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I'm skeptical due to the Titan's offense this year, but more so optimistic because he's not a retread and the last time the Packers brought in a relative unknown who had OC'd a struggling offense the year prior, it worked out fairly well :thumbup:

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Getting a feel for the Titans offense is impossible when Mariota can't stay in for a full game and then they have to go with Gabbert.

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I’m certainly not mad about the pick. I hope that he’s got some fresh ideas and will use Rodgers in a way to extend his career. I would love to see the uptempo offense where we are snapping the ball with 10 seconds on the play clock. I just feel like it gives the offense an edge, they know what they are doing the defense is trying to figure it out. The Rams run their offense in that manner and I really like it. 

I will not be surprised if some big named players are gone this offseason and maybe we dabble in free agency a little more this year. 

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On 1/7/2019 at 8:02 PM, Pipes said:

Matt Ryan had his best season statistically with LaFleur.  Goff made a gigantic leap with LaFleur.  Obviously hard to say if LaFleur deserves credit for that but I’ll take it as positive marks for him.

 It "ended" RGB, Manziel, and Mariota didn't look so good. 

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The history of teams firing a HC who won a Super bowl with them is very ugly. The next coach is always worse, regardless of how far the SB winning coach had fallen. LaFleur having next to no track record makes me pretty nervous. The Titans offense was pretty bad last year, and LaFleur never called plays anywhere else. He wasn't really on the radar as a coaching candidate going into the season, why did his stock go up?  

I hope I'm wrong, because the NFL is more fun when the Packers are good, but in a year of almost universally bad moves by the Packers, this feels like another.

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19 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Also listening to some Nashville radio and looking back to the start of the season...Henry wasn’t exactly ignored earlier in the year...he was being outplayed by Lewis.   18 carries each in week 1 and 2 and around 3 yards a carry.  I think many things happened to gets henry to those end of the year breakouts.  He ran differently, the Titans used him better, and the Oline performed better than earlier.  So just trying to question the OC on his use may be a bit short sighted.

LaFleur introduced Zone Blocking rather than the hybrid scheme that the TEN OL had used in 2017. When they brought in Mularkey for a couple of weeks mid season and went back to the hybrid blocking scheme was when Henry took off. @Bri can no doubt explain it better.

We wish you luck with your new hire and hope our new OC will tailor his scheme to the team's strenghts rather than to his own beliefs

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40 minutes ago, travdogg said:

The history of teams firing a HC who won a Super bowl with them is very ugly. The next coach is always worse, regardless of how far the SB winning coach had fallen. LaFleur having next to no track record makes me pretty nervous. The Titans offense was pretty bad last year, and LaFleur never called plays anywhere else. He wasn't really on the radar as a coaching candidate going into the season, why did his stock go up?  

I hope I'm wrong, because the NFL is more fun when the Packers are good, but in a year of almost universally bad moves by the Packers, this feels like another.

I don't know what he hangs his hat on right now.

We shall find out.

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On 1/7/2019 at 5:07 PM, voiceofunreason said:

Clearly must have blown them away in the interviews but smells a bit like desperation, hiring a guy and hoping he caught the Shanahan/McVay magic. I’m hoping for the best but seems like at least they should have hired a proven oc as head coach, not a one year disappointment from the titans.

Cautionary story lines abound here and I agree.

Working for a large company we have a revolving door of execs/managers that interview incredibly well and then sit like a deer caught in headlights once the work needs to be done. Difficult to know how they will actually handle things when taking over at this level. Simply a wait 'n' see situation.

It does feel a bit like the flavor of the month... go out and find me the next young, offensive genius that nobody knows about.

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Interested in Packer fans thoughts on Rodgers and the new head coach. Lafluer is only four years older than Rodgers, who has been the man in Green Bay for what seems like forever. Will Rodgers be coachable? with a new head coach that has only called plays for one season (and not in a very efficient offense)? Will LaFluer defer play calling to his offensive coordinator?

I'll hang up and listen................ Thanks for the line

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I was reading LaFleur hasn't decided on everything because he wants to be involved in everything and yet trust his staff. 

