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WR James Washington, NO Saints (1 Viewer)
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scott46984
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I like Dionte Johnson more going forward for Pitt WR opposite JuJu
The Frankman
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What he said, way back in October 2019. I really think this isn't as much one versus the other but that the Steelers should use a 3WR set.
IMO Washington has always been a WR that works n works to get open. He's different, more slot type WR.
I think the Steelers, and maybe their fans, have been spoiled by Juju and Antonio able to do anything and everything well including a role for a play. If we put Diontae or Washington on another team, this would be obvious.
Ben needs to go back to being wise and the OC needs to call plays to let him be that. Ya gotta burn some short ones, run it some and establish the short game to pull off the deep passes Ben loves. That's when Ben and the Steelers look best and it's been a while since I've seen greatness from Ben.
Like every team that he leaves, the Steelers were OMG where's Munchak? last year. As long as their line settles down (and it should) then they have a real good chance to be far improved in 2020.
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BassNBrew
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ffmail4me
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That is very true. He was a throw in a trade I did over 2 months ago when I gave Jeudy up for Etienne and Washington. Hard to beat Washington as my #9 WR.
JohnnyU
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I would rather roster a RB dart throw. If it doesn't work out then nothing lost. One thing people fail to take into account is that when another team is rostering someone like Washington it is a win for other teams. Roster spots have value.
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ffmail4me
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Here is my roster, 12 team league, I think I'm doing okay.
Mahomes, Mac Jones, Daniel Jones
Chubb, Dobbins, Etienne, Akers, Pollard, Henderson, Edmonds
Hill, Hopkins, McLaurin, Evans, Dotson, Peirce, Hardman, Peoples-Jones, Washington
Kelce, Engram, McBride
Dr. Octopus
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Well, unless he turns out to be a useful asset then that’s not a waste of a roster spot.
MAC_32
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How many 26 year olds with one of four healthy seasons > 400 yards become useful?
rockaction
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Not many. Stats aren't on his side at all. But he got caught in Steelers' numbers at WR and a declining Roethlisberger. There's a real chance he does hit the five-year breakout that sometimes comes into play with these guys that get out of their first first contract with a particular team. There's also a real chance he doesn't come close to breaking out and is James Washington, good NFL player, bad fantasy asset.
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MAC_32
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Even if the situation breaks well he doesn't have the skill set to be > a role player. It's a high point per play role, but volume will suppress the top end of his range of potential outcomes. Unless your league starts 6 or so wr I think those types are roster cloggers.
rockaction
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Yeah, there are big leagues where he might be useful if things break right. My league is one of those leagues unless you're flush at RB or TE, which only about six teams are. We start 4/5 WRs on the reg.
Dr. Octopus
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I’m not sure and not willing to do the research but he went from being buried behind very good WRs in Pitt and with a QB that couldn’t throw deep to starting the season as the No. 2 WR in a very good to great passing attack. I always thought he looked good when used in Pitt - obviously it’s far from a lock but your numbers ignore a lot of factors.
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MAC_32
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Oh, there's always more to any good analysis beyond just the raw numbers, but there is literally nothing else to grasp onto with Washington beyond situation. He came into the league as a threatening deep target that tracks the ball real well, but was lacking in all other areas. He's not tangibly different today than he was then. Had he done so then there was a place for him in the horizontal Pittsburgh offense, but he quite simply didn't develop. This is why when opportunity arose the Steelers opted to get Ray-Ray McCloud of all people involved more instead of Washington. His one trick has a place in the NFL, but in our game? Not so much. That's why he got the same contract as Rashard Higgins, Laquon Treadwell, Demarcus Robinson, etc. He's not a #2 WR; he's a role player.
I was high on him as a prospect, but It's time to move on.
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
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I think he's a good later round Best Ball guy for the early part of the season or if injuries hit.
I don't see Washington as a deep threat. I remember him in college. He was more like Welker or Edelman or Landry or.....has this iddly great knack for getting open in the slot (or crossing) and teams would try to jump that so he'd make one turn and have a deep ball.
There's some credence to Pittsburgh's WR coach isn't as good as advertised. Aside from Diontae, everyone only flashes and that's really using your god given talent and not coaching. They've had quite the stable of potential gems the last ten years and one could also argue we overrated them and the WR coach made the best of it.
Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph were fine college QBs. Dobbs had this fire I loved and thought he'd be a great reliever in the NFL. Why are we so sure Pickett is going to be good and developed well?
It also reads like Ben was such a character that all his attention he needed could have gotten in the way of development.
