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Morrissey's Political Hot Takes (1 Viewer)
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squistion
Footballguy
No, you're not as, proven by your numerous references in this forum to undocumented Hispanics (including in this thread) as bad hombres and banditos. No one who is socially liberal would use such pejorative, bigoted and arguably racist terms.
And you have been one of the biggest Trump supporters on this board. How many of them would ever describe themselves as socially liberal? Please.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Don’t pigeonhole me into a box. I’m very socially liberal and maybe more than you.
BAD HOMBRES does refer to illegals but it has nothing to do with Hispanics. A Hispanic can definitely be a BAD HOMBRE but so can a Latvian or a Greek or a Korean. A BAD HOMBRE could be a Canadian just as well as a Mexican .
squistion
Footballguy
As far as your use of the pejorative term, bad hombre, that you claim has nothing to do with Hispanics, from the Urban Dictionary;
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bad hombre
Top definition
bad hombre
Derogatory term directed at Hispanics.
~Offensive phrase; equivalent to honky, cracker or redneck.
HellToupee
Footballguy
hom·bre
ˈämbrā,ˈōmbrā/
noun
NORTH AMERICAN informal
a man, especially one of a particular type.
"the Raiders quarterback is one tough hombre"
BAD HOMBRE AND VERY BAD HOMBRE = bad man and very bad man
hth
HellToupee
Footballguy
Hombre is a novel by American author Elmore Leonard, published in 1961. It was adapted into a film in 1967. It tells the story of an Apache man, John Russell, who leads the passengers of an attacked stagecoach through the desert to safety.
The novel was critically acclaimed upon release, and continues to be regarded to the modern day as a classic of the western genre.[1] It was released as a film six years after its publication.[2]
The novel was critically acclaimed upon release, and continues to be regarded to the modern day as a classic of the western genre.[1] It was released as a film six years after its publication.[2]
HellToupee
Footballguy
Heads up for spoilers folks....
Hombre
Roger EbertApril 21, 1967
Ah, yes, we know the characters well from a thousand other Westerns. It's fun to check them off: The good but indecisive Mexican, the decisive but bad Mexican, the thieving Indian agent, his cultured wife, the desperado, the lady boarding house operator with a heart of gold, and the Kid. Every Western has a Kid, who is always called the Kid, although in "Hombre" someone finally gets around to asking his last name.
By now we know the role Paul Newman will play, too, since he's Hombre and that means he's in the tradition of Hud, the Hustler and Harper. He'll be taciturn and alienated and tough, but victimized by a lot of wishy-washy liberals.
Just because the ingredients are familiar, however, doesn't mean "Hombre" isn't an absorbing, suspenseful film. Indeed, Hollywood seems at its best when it returns to its traditions, and nothing is more Hollywood than the big, socially significant Western. All directors do one to prove they haven't sold out.
Last year, Richard Brooks' "The Professionals" was the best-directed film out of Hollywood, and this year it looks as if the honors may rest with Martin Ritt and "Hombre."
Newman plays a white man who was raised by Apaches and chooses to cast his lot with them. Because he inherits a boarding house, however, he goes into town and gets tangled up with a lot of people whose lives aren't as simple as the one he led in the mountains.
Eventually they all set out in a stagecoach and are held up by bandits. Newman helps them survive pretty well until the bandits think up a good Moral Dilemma. The Indian agent's cultured wife will die of thirst if Newman doesn't hand over the money the Indian agent stole from the Apaches. Ah! Naturally, Newman falls for it. He ought to take a good course in ethics if he's going to be in many more of these.
The performances are uniformly excellent. Three particularly pleasing ones, however, were from Diane Cilento (Mrs. Sean Connery), the boarding house operator who talks Hombre into his ethical heroics; Richard Boone as the villainous Cicero Grimes, and Martin Balsam, as the good Mexican. Ritt directs with a steady hand, and the dialog by Irving Ravetch and Harriet Flank bears listening to. It's intelligent, and has a certain grace as well.