On the radio, some Packer brass (sorry idk) was saying he blew them away with his defensive thoughts, special teams, personnel and..the whole thing. Not just offense.

Vrabel didn't want him on the sideline (for good reasons not bad) and this gave LaFleur pause as to what he'd do as a coach and...sounded again like he wants to be involved yet trust.

I bet he hasn't decided and still could change his mind a few times too

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One common sentiment is as ling as year one isn't disastrous, he was hired to be there a long time. This is not a get us to the next step hire but lets build a program type

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Re; will Rodgers be coachable?

I don't think you have to coach Rodgers. He is an all time great and knows what he is doing. I'm assuming you mean will he let the coaches run the game plan and he go out and execute? It's anybody's guess and the answer is probably yes as long as things are going well. I'll also assume that Rodgers at least was asked what he thought of the new coach before the hiring.

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17 minutes ago, Chicago Hooligan said:

Rest in diarrhea Ron Zook

I mean this year was lost anyway...but how much has poor special teams cost the Packers over the years?

Seattle obviously being the big one.

But there have been some major special teams gaffes...all while we actually have had good to great kicking out of Crosby and pretty adequate punting save for a couple years trying to replace Jon Ryan.

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One thing that was mentioned that makes a lot of sense is that LaFleur should have not been considered for the job because of Mularkey. When the offense was struggling, the Titans went at their old coach (still being paid) for offensive tips and he became a silent advisor for the rest of the year.  If he needed help to get things rolling, why would GB offer him a job rather than wait til he gets things rolling on his own? I think this is an excellent point BUT that could bring just enough humility where he hires the right guys to help him and is the rare open-minded coach because of what happened.  

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8 hours ago, Bri said:

One thing that was mentioned that makes a lot of sense is that LaFleur should have not been considered for the job because of Mularkey. When the offense was struggling, the Titans went at their old coach (still being paid) for offensive tips and he became a silent advisor for the rest of the year.  If he needed help to get things rolling, why would GB offer him a job rather than wait til he gets things rolling on his own? I think this is an excellent point BUT that could bring just enough humility where he hires the right guys to help him and is the rare open-minded coach because of what happened.  

Proof is in the pudding.....

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terrible hire, Nat Hackett..just terrible..you have one of the greatest QB's ever and you want to give him a run-first OC? so, the Packers are a RB-challeged team, with a porous defense and lacking WR's not named Adams, an aging line, and you want to give Rodgers Mr Hackett..uggh...now you need to commit to the run which you're not capable of doing with the players currently on the roster. 

way to turn Rodgers in to a 17-24-224-1 QB..LOL

I'm sorry but hiring these script kiddies like Hackett and LeFleur is a recipe for disaster.  two nobodies who've done nothing on other teams won't suddenly flip the switch and become Bill Bellichick. 

 

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8 hours ago, Tanner9919 said:

terrible hire, Nat Hackett..just terrible..you have one of the greatest QB's ever and you want to give him a run-first OC? so, the Packers are a RB-challeged team, with a porous defense and lacking WR's not named Adams, an aging line, and you want to give Rodgers Mr Hackett..uggh...now you need to commit to the run which you're not capable of doing with the players currently on the roster. 

way to turn Rodgers in to a 17-24-224-1 QB..LOL

I'm sorry but hiring these script kiddies like Hackett and LeFleur is a recipe for disaster.  two nobodies who've done nothing on other teams won't suddenly flip the switch and become Bill Bellichick. 

 

I hate when people do this. Nobody is going to become the next Bill Bellichick. Not sure you can label Hackett as a run first OC given he has had to work with Blake Bortles or EJ Manuel as his QBs. If he were to run a pass first offense with Bortles or Manuel at QB, then I'd be worried. Besides, the Packers have been pass happy the last couple of years. How's that work out? They need to get back to a more balanced offense. And I don't think they are a RB challenged team. Jones and Williams will do very well in a balanced offense. I look forward to the pre-season games when we can see what sort of offense they actually roll out.

