troll.   I believe it’s proven based on the responses that his question was rhetorical.  

The thread title is a deliberate provocation. Saying something stupid and then playing the victimization card is pretty much what we've seen out of Trump supporters the past couple of years. It's why Donald is forever 4-chan's president. It's what they do.

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5 minutes ago, James Daulton said:

 It's almost impossible to separate conservatism in America with Trumpism these days. 

Many of us have tried. We’ve used phrases like “Never Trumpers” and “real conservatives” and “traditional conservatives”, etc, and imagined there was a movement of right wingers disgusted with what’s happening. 

The sad truth is it’s a fantasy. It doesn’t exist. Among Republicans, Donald Trump consistently has higher approval numbers than any Republican politician in modern history, including Reagan. The CPAC convention gave him their highest level of approval, and angrily booed out the one woman (Mona Charen) who offered the slightest criticism. Even those few senators willing to verbally criticize Trump (on rare occasions) still vote for whatever he wants 99% of the time and offer the flimisieat of excuses while trying to maintain their clams of “independence.” 

Conservatives opposed to Trump? So rare as to be considered extinct. 

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23 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

So you don't believe that starting a thread like this and then disappearing is the very definition of a troll? 

No

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1 hour ago, IvanKaramazov said:

The GOP nominated and successfully elected the worst president of at least the post-WWII era and probably all of American history.  He's a dangerously incompetent racist authoritarian.  So yeah, the forum probably seems like a left-wing echo chamber right now because who really wants to be that guy who defends Trump on whatever his atrocity of the day is?  

Dont go there.  A growing number of republicans feel the democrats are racist.  Meanwhile people call trump racist. This is tearing the nation apart.  This is language we cannot walk back.  We shouldnt encourage it on either side in any way.  We need to come together. 

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10 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Many of us have tried. We’ve used phrases like “Never Trumpers” and “real conservatives” and “traditional conservatives”, etc, and imagined there was a movement of right wingers disgusted with what’s happening. 

The sad truth is it’s a fantasy. It doesn’t exist. Among Republicans, Donald Trump consistently has higher approval numbers than any Republican politician in modern history, including Reagan. The CPAC convention gave him their highest level of approval, and angrily booed out the one woman (Mona Charen) who offered the slightest criticism. Even those few senators willing to verbally criticize Trump (on rare occasions) still vote for whatever he wants 99% of the time and offer the flimisieat of excuses while trying to maintain their clams of “independence.” 

Conservatives opposed to Trump? So rare as to be considered extinct. 

I think though that there is a modest group of conservatives out there who agree with Mona... some of whom thanked her in private and offered her their support. My hope is that there are more, and will continue to be more, and that with increasing numbers, eventually it will become a public movement against the current state of the GOP.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

What is it then?  Certainly seems like a baiting attempt.

If that’s your opinion then don’t take the bait.  But there are times I have a question but not time to go back and forth.  I can come read the replies later.  Asking a question and not staying and replying is not trolling. 

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2 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

If that’s your opinion then don’t take the bait.  But there are times I have a question but not time to go back and forth.  I can come read the replies later.  Asking a question and not staying and replying is not trolling. 

LOL  So that's what you think this spider-dude was up to?  Totally wanted to have productive, mature discussion, but then he started the thread and got called away?  My God, I hope this is just an act by you.

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

If that’s your opinion then don’t take the bait.  But there are times I have a question but not time to go back and forth.  I can come read the replies later.  Asking a question and not staying and replying is not trolling. 

So, you think he posted a legitimate question in order to engage in a constructive conversation?

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22 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

it's an echo chamber for the 75% of non trump supporters who happen to be any combination of liberal, democrat, independent, libertarian and conservative republicans.  I don't know how many times this needs repeated. 

And those of you in the 25% group who support Trump...congratulations in being in the same small group as nazis, Russians, white supremacists and fake news enablers.  Great group you have going there.  :thumbup:    

 

Oh yeah....the Nazi card.   People wonder why nobody pro Trump posts?   Why bother.   

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3 minutes ago, Riversco said:

Dont go there.  A growing number of republicans feel the democrats are racist.  Meanwhile people call trump racist. This is tearing the nation apart.  This is language we cannot walk back.  We shouldnt encourage it on either side in any way.  We need to come together. 

Another thing tearing the nation apart is the fact that the President is a big ol' racist.

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1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said:

Oh yeah....the Nazi card.   People wonder why nobody pro Trump posts?   Why bother.   

You're the one who chose the guy you want to support. 

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1 minute ago, TobiasFunke said:

Another thing tearing the nation apart is the fact that the President is a big ol' racist.

So is that it in your world?  Each side calls the other one racist and we have a civil war?  

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

Oh yeah....the Nazi card.   People wonder why nobody pro Trump posts?   Why bother.   

Technically he didn't call anyone specifically a Nazi.  I think we can all agree that the people who are affiliated with Nazi groups are most likely Trump supporters so if one is really a Trump supporter then it would be accurate to place them in a group of people that Nazis are in.  It's a bit of an generalization.

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