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The Dude said:
I would love for Kasich to run as an independent and choose a democrat female running mate.  But even then I doubt I could vote for them as I have to vote the best chance to get the orange fool out of the house.
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Kasich comes across as moderate because of the field he was in. He is well spoken and measured and doesn't resort to too many personal attacks. However, he is a run of the mill conservative on the issues. There is little common ground he would find with a democratic female running mate. He is against abortion and thinks planned parenthood should be de-funded. He is pro- death penalty. He is against legalization of marijuana. 

I guess he is as friendly as the republicans get on LGBT issues, and he does have some moderate stances on gun control and immigration. But...he is most definitely conservative in general and really make sno sense to pair him with a democrat

 
The Dude said:
I would love for Kasich to run as an independent and choose a democrat female running mate.  But even then I doubt I could vote for them as I have to vote the best chance to get the orange fool out of the house.
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Kasich comes across as moderate because of the field he was in. He is well spoken and measured and doesn't resort to too many personal attacks. However, he is a run of the mill conservative on the issues. There is little common ground he would find with a democratic female running mate. He is against abortion and thinks planned parenthood should be de-funded. He is pro- death penalty. He is against legalization of marijuana. 

I guess he is as friendly as the republicans get on LGBT issues, and he does have some moderate stances on gun control and immigration. But...he is most definitely conservative in general and really make sno sense to pair him with a democrat

 
JohnnyU said:
She would never win the fly over states.  Horrible choice for the Democrats.  As I've stated before, they would be better served to concentrate on electing Amy Klobuchar. 
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Why?

JohnnyU said:
It has nothing to do with the color of her skin.  The Midwest doesn't trust extreme left leaning liberals from California.  They simply don't identify where her politics.
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Why do you think she's extreme left leaning?

 
whoknew said:
Why?

Why do you think she's extreme left leaning?
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Middle America doesn't trust anyone from California right now.

She's extreme left to Conservatives.  Perhaps not as much to Dems.  Still, she comes off about as likable as Hillary.

 
JohnnyU said:
Middle America doesn't trust anyone from California right now.

She's extreme left to Conservatives.  Perhaps not as much to Dems.  Still, she comes off about as likable as Hillary.
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Ok. I assume these are just your thoughts? Not backed by any polling or anything?

 
JohnnyU said:
Still, she comes off about as likable as Hillary.
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She has only been in the senate for 2 years. Nobody in middle America knew anything about her when she AG for CA. And I would argue that almost all of us still barely know her. Clinton had been in our minds for 35 years. There really is nothing comparable besides that they are women and democrats. Maybe that is enough to determine her unlikeability for some though

 
JohnnyU said:
Because Pharm companies shouldn't be able to overcharge for meds.   There should be price controls on essential items such as food, energy products, and I think there should be on meds as well.
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While I agree, this flies in the face of two cornerstones of the Republican Party. Price controls can be obtained by government interference in private companies, or by subsidizing these companies for money lost (light socialism, really).

You’re only a Republican until you are directly affected by one of their policies, then that’s out the window. 

 
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What about her is extreme left?
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She may not seem extreme left to the left, but to conservatives she does.  Actually IMO middle America feels that way about most politicians from California.  Also, her $3 trillion tax plan, billions in tax credits to low-income renters,  and Medicare-for-all health-care system plays into it too. 

 
JohnnyU said:
There should be price controls on essential items such as food, energy products, and I think there should be on meds as well.
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Food is far too important to put price controls on. We don't want a food shortage.

Energy products I agree with because they tend to be natural monopolies. It makes sense to regulate their prices.

Meds are weird because of patents. It makes more sense to reform the current patent system than to maintain patents while piling price controls on top, IMO.

 
JohnnyU said:
 There should be price controls on essential items such as food, energy products, and I think there should be on meds as well.
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I agree with you out of instinct, but I wonder what sort of mayhem would ensue if there were governmental price controls on oil futures.

 
MSNBC‏ @MSNBC 11h11 hours ago

Sen. Kamala Harris on partial government shutdown: "It's reflective of a much bigger point, which is an inability to understand priorities for individuals, for families, for neighborhoods, much less for the country. It is not and should not be about yourself and your ego."

"It's hypocrisy to say that this wall is about securing the American homeland and securing the nation. If you really want to secure the nation, pay those people to do the job that they...took an oath to do every day."