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1 hour ago, KingPrawn said:

I hate when people do this. Nobody is going to become the next Bill Bellichick. Not sure you can label Hackett as a run first OC given he has had to work with Blake Bortles or EJ Manuel as his QBs. If he were to run a pass first offense with Bortles or Manuel at QB, then I'd be worried. Besides, the Packers have been pass happy the last couple of years. How's that work out? They need to get back to a more balanced offense. And I don't think they are a RB challenged team. Jones and Williams will do very well in a balanced offense. I look forward to the pre-season games when we can see what sort of offense they actually roll out.

In addition...LaFleur is going to be the one calling things.  A guy who has learned from offenses in Atlanta and St. Louis (who passed the ball a decent amount while he was there I believe).

Its a wait and see hire...anyone proclaiming it great or terrible is trying to get reactions.

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3 hours ago, sho nuff said:

In addition...LaFleur is going to be the one calling things.  A guy who has learned from offenses in Atlanta and St. Louis (who passed the ball a decent amount while he was there I believe).

Its a wait and see hire...anyone proclaiming it great or terrible is trying to get reactions.

Agreed Hackett is going to be calling plays about as much as Clements and Philbin did under McCarthy. 

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Headaches aside...what do you give up to put Antonio Brown opposite Davante Adams in this offense?

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On 1/17/2019 at 1:53 PM, sho nuff said:

Headaches aside...what do you give up to put Antonio Brown opposite Davante Adams in this offense?

Nothing, if it were my decision.  I dont think the Packers should give up what Brown is going to cost.

 

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On 1/17/2019 at 7:53 AM, sho nuff said:

In addition...LaFleur is going to be the one calling things.  A guy who has learned from offenses in Atlanta and St. Louis (who passed the ball a decent amount while he was there I believe).

Its a wait and see hire...anyone proclaiming it great or terrible is trying to get reactions.

Redskins too. Everyone always writes Rams but most of these coaches discuss their time with the Redskins as formative

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18 minutes ago, Bri said:

Redskins too. Everyone always writes Rams but most of these coaches discuss their time with the Redskins as formative

Never underestimate the value of proximity to the perfect example of what not to do.

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On 1/16/2019 at 10:21 PM, Tanner9919 said:

terrible hire, Nat Hackett..just terrible..you have one of the greatest QB's ever and you want to give him a run-first OC? so, the Packers are a RB-challeged team, with a porous defense and lacking WR's not named Adams, an aging line, and you want to give Rodgers Mr Hackett..uggh...now you need to commit to the run which you're not capable of doing with the players currently on the roster. 

way to turn Rodgers in to a 17-24-224-1 QB..LOL

I'm sorry but hiring these script kiddies like Hackett and LeFleur is a recipe for disaster.  two nobodies who've done nothing on other teams won't suddenly flip the switch and become Bill Bellichick. 

 

I think the connection is interesting. LaFleur got advised by Mularkey at times this year and Hackett is a Marrone guy who is Mularkey's buddy. If I'm not mistaken, Marrone lives in TN too.

Packers DC Pettine was a coordinator under Marrone too IIRC.

I think the similarity lies in the KISS (Keep it simple st...) offense. Ignore the intracies and the Jags, Bills, and Rams (when LaFleur was there) had motion presnap to make these simple reads and then throw snap N throw passes. Goff stunk (at the time), Bortles had to be "rebuilt" and keeping it simple did a lot of good. Every team is a run first offense so...I don't get that comment, maybe run too often? Play action is so common now and it helps keep the QB upright too. But back to the simple offense. As you saw with the Jags two years ago and the Rams this year, once they nail a bunch of those quick short throws, suddenly the WRs can burn a D deep because the corners are creeping up too much. Bortles didn't have it in him and maybe it's also because the only burner he has is the one trick pony Moncrief. Goff looks sharp this year and the O is so much better. Burn em deep and then look at all the room the RB has on a simple screen the very next play. LaFleur and Hackett never really got either team to the proficiency or depth that the Rams did, but I'm sure they kept thinking how once the QB gets the hang of the short game, they can't wait to open it up. The Titans maybe did late. Henry was pounding the rock well and they got open deep several times. Maybe it's not so "they never got to that point" but almost didn't....either way, I like it and find it interesting.

