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Dynasty: Michael Gallup Puns Galore

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1 hour ago, BigTex said:

Gallup = Juju

He’s going to surprise everyone.

Tex

Guys like JuJu don't happen every season.  Gallup could also = Tajae

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2 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Guys like JuJu don't happen every season.  Gallup could also = Tajae

So could DJ Moore.

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6 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Guys like JuJu don't happen every season.  Gallup could also = Tajae

JuJu could also just be a product of the system. He's playing with Big Ben after all.

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13 minutes ago, the lone star said:

JuJu could also just be a product of the system. He's playing with Big Ben after all.

Of course, to a degree but that didn't seem to do much for Eli Rogers or Sammie Coates or DHB. If the talent isn't there the QB can only do so much, heck that's true even if the talent is there (see: Bryant, Martavis).

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15 hours ago, Slider said:

I like Gallup until I see who his QB is. 😲

2016 ROY, ran for his life last yr with oline issues. If the line is healthy this yr he'll be fine imo

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8 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

I'm not saying Gallup won't be a great draft pick, but in most leagues I had to decide between Gallup and Miller and chose the latter.  No way was I going to get both, so I ended up with Miller in several leagues and Gallup in none.  I hope that doesn't come back to bite me.

I did the same. Gallup has a great opportunity but he doesn't look like a dynamic playmaker.  He doesn't look like a guy who will ever be a WR1 but more of a complementary receiver.

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19 minutes ago, az_prof said:

I did the same. Gallup has a great opportunity but he doesn't look like a dynamic playmaker.  He doesn't look like a guy who will ever be a WR1 but more of a complementary receiver.

I don’t necessarily disagree with this, but is that saying that you see differently in Miller?

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21 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

I don’t necessarily disagree with this, but is that saying that you see differently in Miller?

Was gonna say the same. Only guy i see with potential #1 ability is Moore personally. Return yardage leagues i like Pettis as well. 

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3 minutes ago, fruity pebbles said:

Was gonna say the same. Only guy i see with potential #1 ability is Moore personally. Return yardage leagues i like Pettis as well. 

Sutton would be my pick, but I like Moore as well.

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You guys are missing the boat on this one.

Tex

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34 minutes ago, BigTex said:

You guys are missing the boat on this one.

Tex

Redraft?

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I loved the pick in round 3. Great value, IMO.

I'm leery of him ever being a #1, but Gallup has some upside.

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6 hours ago, Chaka said:

Redraft?

Dynasty 

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6 minutes ago, BigTex said:

Dynasty 

Tex

Has there been any news about Gallup, positive or other, coming out of mini camps?  Haven’t seen nor heard anything.

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21 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

2016 ROY, ran for his life last yr with oline issues. If the line is healthy this yr he'll be fine imo

Dak is the kind of QB who needs to have perfect conditions(WRs that are Dak friendly, top 5 o-line, elite RB playing) to be a respectable fantasy QB and I am not really into that 

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Q: Seems like from a sheer numbers standpoint, Michael Gallup may be the rookie who'll face the most pressure to produce in 2018. What are your statistical expectations for him?

Machota: Rookie receivers generally don't make a significant impact on the stat sheet in Year 1. If Dez Bryant was still on the roster, I wouldn't be expecting much production from Gallup this season. But since everything is so wide open at the position, I could see scenarios where Allen Hurns, Cole Beasley, Terrance Williams or Gallup are their leading receiver. Whoever it ends up being, I don't think it'll be 1,000 yards and 10 TDs. I think we're looking more at something like 800 yards and 6-8 TDs. I'll say Gallup finishes with around 450 yards and 4 touchdowns. Gallup did have the best grab during team drills last Wednesday. Working with the third team, he caught a nice deep ball over the shoulder from Mike White along the right sideline.

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2018/05/27/machota-biggest-unanswered-question-cowboys-setting-statistical-expectations-gallup

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14 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

Dak is the kind of QB who needs to have perfect conditions(WRs that are Dak friendly, top 5 o-line, elite RB playing) to be a respectable fantasy QB and I am not really into that 

With the exception of maybe 5 QBs doesn't that hold true for everyone?