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1088268442766139393

 
squistion said:
MSNBC‏ @MSNBC 11h11 hours ago

Sen. Kamala Harris on partial government shutdown: "It's reflective of a much bigger point, which is an inability to understand priorities for individuals, for families, for neighborhoods, much less for the country. It is not and should not be about yourself and your ego."

"It's hypocrisy to say that this wall is about securing the American homeland and securing the nation. If you really want to secure the nation, pay those people to do the job that they...took an oath to do every day."

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1088268442766139393
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Now this is acting Presidential. I cannot wait until January 2021 when we can have a respectable leader in the Oval Office again. I dearly miss Obama, GW Bush, Clinton, HW Bush and Reagan. 

 
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https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-set-announce-2020-presidential-run-234647684.html

Bernie Sanders set to announce 2020 presidential run

WASHINGTON—Three years after fighting a surprisingly competitive Democratic primary race against Hillary Clinton, Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent, is making another run for the White House.

Two sources with direct knowledge of his plans told Yahoo News that Sanders, an independent and self-described “democratic socialist,” plans to announce his presidential bid imminently. While Sanders has been considering a bid for months, one of the sources said he was emboldened by early polls of the race that have consistently showed him as one of the top candidates in a crowded Democratic primary field. In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.

The source also alluded to a spate of recent polls that show Sanders as the most popular politician in the country. They attributed Sanders’ strength in the polls to the base and name recognition he built with the prior presidential bid.

“What the senator has this time that he didn’t have last time is he is the most popular elected official in the country right now,” the source said. “That’s light years away from 2016, when very few people knew who he was.”

A third source said Sanders’ bid will begin with an exploratory committee. Sanders’ campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this story.

In addition to these two sources, a former Sanders staffer who had not been briefed on the imminent announcement plans nevertheless said many recent signs suggest he is set to pull the trigger on a presidential campaign. Specifically, the former staffer said Sanders has been building out the infrastructure he would need for a White House bid.

“He’s already talking to staff and there are people he’s hiring. They’re nailing down contracts with vendors. … All the movement is there for him to run,” the ex-staffer said.

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squistion said:
In particular, the source said Sanders was heartened to see numbers indicating he is one of the leading candidates among African American and Latino voters, two groups he was perceived as struggling with in 2016.
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I think this is a big error. His current lead among these two groups is almost completely due to name recognition. Once candidates like Harris and Booker get more involved, or if Biden decides to run, Sander’s numbers will decline sharply, IMO. 

 
timschochet said:
I think this is a big error. His current lead among these two groups is almost completely due to name recognition. Once candidates like Harris and Booker get more involved, or if Biden decides to run, Sander’s numbers will decline sharply, IMO. 
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That's the great thing about an election - we'll get to see what people really want. Why would it be an error for Sanders to run?

 
Gr00vus said:
That's the great thing about an election - we'll get to see what people really want. Why would it be an error for Sanders to run?
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Not an error for him to win. An error for him to be excited by his current numbers among blacks and Latinos. That’s all I meant. 

 
Kamala Harris‏ @KamalaHarris 5h5 hours ago

Roger Stone is out on $250,000 bail just hours after his arrest while people across our country sit in jail for days, months, or even years because they can’t afford to pay their bail. It’s unjust. We need to reform this broken system.

:yes:

 
squistion said:
Kamala Harris‏ @KamalaHarris 5h5 hours ago

Roger Stone is out on $250,000 bail just hours after his arrest while people across our country sit in jail for days, months, or even years because they can’t afford to pay their bail. It’s unjust. We need to reform this broken system.

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Bail was set, bail was paid.   Without bail people skip town. Stone skips town and he is out 250K

What do you propose?

 
Hillary Clinton still considering 2020 presidential run

https://nyp.st/2DCpb6V

:unsure:

I can't believe she is really serious about this. Most Democrats have already moved on and are looking at the fresh faces. I don't see her, Sanders or Biden getting any traction once people start seriously considering the entire field of candidates.

 
squistion said:
Hillary Clinton still considering 2020 presidential run

https://nyp.st/2DCpb6V

:unsure:

I can't believe she is really serious about this. Most Democrats have already moved on and are looking at the fresh faces. I don't see her, Sanders or Biden getting any traction once people start seriously considering the entire field of candidates.
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She’s not serious. One way you know is that all of her people have gone to work for other campaigns (several for Kamela Harris). Just media talk. 

 
timschochet said:
I think you’re wrong about Biden. 
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Look at previous times he ran, he got nowhere - his candidacy was pretty much greeted with a collective yawn among Democrats. Plus he never has been seriously vetted as a front runner. He's a gaffe machine, has some baggage in dealing with women. Right wing critics in this forum (or rather in the FFA) considered him pretty much of a joke. Akin to the Socialist label with Bernie, which never got to the front burned because he didn't get past the primaries, but we would hear about it 24/7 if Sanders was the 2020 nominee.