Hombre
Roger EbertApril 21, 1967
Ah, yes, we know the characters well from a thousand other Westerns. It's fun to check them off: The good but indecisive Mexican, the decisive but bad Mexican, the thieving Indian agent, his cultured wife, the desperado, the lady boarding house operator with a heart of gold, and the Kid. Every Western has a Kid, who is always called the Kid, although in "Hombre" someone finally gets around to asking his last name.
By now we know the role Paul Newman will play, too, since he's Hombre and that means he's in the tradition of Hud, the Hustler and Harper. He'll be taciturn and alienated and tough, but victimized by a lot of wishy-washy liberals.
Just because the ingredients are familiar, however, doesn't mean "Hombre" isn't an absorbing, suspenseful film. Indeed, Hollywood seems at its best when it returns to its traditions, and nothing is more Hollywood than the big, socially significant Western. All directors do one to prove they haven't sold out.
Last year, Richard Brooks' "The Professionals" was the best-directed film out of Hollywood, and this year it looks as if the honors may rest with Martin Ritt and "Hombre."
Newman plays a white man who was raised by Apaches and chooses to cast his lot with them. Because he inherits a boarding house, however, he goes into town and gets tangled up with a lot of people whose lives aren't as simple as the one he led in the mountains.
Eventually they all set out in a stagecoach and are held up by bandits. Newman helps them survive pretty well until the bandits think up a good Moral Dilemma. The Indian agent's cultured wife will die of thirst if Newman doesn't hand over the money the Indian agent stole from the Apaches. Ah! Naturally, Newman falls for it. He ought to take a good course in ethics if he's going to be in many more of these.
The performances are uniformly excellent. Three particularly pleasing ones, however, were from Diane Cilento (Mrs. Sean Connery), the boarding house operator who talks Hombre into his ethical heroics; Richard Boone as the villainous Cicero Grimes, and Martin Balsam, as the good Mexican. Ritt directs with a steady hand, and the dialog by Irving Ravetch and Harriet Flank bears listening to. It's intelligent, and has a certain grace as well.
squistion
Footballguy
So the Urban Dictionary is wrong about it being a derogatory term for Hispanics, but you are right pointing to a standard dictionary definition in which the context for using hombre or bad hombre does not specifically concern Hispanics?
hom·bre - noun
NORTH AMERICAN informal
You are being embarrassingly disingenuous, but I doubt that surprises anyone in this forum
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squistion
Footballguy
Your proof is how a word was used 57 years ago in 1961? Yes, that is really persuasive...
Fun fact: Like hombre, the word gay also had just one generally recognized meaning in 1961. If a book written at that time called a character A gay young man, readers would have thought that meant he was happy, or light-hearted and carefree - not that he was homosexual.
You are really grasping at straws here and making yourself look worse, if that is possible.
HellToupee
Footballguy
You want the definition of say blumpkin, you head to the urban dictionary otherwise stick to one of the normal dictionaries
HellToupee
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Lack of vocal ability? You really must be confusing Morissey with Robert Smith again. Or maybe you're a poor judge of "vocal ability".
Ah, yes. Lou Reed. Because your discerning musical pallet can only bear top-shelf vocal abilities.
squistion
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Settle down hombres
timschochet
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I like all music and went in with an open mind....I actually starting laughing a few times because it did not seem real.This guy gets it.
drpill
Footballguy
Honestly, solo Morrissey is not my thing either. The Smiths were the real deal, though. It's 75% Johnny Marr's amazing guitar work, but Morrissey's lyrics and vocals are definitely part of the appeal. Certainly not for all tastes but they are one of the most important bands in the history of rock music for a reason.
squistion
Footballguy
That was then and this is now. After his horrible remarks and support for an alt-right anti-Muslim political group they might ask him to give it back.