23 passing TDs in 2016, 22 in 2017, 6 rushing TDs each season, 343 fewer passing yards, 75 more rushing yards. The only glaring difference is 9 more INTs but anyone who anticipated a career 0.9 INT% was delusional. If you want to hold onto a sub 1.5 INT% you end up with Alex Smith.

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2 hours ago, zeeshan2 said:

Dak is the kind of QB who needs to have perfect conditions(WRs that are Dak friendly, top 5 o-line, elite RB playing) to be a respectable fantasy QB and I am not really into that 

This is such lazy analysis. If you’re just going to reverberate the same crap that anonymous media personalities are going to spew than you might as well not even post this drivel.

The kid lost three of hist starting five offensive linemen, a top three runningback and his receivers dropped numerous passes, at least four of which turned into pick sixes and you want to blame this guy and say he has to have the perfect surrounding cast? SMH, lazy, just lazy.

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9 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

This is such lazy analysis. If you’re just going to reverberate the same crap that anonymous media personalities are going to spew than you might as well not even post this drivel.

The kid lost three of hist starting five offensive linemen, a top three runningback and his receivers dropped numerous passes, at least four of which turned into pick sixes and you want to blame this guy and say he has to have the perfect surrounding cast? SMH, lazy, just lazy.

Not really. I saw the same thing. He didn't step up one bit when he lost any of that. He folded. You're making excuses.

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4 minutes ago, Slider said:

Not really. I saw the same thing. He didn't step up one bit when he lost any of that. He folded. You're making excuses.

 Chaka already stated his statistical Numbers last seasonwhich wasn’t horrific for a second your QB with no offense oline and by all accounts, the no receivers. 

You can’t post statistics because they don’t favor your argument. Through two years he has one of the best statistical outputs of any player who’s ever played in this league.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be  set testicle powerhouse like a Aaron Rodgers but the guy is and will continue to be a winner.

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20 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

This is such lazy analysis. If you’re just going to reverberate the same crap that anonymous media personalities are going to spew than you might as well not even post this drivel.

The kid lost three of hist starting five offensive linemen, a top three runningback and his receivers dropped numerous passes, at least four of which turned into pick sixes and you want to blame this guy and say he has to have the perfect surrounding cast? SMH, lazy, just lazy.

It's not just me; it's multiple Dallas radio stations, including the one that is the home of the Cowboys. He was awful last year; so much so that the Dallas offense didn't crack 10 points for 3 straight games, which was a franchise record. That same offense the year before produced for him so I don't understand where the hate is coming from. 6 of his last 8 games were under 200 yards passing. Just read this article and tell me what you think: 

 

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/2/18/17023746/who-is-the-real-dak-prescott

 

Add up a harder schedule, a vanilla offense with a HC that is predictable and doesn't respond to change quickly(see the ATL game) and pretty much all new recievers and new TE's and I am not sure how he gets back to his rookie year numbers. 

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10 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

It's not just me; it's multiple Dallas radio stations, including the one that is the home of the Cowboys. He was awful last year; so much so that the Dallas offense didn't crack 10 points for 3 straight games, which was a franchise record. That same offense the year before produced for him so I don't understand where the hate is coming from. Just read this article and tell me what you think: 

 

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/2/18/17023746/who-is-the-real-dak-prescott

I’ve read that. Do you have anything else to offer or are you just going to stand behind what A blogger wrote? 

Also, I’m not sure which station you’re listening to because none of the guys that I listen to say these things. 

Since you like random bloggers, here read this article

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7 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

I’ve read that. Do you have anything else to offer or are you just going to stand behind what A blogger wrote? 

Also, I’m not sure which station you’re listening to because none of the guys that I listen to say these things. There are some Also, I’m not sure which station you’re listening to because none of the guys that I listen to say these things. There are some people who are Romo lovers and don’t like deck. who are Romo lovers and don’t like deck.

Since you like random bloggers, here read this article

I shouldn't use facts and stats to argue my point? Silly me. I mean the guy isn't a random blogger; he runs the Dallas Cowboys SBnation blog. The radio station I am alluding to is 105.3 the Fan in Dallas, which is where I live. I can clearly see you are a Dak-head so any slander of your boy is going to get called out. 