I think Biden is doing well in early polling because of name recognition, but will fade once Democratic voters start seriously looking at the race.

 
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AAABatteries said:
I think both Sanders, Biden AND Hillary would get traction - I’m good with the 3 all bowing out now if necessary to get some fresh blood.  
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All three of those people, none of whom have ever been in my kitchen, should throw the full force of their still considerable influence behind the eventual Dem nominee. Beating Donald is going to require everybody on board with the program.  Which is "No More Donald."

 
timschochet said:
She’s not serious. One way you know is that all of her people have gone to work for other campaigns (several for Kamela Harris). Just media talk. 
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Maybe she's playing a deep game, keeping the target on her back for as long as possible so the conservative media and RNC waste time hammering her instead of focusing all their attention on the legitimate candidates. If she's not doing it on purpose, almost as good.

 
roadkill1292 said:
All three of those people, none of whom have ever been in my kitchen, should throw the full force of their still considerable influence behind the eventual Dem nominee. Beating Donald is going to require everybody on board with the program.  Which is "No More Donald."
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And I think they will - I don’t see anybody standing on the sideline in 2020.  However, I do think Hillary running again would be a disaster - exactly what Trump would want to rally his base.  Sanders less so and  Biden the least.  I agree with others that Trump will smear whoever it is but I think have a youngish, fresh face helps offset that some.

 
Gr00vus said:
Maybe she's playing a deep game, keeping the target on her back for as long as possible so the conservative media and RNC waste time hammering her instead of focusing all their attention on the legitimate candidates. If she's not doing it on purpose, almost as good.
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I would actually be in favor of this. Not only will Donald's personal attacks on his ultimate opponent be relentless, childish and ugly, but they will also be somehow effective. His base loves him for that when decent people wouldn't even let a guy who says stuff like that attend a backyard cookout.

 
shader said:
Any idea why Al Gore wouldn’t give it a shot? 
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Is Lyndon LaRouche still around?

Walter Mondale? Gary Hart?

The funny thing is that mentioning Gary Hart seems like it’s going back a ways ... but Gary Hart and Joe Biden are from the same era, both having lost to Michael Dukakis in the same primary.

 
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Gr00vus said:
Maybe she's playing a deep game, keeping the target on her back for as long as possible so the conservative media and RNC waste time hammering her instead of focusing all their attention on the legitimate candidates. If she's not doing it on purpose, almost as good.
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She should take on Donald Trump as the non-candidate antagonist, just as Joe Biden should. They would each have their role in different ways to point out how ludicrous the current administration is, but they should always end with "and that's why you should support X". Not as the candidate themselves.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
shader said:
Any idea why Al Gore wouldn’t give it a shot? 
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Is Lyndon LaRouche still around?

Walter Mondale? Gary Hart?

The funny thing is that mentioning Gary Hart seems like it’s going back a ways ... but Gary Hart and Joe Biden are from the same era, both having lost to Michael Dukakis in the same primary.
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Neither of them really "lost" to Dukakis, as they both withdrew due to scandals before primary season heated up (Biden for plagiarism and Hart for Ricedotting).

Lyndon LaRouche also ran that year, finishing 8th in total votes (just outside of the threshold for getting Al Franken to impersonate him in that SNL debate sketch).

 
Bill Maher on the Howard Schultz candidacy:  :coffee:

Bill Maher‏ @billmaher 4m4 minutes ago

Really? The coffee guy wants to be president? Just because you had one profitable insight - people will overpay for coffee - doesn't mean you can run the world. Govt is a different animal, can we please get a pro in there?

 
Going into this year, Booker was my #1 choice. But I began to wonder about him during the Kavanaugh hearings as he was upstaged by Harris despite his best efforts not to be; as I wrote at the time, that was very much an audition and both of them were quite aware of it, and of each other. 

I suspect Booker will run to Harris’ right, slightly, and be more palatable to those Democrats who are concerned that progressive ideas like Medicare for All will give us 4 more years of Trump. But in the end I doubt it will matter. Politics is much more about personality and charisma than it is about ideas- Kamela’s got more of those than Booker, which is why she will in all likelihood defeat Booker and everybody else. 

 
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