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Workhorse said:
“The gays?”

What year is this?
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I understand you're post but I didn't read it like you 

I read The Gays like The Italians , The French , The English , The Catholics , The Mormons etc . Not The gays .I don't believe it was posted that way At least I hope not 

 
Max Power said:
It's just making kids participate in sports with the gender that was listed on their birth cert the day they were born. 
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This is definitely the right approach IMO.  In most of these gender-versus-sex questions, the answer is "gender."  Sports is a clear-cut exception.  

 
squistion said:
Mayor of London‏ @MayorofLondon Feb 16

Trans women are women.

Trans men are men.

Non-binary people are non-binary.

All gender identities are valid.

https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1229074066369327107

Have any politicians is this country made such a firm statement on trans equality?
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Elizabeth Warren promised to run her candidate for Secretary of Education past a random trans child before the senate gets a crack at the nominee.  Does that count?

 
Workhorse said:
Transgender people are not an “issue.”

HTH.
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No, society is.  Things have been separated into male and female categories for so long, that adding a third category or gray zone is going to take some time to adjust to.  Making blanket statements doesn't help this along.  

 
Max Power said:
No, society is.  Things have been separated into male and female categories for so long, that adding a third category or gray zone is going to take some time to adjust to.  Making blanket statements doesn't help this along.  
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How long would you like? And “society” changes one person at a time. How about YOU stop referring to trans people as an issue and work from there in your “adjustment.”  Just a suggestion.

 
Workhorse said:
How long would you like? And “society” changes one person at a time. How about YOU stop referring to trans people as an issue and work from there in your “adjustment.”  Just a suggestion.
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I never called transgendered people an issue.  I said the transgendered issue, which included the entire spectrum of what they are going through.  I'm sorry you took that as an attack on the transgendered community, that was not the case.  

Until people can have an open and honest discussion, I don't think we're going to see much progress as a society.  

 
Workhorse said:
How long would you like? And “society” changes one person at a time. How about YOU stop referring to trans people as an issue and work from there in your “adjustment.”  Just a suggestion.
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I don`t see it as an issue at all anymore.  The gays that I know have transitioned quite nicely. It is not even mentioned or discussed. Just business as usual.

 
Max Power said:
I never called transgendered people an issue.  I said the transgendered issue, which included the entire spectrum of what they are going through.  I'm sorry you took that as an attack on the transgendered community, that was not the case.  

Until people can have an open and honest discussion, I don't think we're going to see much progress as a society.  
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I think that if you replace "trangendered" in your sentence with other groups, you'd might come to a different conclusion.

"The Jewish issue."

"The African-American issue."

"The gay issue."

"The disabled issue."

Hell, you shouldn't really even say "transgendered" as a verb. Do we say "gayed" or "Latino'd?"

Words matter.

 
Workhorse said:
I think that if you replace "trangendered" in your sentence with other groups, you'd might come to a different conclusion.

"The Jewish issue."

"The African-American issue."

"The gay issue."

"The disabled issue."

Hell, you shouldn't really even say "transgendered" as a verb. Do we say "gayed" or "Latino'd?"

Words matter.
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Thanks for the feedback, I'll be more cognizant of that in the future.  

 
https://coloradosun.com/2020/02/22/pete-buttigieg-zachary-ro-coming-out/

9-year-old Colorado boy who asked for advice on coming out as gay from Pete Buttigieg: I’m “proud”

A 9-year-old Lone Tree boy who joined Pete Buttigieg on stage at a campaign rally in Aurora on Saturday night and who asked for advice on telling the world he is gay told The Colorado Sun he was proud to talk about his sexuality in front of thousands of people. 

Zachary Ro’s question came as the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, answered prompts from the audience at the Crowne Plaza hotel near Denver International Airport. 

“Thank you for being so brave,” Zachary asked in a question read by Colorado Secretary of State Jena Griswold. “Would you help me tell the world I’m gay, too? I want to be brave like you.” 

Buttigieg told the boy that coming out “won’t always be easy, but that’s OK.” Buttigieg said that it took him a long time to figure out how to even tell his closest friends that he is gay, let alone the world and that he was impressed by Zachary’s ability to be so open and honest with himself at such a young age. 

“I don’t think you need a lot of advice from me on bravery,” Buttigieg told Zachary on a stage in front of thousands of people. “You seem pretty strong.”

People in the audience chanted “love means love!” as the boy was whisked onto and off of the stage. 

“It was exciting, and I felt really happy,” Zachary said in an interview just after Buttigieg’s rally ended, flanked by his family. “I was glad I was able to tell everyone in the audience that I’m gay.”

Asked about how it felt to get advice from Buttigieg in front of thousands of people Zachary said he was “kind of nervous, excited, proud.”

Zachary said he didn’t come to the event planning to ask the question. It was a spur-of-the-moment thing written down on a piece of paper as he entered the rally Saturday night. Staffers were collecting them from attendees as they came into the venue.

[...]

 
Keira Bell of the United Kingdom told BBC News she was a tomboy as a child — and the sense she needed to transition to a male occurred gradually as she read about it online.

Bell soon sought the assistance of medicine at age 16, went to a clinic, and after three appointments lasting an hour each she was prescribed puberty blockers, the outlet said.

A year later Bell told the BBC she was prescribed the male hormone testosterone, which developed male characteristics like facial hair and a deep voice — and three years ago, she got her breasts removed.

"Initially I felt very relieved and happy about things," Bell told the outlet. "But I think as the years go on you start to feel less and less enthusiastic or even happy about things."

In the end, she decided to stop taking cross-sex hormones last year. Now at 23, Bell noted to the BBC that she accepts her sex as a female — but she's also angry about what happened to her.