 

From that article you posted(by the way, that chart has the likes of McCown, Tannehill, and Tyrod Taylor in front of Dak, LOL): 

 

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What if we take the skeptic’s view?: As I mentioned above, skeptics tend to set 2016 aside when evaluating Dak. And they believe 2017 reflects the greater trend of Dak’s football experience as it played out so exactly to his rookie draft report. If we apply this same analysis just to 2017, we get 5 games (as OCC mentioned), a 4-1 record, and a 31.25% of games with a 100+ QB RTG. Those 5 games came against a listing Cardinal’s team, a Packer defense that was so crippled in the secondary they spent their first two draft picks on CBs, the atrocious 49’er team that didn’t have Jimmy G yet, a solid Chiefs team that was, nevertheless, in the midst of a 1-6 run, and a Giants squad that had imploded. There’s some obvious reasons to believe competition level played a role in all of these games. Against outmanned teams, the entire Dallas scheme gets going, which means Dak gets going.

And I think that’s the trend we are seeing….when Dallas’ offense is performing well, then Dak performs well. But it doesn’t seem to work the other way. I don’t see Dak lifting the rest of the team through his performance. Nor do I think we should expect this of him. Dak’s strength is leadership. If the rest of the team can do its job, it seems to allow him to be a force multiplier. But if you need him to be the catalyst, the thing that breaks a defense and forces them to adjust, I think you’re up the creek without a paddle. I see a +Game Manager at best here, not an elite QB on the verge of cracking Top Three in the League. And I also believes tha tmatches the on field results.

 

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20 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

 Chaka already stated his statistical Numbers last seasonwhich wasn’t horrific for a second your QB with no offense oline and by all accounts, the no receivers. 

You can’t post statistics because they don’t favor your argument. Through two years he has one of the best statistical outputs of any player who’s ever played in this league.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be  set testicle powerhouse like a Aaron Rodgers but the guy is and will continue to be a winner.

To be fair he had a mediocre year in 2017. But his fantasy output, which @zeeshan2 was referring to, was very close to what he did in 2016.  The INTs were the only major difference between year one and year 2 from a fantasy perspective.

From an NFL perspective he was down in other key metrics, particularly yards per attempt which dropped precipitously from 8.6 Y/A to 6.5 Y/A which is a drop from uber elite to mediocre.  However I don't know many fantasy leagues that award QBs points based upon Y/A

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3 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

I shouldn't use facts and stats to argue my point? Silly me. I mean the guy isn't a random blogger; he runs the Dallas Cowboys SBnation blog. The radio station I am alluding to is 105.3 the Fan in Dallas, which is where I live. I can clearly see you are a Dak-head so any slander of your boy is going to get called out. 

 

From that article you posted: 

 

 

He isn’t a blogger, but he’s the head blogger. Lol, OK.

The kid is going into his third year and you guys are ready to write the narrative on him. Well some of you who can’t think for yourselves may not, others just reverberate things they’ve heard on local sports radio and blogs.

 

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Just now, Chaka said:

To be fair he had a mediocre year in 2017. But his fantasy output, which @zeeshan2 was referring to, was very close to what he did in 2016.  The INTs were the only major difference between year one and year 2 from a fantasy perspective.

From an NFL perspective he was down in other key metrics, particularly yards per attempt which dropped precipitously from 8.6 Y/A to 6.5 Y/A which is a drop from uber elite to mediocre.  However I don't know many fantasy leagues that award QBs points based upon Y/A

The kid had a down year but there are a lot of reasons for it. Nobody wants to hear it and we will just have to wait and see after this season.

 

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27 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

It's not just me; it's multiple Dallas radio stations, including the one that is the home of the Cowboys. He was awful last year; so much so that the Dallas offense didn't crack 10 points for 3 straight games, which was a franchise record. That same offense the year before produced for him so I don't understand where the hate is coming from. 6 of his last 8 games were under 200 yards passing. Just read this article and tell me what you think: 

 

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2018/2/18/17023746/who-is-the-real-dak-prescott

 

Add up a harder schedule, a vanilla offense with a HC that is predictable and doesn't respond to change quickly(see the ATL game) and pretty much all new recievers and new TE's and I am not sure how he gets back to his rookie year numbers. 