If Adams runs a route with two cuts and catches a 14- yard pass, is that better than two snap N throws for 7? He's got some strength and breakaway to his game, maybe that 7 becomes more. And I like the Packers young WRs. They need time and are clearly up N down each week, but they flashed and that's usually a good sign.

I don't know their contract situations but they have a few TEs too. The Pack used to always have an excellent TE for FF. LaFleur had all these plans for Delanie dashed because he got injured, but he got a taste of what a special TE can bring. I would rather he didn't use the Titans scrub TEs so much but...maybe he's got all these ideas for Graham.

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1 minute ago, Arodin said:

Never underestimate the value of proximity to the perfect example of what not to do.

I feel like that's a breaking bad quote but...not sure

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Yesterday amplified my frustration with this years Packers.

Watching NE the last couple of weeks you see how they play.  Run the ball, short quick passes and Brady doesn’t get touched.  It’s what the Packers have done in the past...it’s what they did in the second half of the Bears game when Rodgers was hurt.  And for some of the Vikings game after that.  And then poof, that was gone.

Also watch those drives...3rd down and it’s still a quick pass on a slant to a WR who isn’t necessarily wide open.  Reminded me of the throw to Jennings late in the Super Bowl.  When was the last time Rodgers threw a ball like that? 

My other frustration...is damn thebOats and BB are just so damn good at getting everything out of guys.  They don’t have stars and studs on defense...but at the end of the year they always have guys making plays and making it hard on an offense.  Same on the O line...they dominated much of that game on both lines. 

Hipefully this change in coaching sparks some things.  I’m hopeful based on things I’ve read about Lafleur as far as being very smart. I’m hopeful he and Rodgers use that football IQ I think they both have...

But it’s definitely cautious optimism at this point.

Oline needs work...IMO that and pass rush are top top priority.

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12 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Yesterday amplified my frustration with this years Packers.

Watching NE the last couple of weeks you see how they play.  Run the ball, short quick passes and Brady doesn’t get touched.  It’s what the Packers have done in the past...it’s what they did in the second half of the Bears game when Rodgers was hurt.  And for some of the Vikings game after that.  And then poof, that was gone.

Also watch those drives...3rd down and it’s still a quick pass on a slant to a WR who isn’t necessarily wide open.  Reminded me of the throw to Jennings late in the Super Bowl.  When was the last time Rodgers threw a ball like that? 

My other frustration...is damn thebOats and BB are just so damn good at getting everything out of guys.  They don’t have stars and studs on defense...but at the end of the year they always have guys making plays and making it hard on an offense.  Same on the O line...they dominated much of that game on both lines. 

Hipefully this change in coaching sparks some things.  I’m hopeful based on things I’ve read about Lafleur as far as being very smart. I’m hopeful he and Rodgers use that football IQ I think they both have...

But it’s definitely cautious optimism at this point.

Oline needs work...IMO that and pass rush are top top priority.

Great post.

I was actually coming here to write something similar from a different perspective - that of KC.  Watching the Chiefs lose that game reminded me of days gone by when the Packers could score and score.....and not stop anyone else from scoring.....ever.  

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During the most brief announcement of Arthur Smith become the Titans new OC, it was brought to light that he was in charge of red zone offense and defense and called most of the plays for both units. That would bug me if I was a Packers fan because that means LaFleur didn't even do that

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3 hours ago, Bri said:

During the most brief announcement of Arthur Smith become the Titans new OC, it was brought to light that he was in charge of red zone offense and defense and called most of the plays for both units. That would bug me if I was a Packers fan because that means LaFleur didn't even do that

It was brought to light by who?  Someone selling the Art Smith hire?

I don't know if either are great choices or neither...time will tell.  But I take most things like that with a grain of salt as to what each did or didn't do.

The Packers will have LaFleur, with input from Rodgers and the OC...what he did in TN isn't really concerning me right now.

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