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Goff tossed deep to Watkins a lot, no? We see how that went.
He's really not overrated. While he might not be in the ballpark of AB, Jones, ODB, Evans...the talent is there and he easily could be among them with enough targets and good QB.
While that could turn out to be the case, it would be tough to make that argument after one decent start. Watkins was just part of the league's top offense in 2017.
fantasy wise I don't think Mahomes is being over hyped......although I am not even sure what over hyped really means.....because in most cases he still represents potential value considering the QB's being drafted ahead of him....Goff is going well before him in most drafts I have seen....is Goff a JAG....I don't know, he had a nice year....but if I had to plant my stake in the ground moving forward I would roll the dice on Mahomes at this point....they weren't happy about losing Watkins....Goff's 3800/28 was nice....IMO that might be Mahomes floor moving forward....and probably Goff's ceiling....
so two questions....
I don't think you understand the definition of "floor" or "ceiling" very well.
fair enough...I disagree completely....but thats why we participate in this hobby...
I'm saying Goff will never have a better season then he had last year.....thus his ceiling...
You're not getting that Goff only played 15 games in 2017.
rounding up a little but thats ok...we'll factor in losing Watkins and call it a wash, which is generous IMO....and I'll stand by 3800/28 being Goff's 16 game ceiling.....
I'm just saying that I don't believe he has thrown a regular season pass yet in the NFL. I love the tools he has around him but lets see what he can do for full NFL season.
fair enough...but Mahomes did play last year in a somewhat meaningless game....and fantasy wise it wasn't even really relevant, cause he had zero TD's....however he did look really good....so much so that 3 of the NFL's top defensive players Von/Talib/Chris Harris all said they hate to admit it, but Mahomes looked like the real deal and was going to be very good....they are not looking forward to seeing him for the next few years....kid is dripping in arm talent etc. making throws only a few try.....and from what I understand he is also excellent at picking up the other things that go along with it formations/blitz/commanding the huddle/changing plays/etc....
Maybe that will be Goff's best season, but since he only played in 15 games (starters held out in Week 17) and he was 23 in his second season - to say he could never do better seems odd. Plus the concept of "ceiling" isn't what you think it's what realistically could happen.
fair enough...I realize I
true...I will admit in some ways I do think Goff is JAG....and last season was/will be his best.....I expect his numbers to regress...I could be wrong, but I see him finishing in the middle of the pack from here on out.....again...just IMO....
@Stinkin Ref's take on Goff is really bizarre. I get liking Mahomes; that doesn't have to equate to unnecessarily disparaging another young QB.
On like 70 targets. Watkins was insanely efficient with his targets when thrown to. It was recently pointed out by an AFC scout (sorry no source) that Watkins has never been utilized correctly. I agree 100%. If he had the targets, he’d have the stats of Evans and others in that realm with ease. Situation and health have been the only things holding him back. He’s as talented as the Evans and OBJ’s.
You think the 1.01 drafted QB who has only 1 season as a starter under his belt and Woods as his primary receiving option and still just 23 years old.... hit his ceiling already in his first season as the starter? That’s not even bold, it’s extremely shortsighted.
Well since I have Hill in two leagues and Kelce in one (where I also have Hill), I certainly hope Mahomes tears the league apart - but he'd be on a short list of Big 12 QBs that were able to excel in the NFL. I think he can do it, but let's slow down on "floors" that would put him as a top 5 QB most seasons.
Not to mention the fact that the offense was in its first year for everybody, including Goff. The fact that they will have had a full season in that offense now should be reason for progression, not regression. Cupp is a year further in as are his young TE's. It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone regressed after having a breakout season but I certainly see more reasons to think he'll play better this year than that he's reached his ceiling. If banking everything on Mahomes in his first year as a starter be sure to nab Josh Allen as his backup given the amount of arm talent he's got and all.
Yes.
well for discussion purposes only.... if the floor is around 3800/28....we can start talking about full first years by guys like Newton/Dak/Winston/Wilson/Mariota/Eli/Rodgers/Cousins...let alone the pace Watson was on last year....some of those TD's for those guys did included rushing TD's (of which I think Goff had 1)...and rushing ability is also a strength of Mahomes...
It is not abuse.
2014 16 games: 65/982/6....probably exceeded expectations for a rookie in that offense/QB
Exactly how many top 25 ppr seasons has Watkins had? Maybe 1 of 4 years? Is that an elite rate of return?
Watkins has a poor catch rate but he is elite in yards per catch, very strong in yards per target and PPR fantasy speaking pretty strong in points per target. Better than Mike Evans, closer to Odell then Evans is to Watkins. So other than the catch rate he's good to elite by most measures of efficiency.