It's not hate at all but it's also not what you originally said. Your original post specifically stated "fantasy" production and from a fantasy perspective there was only a minor drop-off from 2016 to 2017.  Your analysis was lazy because, if I am reading you correctly, you did not make the distinction in your mind between fantasy production and NFL production, and yes there is a huge difference between the two.

Now you have moved the goal post and want it to be about NFL production, which is fine and I absolutely agree that he was not good from an NFL perspective in 2017. Just try to be a little more clear about the point you are trying to make in the future.

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Just now, Chaka said:

It's not hate at all but it's also not what you originally said. Your original post specifically stated "fantasy" production and from a fantasy perspective there was only a minor drop-off from 2016 to 2017.  Your analysis was lazy because, if I am reading you correctly, you did not make the distinction in your mind between fantasy production and NFL production, and yes there is a huge difference between the two.

Now you have moved the goal post and want it to be about NFL production, which is fine and I absolutely agree that he was not good from an NFL perspective in 2017. Just try to be a little more clear about the point you are trying to make in the future.

I didn't mean fantasy production but real life production. I am not sure why you would get fantasy numbers when I mentioned that this is a make or break year for him. Dak will get fantasy points because of his legs, I know that. As far as being an effective QB and leading the Cowboy offense, I think his cast like I mentioned above is the main factor if he will do well or not, which is debatable. 

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1 minute ago, zeeshan2 said:

I didn't mean fantasy production but real life production. I am not sure why you would get fantasy numbers when I mentioned that this is a make or break year for him. Dak will get fantasy points because of his legs, I know that. As far as being an effective QB and leading the Cowboy offense, I think his cast like I mentioned above is the main factor if he will do well or not, which is debatable. 

Who are all these quarterbacks not named Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady who can carry a team by themselves?

 

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8 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

I am not sure why you would get fantasy numbers when I mentioned that this is a make or break year for him.

This is why.

3 hours ago, zeeshan2 said:

Dak is the kind of QB who needs to have perfect conditions(WRs that are Dak friendly, top 5 o-line, elite RB playing) to be a respectable fantasy QB and I am not really into that 

This is the post that both @STEADYMOBBIN 22 and I were responding to and you have since moved the goal posts, which is fine but I don't think you will find many people arguing that Dak didn't decline as an NFL QB from 2016 to 2017.

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1 minute ago, Chaka said:

This is why.

This is the post that both @STEADYMOBBIN 22 and I were responding to and you have since moved the goal posts, which is fine but I don't think you will find many people arguing that Dak didn't decline as an NFL QB from 2016 to 2017.

Well crap, I didn't mean the fantasy part. I meant real life. I apologize for my mistake

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7 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

Who are all these quarterbacks not named Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady who can carry a team by themselves?

 

Russell Wilson to name another one? 

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11 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

I didn't mean fantasy production but real life production. I am not sure why you would get fantasy numbers when I mentioned that this is a make or break year for him. Dak will get fantasy points because of his legs, I know that. As far as being an effective QB and leading the Cowboy offense, I think his cast like I mentioned above is the main factor if he will do well or not, which is debatable. 

Dak isn't just a mobile QB, I think that is also a tad lazy analysis IMO.  He is a 65% passer in two seasons which is very darn impressive for seasoned veterans let alone a second year player, and it's not just dink and dunk safe stuff either.  He is closer to Aaron Rodgers than Cam Newton at this point. NO, I am not saying he is as good as Aaron Rodgers just that he has dangerous mobility AND dangerous accuracy like Aaron Rodgers. He puts pressure on defenses in many ways.

As far as his supporting cast, you are absolutely correct.  However I already pointed out that you can say that same thing about virtually every other QB in the league. There are maybe five exceptions and while they might get numbers they won't win games without help. So why is Dak being held to a different standard?

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3 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

Well crap, I didn't mean the fantasy part. I meant real life. I apologize for my mistake

No worries, that became clear as the conversation progressed.

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4 minutes ago, zeeshan2 said:

Russell Wilson to name another one? 

