Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Again, it was just one game but as a blocker he looked a LOT better than Burton or Ertz when they were rookies here. If he continues to grow in that area he's going to force his way onto the field.
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TE Dallas Goedert, PHI (1 Viewer)
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Milkman
Footballguy
Unfortunately you don't get fantasy football points for blocking. It might hurt him being a good blocker like it hurts OJ Howard.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
True, you don't get points but you do get more field time. That's pretty much what I was getting at. We don't force feed anyone and him being on the field as a 4th or 5th option could lend itself to some big weeks earlier than expected. I agree with your overall assessment that with Ertz there it really hurts his value though, especially over the next couple years.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
From Highlights and Insights From Thursday’s NFL Week 1 Preseason Games
How much fun is Dallas Goedert going to be in this offense? The rookie caught four balls for 66 yards and a touchdown in the preseason opener. Doug Pederson talked about the pressure to replace someone as versatile as Trey Burton when in reality, you don’t. Goedert changes the parameters of Philadelphia’s offense, especially when he gets into the open field against linebackers in coverage. Watch his 26-yard catch against the Steelers and see the subtle way he influences two separate zone defenders to think he’s going in opposite directions. If he’s already there, what else can Pederson do with him? — CO
How much fun is Dallas Goedert going to be in this offense? The rookie caught four balls for 66 yards and a touchdown in the preseason opener. Doug Pederson talked about the pressure to replace someone as versatile as Trey Burton when in reality, you don’t. Goedert changes the parameters of Philadelphia’s offense, especially when he gets into the open field against linebackers in coverage. Watch his 26-yard catch against the Steelers and see the subtle way he influences two separate zone defenders to think he’s going in opposite directions. If he’s already there, what else can Pederson do with him? — CO
NeverEnough
Footballguy
If I get the chance, I think I'm still going Goedert over Gesicki & Hurst if all are available at my pick. Talent always wins out.Bigboy10182000 said:
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It's actually 4 years. Ertz contract runs through next 4 seasons, the entire length of Goedert's rookie contract so unless they cut or trade one of them they are together for 4 more years. Ertz base salary in 2021 will be a modest $8M, even at 31 years old that will likely look like a bargain in 4 years if he's anything close to the player he is now.NeverEnough said:
But as you said a lot of things can happen but getting past trying to predict the unpredictable you got to ask yourself if you think the Eagles would use a second round pick on a player with designs that he'll be a backup/redzone option the entire course of his rookie deal? Even on a team with no massive needs I just don't think so myself.
There are some attractive dual TE situations in the league right now but off top of my head only team I can recall having two attractive fantasy starting TE options on the same team was NE. Colts with Allen/Fleener are only team to have two TE's have 8 or more TD's in a year and both of them finished in top 15 in most formats but I mean more in line of top 10 TE's when I reference attractive starting TE's. I actually feel fairly strongly that Ertz and Goedert will be the next TE duo to have two from same team in top 10, not in 2018, but eventually. This is a good coaching staff and they'll figure out a way to maximize what they have.
Moonshine
Footballguy
"TE Dallas Goedert went inside with an apparent injury. Hasn't returned. TE Richard Rodgers appeared to get banged up. #Eagles"
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/1028299992518352898?s=09
Per twitter, multiple fans are saying they saw him leave practice with his arm in a cast/wrap, so speculation is running rampant.
Fire up your Ertz.
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane/status/1028299992518352898?s=09
Per twitter, multiple fans are saying they saw him leave practice with his arm in a cast/wrap, so speculation is running rampant.
Fire up your Ertz.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I also understand that Ertz is there but it’s not out of the question (yet anyway) that he just ends up better than Ertz after a year or two. The talent is there with him.
Moonshine
Footballguy
Edit: Fixed my bad link to tweet showing him standing at practice with no cast or wrap.
https://twitter.com/DZangaroNBCS/status/1028630035941535747?s=09
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Zyphros
Footballguy
I don't understand this type of thinking. OJ howard isn't hurt by being on the field more than other TE's.... Gronk is on the field a ton for blocking and nobody mentions that as a negative for him. He's on the field with chances to make plays, and he's a dynamic receiver why wouldn't you want that?
An offense calls a play with many different variables. One of those variables is the ability to "check" to a different play or "shift" someone into a pass protector. If they don't check/shift then that person has opportunity to get carries/receptions. The question is would you rather have a TE who is on the field all the time AND used a receiver or on the field half the time used as a receiver only. Give me the guy who plays more which will lead to more opportunity.