HellToupee
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
That was in 2015 before he went off the deep end into alt-ridge, racist territory. Doubt he feels that way today. He probably considers Hillary part of the loony left he now condemns.
HellToupee
Footballguy
jokes about mental illness are always hilarious. No outcry from easily offended squistion, no surprise after his fat shaming post yesterday . But god forbid his eyes see BAD HOMBRE
squistion
Footballguy
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/morrissey-confesses-he-can-no-longer-listen-to-the-smiths/ar-AAw1F3g?ocid=st
Morrissey confesses he can no longer listen to The Smiths
Morrissey has revealed that he no longer listens to The Smiths music because "his pride lies" with his solo work.
The former Smiths frontman opened up about the topic on his new personal website Morrissey Central in a divisive interview.
When asked if he would listen to his work from his time in The Smiths, Morrissey said: "Not. It was beautiful, but it's gone."
He added, "My pride is with ‘Low In High School‘, ‘World Peace Is None Of Your Business‘, ‘Years Of Refusal‘, ‘Ringleader Of the Tormentors‘, ‘You Are The Quarry‘, ‘Swords’, ‘Southpaw Grammar’, ‘Your Arsenal’, ‘Vauxhall and I’ … they are me, whereas The Smiths was a great but simplistic time."
Morrissey further expressed his adoration for his solo project saying he "cannot imagine my life without those solo albums" and added "even ‘Maladjusted’!"
[...]
Just as Morrissey is focused on his solo work, former Smiths band member Johnny Marr is set to release his third solo record Call The Comet on June 15.
A Smiths reunion seems to look less and less likely.
Morrissey confesses he can no longer listen to The Smiths
Morrissey has revealed that he no longer listens to The Smiths music because "his pride lies" with his solo work.
The former Smiths frontman opened up about the topic on his new personal website Morrissey Central in a divisive interview.
When asked if he would listen to his work from his time in The Smiths, Morrissey said: "Not. It was beautiful, but it's gone."
He added, "My pride is with ‘Low In High School‘, ‘World Peace Is None Of Your Business‘, ‘Years Of Refusal‘, ‘Ringleader Of the Tormentors‘, ‘You Are The Quarry‘, ‘Swords’, ‘Southpaw Grammar’, ‘Your Arsenal’, ‘Vauxhall and I’ … they are me, whereas The Smiths was a great but simplistic time."
Morrissey further expressed his adoration for his solo project saying he "cannot imagine my life without those solo albums" and added "even ‘Maladjusted’!"
[...]
Just as Morrissey is focused on his solo work, former Smiths band member Johnny Marr is set to release his third solo record Call The Comet on June 15.
A Smiths reunion seems to look less and less likely.
timschochet
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, if you live to 116.
Seriously, what was traditionally considered middle age, 35-45 (I guess) has expanded with added life expectancy from 40ish to late 50s/pre-Senior (early 60s).
And if you have three categories: Young, middle aged and old, 58 probably falls in the middle aged category.
honky kong
Footballguy
I'm a Smiths fan, I was a big Morrissey solo fan (first concert I ever went to) but the guy is an a##hat. No way around it.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Johnny Marr plus Bryan Ferry = The Right Stuff. Great tune. And yes I know it was a Smiths song first. I don't care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW2cNGs5wnk
HellToupee
Footballguy
A day late but a belated birthday to Stephen Patrick Morrissey
“ I don't think the word ‘racist’ has any meaning any more, other than to say ‘you don’t agree with me, so you’re a racist.’ People can be utterly, utterly stupid.”
“ I don't think the word ‘racist’ has any meaning any more, other than to say ‘you don’t agree with me, so you’re a racist.’ People can be utterly, utterly stupid.”
squistion
Footballguy
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/23/worlds-oldest-record-store-bans-morrissey-spillers
World's oldest record store bans Morrissey sales over far-right support
Spillers Records, the world’s oldest record shop, has banned Morrissey albums from sale.