Career 64% passer, 7.2 Y/A and went 9-7 in 2017.

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1 minute ago, Chaka said:

Dak isn't just a mobile QB, I think that is also a tad lazy analysis IMO.  He is a 65% passer in two seasons which is very darn impressive for seasoned veterans let alone a second year player, and it's not just dink and dunk safe stuff either.  He is closer to Aaron Rodgers than Cam Newton at this point. NO, I am not saying he is as good as Aaron Rodgers just that he has dangerous mobility AND dangerous accuracy like Aaron Rodgers. He puts pressure on defenses in many ways.

As far as his supporting cast, you are absolutely correct.  However I already pointed out that you can say that same thing about virtually every other QB in the league. There are maybe five exceptions and while they might get numbers they won't win games without help. So why is Dak being held to a different standard?

just my two cents, but i think a large part of it is not the statistics, but just how he looked over the second half of the season.  people always talk about passing the eye test, well he did the exact opposite.  he looked really bad to completely awful, and totally lost at times. 

everyone talks about losing his oline and zeke, and obviously that is going to hurt, but if he struggled while looking the part i think things would be different

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9 minutes ago, Skeletore Eh said:

just my two cents, but i think a large part of it is not the statistics, but just how he looked over the second half of the season.  people always talk about passing the eye test, well he did the exact opposite.  he looked really bad to completely awful, and totally lost at times. 

everyone talks about losing his oline and zeke, and obviously that is going to hurt, but if he struggled while looking the part i think things would be different

I barely trust my own interpretation of what I see on the field let alone anyone else's.

As has been pointed out repeatedly over the years; Unless you are a coach on the team in question no amount of film study will tell you what the players should have done on any given play.

ETA: Actually I don't even trust my own interpretation I just have nothing else to go on.

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10 minutes ago, Chaka said:

I barely trust my own interpretation of what I see on the field let alone anyone else's.

As has been pointed out repeatedly over the years; Unless you are a coach on the team in question no amount of film study will tell you what the players should have done on any given play.

ETA: Actually I don't even trust my own interpretation I just have nothing else to go on.

so i guess we should't even bother to watch the games? 

not saying i'm an nfl scout, but i've watched enough football to recognize when a qb looks lost/bad

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5 hours ago, Chaka said:

Dak isn't just a mobile QB, I think that is also a tad lazy analysis IMO.  He is a 65% passer in two seasons which is very darn impressive for seasoned veterans let alone a second year player, and it's not just dink and dunk safe stuff either.  He is closer to Aaron Rodgers than Cam Newton at this point. NO, I am not saying he is as good as Aaron Rodgers just that he has dangerous mobility AND dangerous accuracy like Aaron Rodgers. He puts pressure on defenses in many ways.

As far as his supporting cast, you are absolutely correct.  However I already pointed out that you can say that same thing about virtually every other QB in the league. There are maybe five exceptions and while they might get numbers they won't win games without help. So why is Dak being held to a different standard?

 

5 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

just my two cents, but i think a large part of it is not the statistics, but just how he looked over the second half of the season.  people always talk about passing the eye test, well he did the exact opposite.  he looked really bad to completely awful, and totally lost at times. 

everyone talks about losing his oline and zeke, and obviously that is going to hurt, but if he struggled while looking the part i think things would be different

 

4 hours ago, Chaka said:

I barely trust my own interpretation of what I see on the field let alone anyone else's.

As has been pointed out repeatedly over the years; Unless you are a coach on the team in question no amount of film study will tell you what the players should have done on any given play.

ETA: Actually I don't even trust my own interpretation I just have nothing else to go on.

 

4 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

so i guess we should't even bother to watch the games? 

not saying i'm an nfl scout, but i've watched enough football to recognize when a qb looks lost/bad

You don’t have to watch the games but if you look at the box score you’ll see that Prescott was sacked 32 times last season. 22 times in the last eight games. 

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5 hours ago, Skeletore Eh said:

so i guess we should't even bother to watch the games? 

not saying i'm an nfl scout, but i've watched enough football to recognize when a qb looks lost/bad in my opinion.

FYP

I watch games to be entertained YMMV.

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