Milkman
Footballguy
It is really situationally dependent. The Gronk situation is different because Gronk is soooo much better than any other TE at running routes/ making catches so it's hard to justify taking him off the field. this Goedert situation could be like that if he's the next Gronk which I've compared Goedert with but I have come off that a bit. He's probably not that good.
This Goedert situation resembles more of the Antonio Gates/Ladarius Green situation. As Gates aged Green started to be a better receiving option but not enough to take him off of what he was great at.......Blocking. So since Green was twice the blocker Gates was but only a little better at receiving he was held into block while Gates ran routes. This was the best option for the Chargers to field the best team and it killed Green's fantasy value. Being a good blocker does not always equate to more opportunity.
The same thing is happening to OJ Howard right now.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Some sarcasm from training camp:
Benjamin Solak@BenjaminSolak
Dallas Goedert catching with both hands. His progress back from injury has really impressed me.
Benjamin Solak@BenjaminSolak
Dallas Goedert catching with both hands. His progress back from injury has really impressed me.
dhockster
Footballguy
I don't think any of the Eagles players are great picks for fantasy because no one is really an elite featured player. Whether it is Alshon/Wallace/Agholor/Ertz/Goedart/Ajayi/Clement/Sproles the Eagles spread the ball around and basically take what you give them. So they all may put up decent to pretty good numbers, but their week to week consistency is going to be up and down depending on how the other team's defense plays them. We all know how important consistency is in winning FF games. Obviously Wentz at QB could be elite, but there is uncertainty due to his coming back from his injury.
dhockster
Footballguy
As it relates to Goedart, I think he will be very good in helping the Eagles this season. As a FF option, I think he is mostly an emergency replacement that you hope has a good week the week you use him. I just don't see him getting consistently good numbers every week (because of the team he is on).
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I doubt anyone is drafting him in redraft. Maybe in 20 round TE premium leagues he'll be worth a flier late.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
I don't see that. I've read some red zone usage but i mean what are you thinking is a logical target ceiling for a rookie TE on a team with a star TE?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
And they like to run two TE sets. And Ertz, IMO, is solid but not great. There is room to leap past him. Probably takes a year or two. But I don't think it's crazy to think Goedert can finish between ~TE8 and TE16. There are about 20 guys who can. Why not him?
Milkman
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
It will be tough even if PHI runs the most 12 and 13 personnel sets in the league (they were close last year). The only team I think can support multiple TEs (both still won't be TE1s) is IND because a) they are truly devoid of pass catching talent and b) IND's defense looks so terrible that I'm fully expecting 600+ pass attempts from Luck this year.
What I do think is likely is that Goedert will be very startable (a la Burton) in a handful of games this year if Ertz is once again unable to play a full 16.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I'd use Ertz's rookie season as what Goedert will probably get. 450 yds, 4 TD's. Upside potential for more TD's, doubtful he gets more yards then that.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
For the price it's a reasonable risk. There are tons of other TEs that will also fail.
Milkman
Footballguy
I was going to say I like/agree with those numbers but don't agree with how you got there. So i looked back and saw Ertz's rookie year he was playing with an established vet named Brent Celek. Which would appear like a similar situation. I'd give Goedert a slightly higher ceiling in yards because I think he's better talent wise than Ertz but not much.......550 yards 6 TD max.
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
Right, that's exactly the rationale - situation almost identical. Celek was at the same age then Ertz is now. Ertz is probably better then Celek was at that age - but Celek was no slouch, and was the #1 TE for the first year or two of Ertz's time.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I don't think anyone expected him to go nuts in his 1st game ever
strong
Footballguy
when i saw that play in the endzone, i was shocked. "since when can ertz get up like that??"
then the showed a replay and i realized it was goedert... wow he looks gifted and they clearly know it. they drew that play up the first time they got down in the red zone.
i'd definitely keep my fingers crossed that he's quiet the next game and then buy buy buy.
then the showed a replay and i realized it was goedert... wow he looks gifted and they clearly know it. they drew that play up the first time they got down in the red zone.
i'd definitely keep my fingers crossed that he's quiet the next game and then buy buy buy.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
simey
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Goeddert is a special talent and the Eagles know it. I wouldn’t count on him as a weekly starter when Jeffrey is back, but he’s a great player to have on a dynasty roster
zamboni
Footballguy
Perhaps, but the problem is that Ertz is only 27 and signed through 2021, so Goeddert will have to wait his turn. Not exactly like Ertz himself waiting for Celek to get out of the way, but barring injury it may be awhile until we see what the rookie can truly do.