The shop in Cardiff made the decision due to Morrissey’s support for the far-right political party For Britain, including wearing a badge with the party’s logo when performing on a US talk show this month.
“I’m saddened but ultimately not surprised that Spillers is unable to stock Morrissey’s releases any longer,” said the shop’s owner, Ashli Todd. “I only wished I’d done it sooner.”
Morrissey is preparing to release his latest solo album on Friday, with covers including Joni Mitchell, Roy Orbison, Bob Dylan, performed with guests featuring members of Green Day, Grizzly Bear and Broken Social Scene.
Anne Marie Waters, leader of For Britain, has described Islam as evil and as “a culture that does not fit with ours”.
Waters thanked Morrissey this week for raising the profile of the party. “I can tell you that the traffic to our website exploded with the story breaking of you wearing the For Britain button badge,” she said. “I hope to meet you one day.”
The former Smiths frontman has become an increasingly controversial figure in recent years for a string of remarks and his support for the far right. He voiced support for EDL founder Tommy Robinson in the wake of his sentencing for contempt of court, saying: “It’s very obvious that Labour or the Tories do not believe in free speech … I mean, look at the shocking treatment of Tommy Robinson.” He described halal meat preparation as evil and “requires certification that can only be given by supporters of Isis”; he told the NME in 2007 that “the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears … the gates of England are flooded. The country’s been thrown away”; and in 2010 described Chinese people as a “subspecies”.
World's oldest record store bans Morrissey sales over far-right support
Spillers Records, the world’s oldest record shop, has banned Morrissey albums from sale.
The shop in Cardiff made the decision due to Morrissey’s support for the far-right political party For Britain, including wearing a badge with the party’s logo when performing on a US talk show this month.
“I’m saddened but ultimately not surprised that Spillers is unable to stock Morrissey’s releases any longer,” said the shop’s owner, Ashli Todd. “I only wished I’d done it sooner.”
Morrissey is preparing to release his latest solo album on Friday, with covers including Joni Mitchell, Roy Orbison, Bob Dylan, performed with guests featuring members of Green Day, Grizzly Bear and Broken Social Scene.
Anne Marie Waters, leader of For Britain, has described Islam as evil and as “a culture that does not fit with ours”.
Waters thanked Morrissey this week for raising the profile of the party. “I can tell you that the traffic to our website exploded with the story breaking of you wearing the For Britain button badge,” she said. “I hope to meet you one day.”
The former Smiths frontman has become an increasingly controversial figure in recent years for a string of remarks and his support for the far right. He voiced support for EDL founder Tommy Robinson in the wake of his sentencing for contempt of court, saying: “It’s very obvious that Labour or the Tories do not believe in free speech … I mean, look at the shocking treatment of Tommy Robinson.” He described halal meat preparation as evil and “requires certification that can only be given by supporters of Isis”; he told the NME in 2007 that “the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears … the gates of England are flooded. The country’s been thrown away”; and in 2010 described Chinese people as a “subspecies”.
HellToupee
Footballguy
He believes if you treat animals badly you are less than human. I think he’s on to something there
squistion
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
He’s a passionate animal rights activist who views the world differently
HellToupee
Footballguy
Morrissey is the rock rebel we need right now
You don’t have to agree with everything he says to appreciate his one-man war on conformist thought.
BRENDAN O'NEILL
EDITOR
23rd May 2019
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TopicsBREXIT CULTURE FREE SPEECH POLITICS UK
In 1966, there was the ‘Beatle Boycott’, when record stores in the American Bible Belt refused to stock Beatles albums after John Lennon said The Beatles were more popular than Jesus. A southern radio station even organised ‘Beatle-grinding’: disappointed fans would send in their Beatles records so they could be reduced to ‘fine dust’ by an industrial-grade tree-grinding machine.