Pittsburgh wins and I couldn't love their head coach any more than I do and their defensive staff as well.
Did I mention how many RBs we've seen since Bell? Najee seems to have shut that down by walking on and rocking from day one but think about between Bell and he.
The way these positions are all the same with questionable development, it makes me figure it's a system problem.
Washington has discussed getting all the attention then feeling forgotten and then all the attention. That makes me pause too. Do they give backups enough reps?
Anywho, some have written that Washingont is going to play outside and supplant Gallup. Ummm no chance in H.
Gallup is a good player (overcoming injury) and the Boys really felt like CeeDee and him would benefit from Amari being gone. Not rude, just true.
The Boys have had a year where they had so many OL play due to injury (20?) but otherwise Dak has been so fortunate to play behind a solid OL that gives him time. They've taken some hits in free agency and the radio people are into this concept of quick passes that apparently they're incorporating this year. Both Washington and the TE should benefit.
They've also liked a few decent slot WRs over the years like Wilson.
CeeDee is the star and the table is set for him but he's gonna get a lot of attention so they're planning.
Most people are not taking in that they were absolutely stacked at WR and now they're kind of typical for the NFL. Predict some common stats for everyone including Washington and if you're gonna go overboard let it be with the guy that had two almost three QBs look so good throwing to him that they won the Heisman.
There's some credence to Pittsburgh's WR coach isn't as good as advertised. Aside from Diontae, everyone only flashes and that's really using your god given talent and not coaching. They've had quite the stable of potential gems the last ten years and one could also argue we overrated them and the WR coach made the best of it.
Landry Jones and Mason Rudolph were fine college QBs. Dobbs had this fire I loved and thought he'd be a great reliever in the NFL. Why are we so sure Pickett is going to be good and developed well?
It also reads like Ben was such a character that all his attention he needed could have gotten in the way of development.
Pittsburgh wins and I couldn't love their head coach any more than I do and their defensive staff as well.
Did I mention how many RBs we've seen since Bell? Najee seems to have shut that down by walking on and rocking from day one but think about between Bell and he.
The way these positions are all the same with questionable development, it makes me figure it's a system problem.
Washington has discussed getting all the attention then feeling forgotten and then all the attention. That makes me pause too. Do they give backups enough reps?
Anywho, some have written that Washingont is going to play outside and supplant Gallup. Ummm no chance in H.
Gallup is a good player (overcoming injury) and the Boys really felt like CeeDee and him would benefit from Amari being gone. Not rude, just true.
The Boys have had a year where they had so many OL play due to injury (20?) but otherwise Dak has been so fortunate to play behind a solid OL that gives him time. They've taken some hits in free agency and the radio people are into this concept of quick passes that apparently they're incorporating this year. Both Washington and the TE should benefit.
They've also liked a few decent slot WRs over the years like Wilson.
CeeDee is the star and the table is set for him but he's gonna get a lot of attention so they're planning.
Most people are not taking in that they were absolutely stacked at WR and now they're kind of typical for the NFL. Predict some common stats for everyone including Washington and if you're gonna go overboard let it be with the guy that had two almost three QBs look so good throwing to him that they won the Heisman.
It's one sets up the other.JohnnyU said:
I wasn't all that impressed with the deep game because the CBs jumped his route and he had it easy from that point of the play on. I felt like everyone praising his deep skill missed that.
He's great at boxing out and has some Welker to his game. Once he's had the slot over the middle catch; then he runs the same route but he's got a nice smooth fake to turn it deep.
On the senior bowl recap show they were talking of a corner lining up inside and how he took big strides to get open deep. Since when do CBs line up there? That has to be to take away the Welker ability so he toasted them deep.
He was really savvy.
Kendall Wright was half similar and had a real difficult time not having freedom in the NFL. He caught a few deep balls for the Titans and you couldn't miss the OC as the only one not cheering.
Wright would have had a chance to do this (if he was bigger and could block) in the Titans 2 and 3 TE set but he'd always play with too many targets on the field where if he adlibs/reads the defender then he's probably getting in someone else's space.
I must have seen Washington near the Steelers TE forty times. There's no way their offense was scripted to have their routes end in the same place.
If what's his name is out to start the season, the Cowboys should be able to let him play outside and give him some freedom but it reverts back to can he block for the run game or do they want a bigger WR there?
JohnnyU
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I can’t see a situation where he’s playable, even wi byes
He reduces the value of Schultz a little.
JohnnyU
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I disagree