'I should have been challenged'

"I was allowed to run with this idea that I had, almost like a fantasy, as a teenager," Bell told the outlet, adding that "it has affected me in the long run as an adult. I'm very young. I've only just stepped into adulthood, and I have to deal with this kind of burden or radical difference — in comparison to others at least."

More than that, she told the BBC that others should have pushed back against her decision.

"I should have been challenged on the proposals or the claims that I was making for myself," Bell told the outlet. "And I think that would have made a big difference as well. If I was just challenged on the things I was saying."

See you in court

Now Bell is taking legal action against the National Health Service gender clinic, and a judge cleared the way for a full hearing of the case against the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust, the BBC said.

Lawyers will argue that children cannot give informed consent to treatment delaying puberty or helping them to transition, the outlet added.

The clinic based in Hampstead, northwest London — which runs the UK's only gender-identity development service — told the BBC it welcomed an examination of the evidence. But former clinic staff at the clinic have said teens who want to change their genders are given puberty blockers without adequate assessment or psychological work, the outlet added.

Bell herself admitted to the BBC that when she went to clinic years ago, she would say "it was saving me from suicidal ideation and depression in general and at the time I felt it relieved all those mental health issues I was feeling, alongside gender dysphoria."

In addition, Bell told the outlet that if she had felt more accepted by society as a teen, she might not have wanted to change her gender — though she added she wouldn't have wanted to listen to challengers of her transgender desires.

"I feel I could say anything to my 16-year-old self, and I might not necessarily listen at that time," Bell added to the BBC. "And that's the point of this case, when you are that young you don't really want to listen. So I think it's up to these institutions, like the Tavistock, to step in and make children reconsider what they are saying, because it is a life-altering path."
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This could turn into an interesting case.  

 
Workhorse said:
I think that if you replace "trangendered" in your sentence with other groups, you'd might come to a different conclusion.

"The Jewish issue."

"The African-American issue."

"The gay issue."

"The disabled issue."

Hell, you shouldn't really even say "transgendered" as a verb. Do we say "gayed" or "Latino'd?"

Words matter.
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Except none of those groups would agree with you.  None of those groups would agree with you comparing them to transgenders.

I dare you going to a black neighborhood and declare that the transgendered struggle is the same as the African American struggle.

In my opinion, the transgendered issue is overblown.  Transgenders represent .000 04% of the population.  The left has given too much power to these miniscule professional grievance groups.

 
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BladeRunner said:
Except none of those groups would agree with you.  None of those groups would agree with you comparing them to transgenders.

I dare you going to a black neighborhood and declare that the transgendered struggle is the same as the African American struggle.

In my opinion, the transgendered issue is overblown.  Transgenders represent .000 04% of the population.  The left has given too much power to these miniscule professional grievance groups.
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Yeah, so I live in Atlanta and have a transgender daughter. I can tell you first hand that the African American community in my neighborhood are pretty supportive of my kid.

This isn’t a “grievance group”, it’s my life. It’s not an “issue”. It’s about basic respect.

 
Workhorse said:
Yeah, so I live in Atlanta and have a transgender daughter. I can tell you first hand that the African American community in my neighborhood are pretty supportive of my kid.

This isn’t a “grievance group”, it’s my life. It’s not an “issue”. It’s about basic respect.
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Did I say we shouldn't respect people?

The majority shouldn't conform to a miniscule minority but also should respect people.

 
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BladeRunner said:
Did I say we shouldn't respect people?

The majority shouldn't conform to a miniscule minority but also should respect people.
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That is the same argument that has been used against any and all LGBT+ rights since the 60s, which assumes that discrimination is somehow justified depending on size of the minority or the actual percentage of the population they represent. 

 
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squistion said:
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1271542795342245889

Breaking via WSJ:

The Trump admin has released a rule that would roll back Obama-era anti-discrimination protections for transgender patients under the Affordable Care Act.
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I honestly don't know who this benefits other than the insurance companies.  

I think 99% of physicians are good people.  100% want to get through their day without a huge scene or conflict.  I don't believe there's a massive number of physicians out there refusing to see patients for routine things due them being trans.  90% of health care or more aren't really gender specific.  Sure, gender has implications in many things.  But a bad gallbladder is the same across the board.  Pneumonia doesn't really care how you identify.  

A lot of physicians don't deal in hormone therapy.  I don't consider it refusing services to decline to start hormone therapy--especially if it's something a physician isn't comfortable with.  And I know someone will respond with the whole "Get comfortable, Trans patient's should be part of your training."  But primary care doctors aren't comfortable with several medications prescribed by specialists.  There are anti-arrhythmic drugs that Cardiologists prescribe.  There are anti-biological drugs that Rheumatology or GI or Dermatology prescribe.  

Most physicians WILL readily refer you to who the hell ever you want.  Because we just don't have time to argue.  There are always exceptions.  I'm sure there are some bad eggs out there.  But I don't believe there's some mass network of physicians waiting for all the Trans patients to fall over dead.  

Health care consumption is the lowest in my life time.  I think most physicians are desperate for business.  

 
squistion said:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1271542795342245889

Breaking via WSJ:

The Trump admin has released a rule that would roll back Obama-era anti-discrimination protections for transgender patients under the Affordable Care Act.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1271657352882601984

Biden:

"This action is unconscionable — and to do so during Pride Month, on the fourth anniversary of the deadly terrorist attack at the Pulse Nightclub ... Trump is more consumed with destroying the legacy of the Obama-Biden Admin than protecting the health care of millions."

 
Big news in a lot of ways and social conservatives, already distrustful of Roberts, are going to be very upset at Gorsuch. 

 
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