Then there was the Sex Pistols boycott, when major high-street record stores refused to stock the punk rockers’ 1977 monarchy-bashing single ‘God Save the Queen’. They were egged on by square MPs. ‘If pop music is going to be used to destroy our established institutions, then it should be destroyed first’, ranted Labour MP Marcus Lipton. Then came the NWA boycott in 1989, when some US record stores, at the behest of the pathologically anti-rap ladies-who-lunch of the Parents Music Resource Center, refused to stock Straight Outta Compton. (‘I don’t give a ####’, Dr Dre said.)
And now there’s the Morrissey boycott.
A UK record store is refusing to stock the Mancunian legend’s work on the basis of his offensive comments. Only this boycott isn’t organised by uptight Bible-bashers, Mary Whitehouse-style loathers of punk, or racist posh women, who think a young black man saying ‘#### tha police’ is the end of civilisation as we know it. No, the boycotters this time are progressives. Or at least that’s how they’d describe themselves, somewhat inaccurately.
Spillers Records in Cardiff, the oldest record store in the world, has banished Moz’s output from its premises because its owners don’t like his political views, in particular his support for the anti-Islam party, For Britain. ‘I only wish I’d done it sooner’, said the owner of the indie store, to sympathetic nods of approval from middle-class music-lovers for whom Morrissey has proved a bitter disappointment of late.
There are few things sadder in the world of cultural commentary right now than Moz-bashing. You can’t flick through the pages of the music press or browse a muso website without coming across a pained op-ed by some tragic fortysomething about how The Smiths saved his life when he was a fat, friendless 13-year-old and how distraught he now is to discover that Moz is a massive racist. In their view, that is. But then, in these people’s view everyone who didn’t vote Remain in 2016 and who doesn’t check their privilege on a weekly basis is a massive racist. They despise 21st-century Morrissey because – brace yourselves – he has different opinions to theirs. He likes Brexit (he called it ‘magnificent’), doesn’t like mass immigration (he’s worried about too many Muslims coming to Europe), and isn’t a fan of Diane Abbott. (‘British politics is a moral disaster on every level… even Tesco wouldn’t employ Diane Abbott’, he said recently, which, I’m sorry, is hilarious.)
Now, whatever you think of Moz’s views – I like what he says about Brexit and Diane Abbott, but not what he says about immigration or the meat industry (give it a rest, Steven!) – the fact is that he’s a national treasure. He just is. And like all national treasures – the Queen Mum, David Attenborough, Noel Gallagher – he’s a bit mental. What’s the point of a national treasure who doesn’t every now and then say or do something that makes you wince, whether it’s Attenborough calling human beings a ‘plague on Earth’ (thanks a bunch) or the Queen Mum letting her kids dress up as Nazis.
More to the point, since when did we expect pop or rock stars to have perfectly correct views, as defined by PC dullards, on every issue? That will come as news to Thin White Duke era David Bowie, with his fascist dalliances. Or Eric Clapton, who was partial to Enoch Powell for a while. Or even bloody Lee Ryan of Blue, who responded to 9/11 by saying: ‘Who gives a #### about New York when elephants are being killed?’ If you’re disturbed that pop people have iffy views, then the problem is you, not them, since you clearly think it’s their job to furnish and flatter your political worldview. It isn’t. Get your own political opinions. Stop being so needy. One could argue that Moz’s incessant and often witty rage against PC culture – whether he’s bigging up Brexit, dissing Islam or singing the praises of Israel – makes him a proper rock’n’roll rebel. You may not like what he says, but there’s no doubting that he is grating against the conformist outlook of the stuffy new elites, very knowingly too, in that way that rock rebels are meant to.
Their job is to make music. That’s all. What they think about things is immaterial. The current contempt for Morrissey reveals a seriously intolerant streak in cultural circles, which now seem to be packed with people who want to erase – or ‘cancel’, to use PC parlance – anyone whose politics differs to their own. However much they try to dress up their Moz boycott in the finery of anti-racism or whatever, in truth those Spillers guys are no different to the people who boycotted Lennon because he dissed Christ and the bores who boycotted Johnny Rotten because he insulted Her Maj. In all these cases, artists were punished because of what they thought and said.
Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy
You don’t have to agree with everything he says to appreciate his one-man war on conformist thought.
BRENDAN O'NEILL
EDITOR
23rd May 2019
Share
TopicsBREXIT CULTURE FREE SPEECH POLITICS UK
In 1966, there was the ‘Beatle Boycott’, when record stores in the American Bible Belt refused to stock Beatles albums after John Lennon said The Beatles were more popular than Jesus. A southern radio station even organised ‘Beatle-grinding’: disappointed fans would send in their Beatles records so they could be reduced to ‘fine dust’ by an industrial-grade tree-grinding machine.
Then there was the Sex Pistols boycott, when major high-street record stores refused to stock the punk rockers’ 1977 monarchy-bashing single ‘God Save the Queen’. They were egged on by square MPs. ‘If pop music is going to be used to destroy our established institutions, then it should be destroyed first’, ranted Labour MP Marcus Lipton. Then came the NWA boycott in 1989, when some US record stores, at the behest of the pathologically anti-rap ladies-who-lunch of the Parents Music Resource Center, refused to stock Straight Outta Compton. (‘I don’t give a ####’, Dr Dre said.)
And now there’s the Morrissey boycott.
A UK record store is refusing to stock the Mancunian legend’s work on the basis of his offensive comments. Only this boycott isn’t organised by uptight Bible-bashers, Mary Whitehouse-style loathers of punk, or racist posh women, who think a young black man saying ‘#### tha police’ is the end of civilisation as we know it. No, the boycotters this time are progressives. Or at least that’s how they’d describe themselves, somewhat inaccurately.
Spillers Records in Cardiff, the oldest record store in the world, has banished Moz’s output from its premises because its owners don’t like his political views, in particular his support for the anti-Islam party, For Britain. ‘I only wish I’d done it sooner’, said the owner of the indie store, to sympathetic nods of approval from middle-class music-lovers for whom Morrissey has proved a bitter disappointment of late.
There are few things sadder in the world of cultural commentary right now than Moz-bashing. You can’t flick through the pages of the music press or browse a muso website without coming across a pained op-ed by some tragic fortysomething about how The Smiths saved his life when he was a fat, friendless 13-year-old and how distraught he now is to discover that Moz is a massive racist. In their view, that is. But then, in these people’s view everyone who didn’t vote Remain in 2016 and who doesn’t check their privilege on a weekly basis is a massive racist. They despise 21st-century Morrissey because – brace yourselves – he has different opinions to theirs. He likes Brexit (he called it ‘magnificent’), doesn’t like mass immigration (he’s worried about too many Muslims coming to Europe), and isn’t a fan of Diane Abbott. (‘British politics is a moral disaster on every level… even Tesco wouldn’t employ Diane Abbott’, he said recently, which, I’m sorry, is hilarious.)
Now, whatever you think of Moz’s views – I like what he says about Brexit and Diane Abbott, but not what he says about immigration or the meat industry (give it a rest, Steven!) – the fact is that he’s a national treasure. He just is. And like all national treasures – the Queen Mum, David Attenborough, Noel Gallagher – he’s a bit mental. What’s the point of a national treasure who doesn’t every now and then say or do something that makes you wince, whether it’s Attenborough calling human beings a ‘plague on Earth’ (thanks a bunch) or the Queen Mum letting her kids dress up as Nazis.
More to the point, since when did we expect pop or rock stars to have perfectly correct views, as defined by PC dullards, on every issue? That will come as news to Thin White Duke era David Bowie, with his fascist dalliances. Or Eric Clapton, who was partial to Enoch Powell for a while. Or even bloody Lee Ryan of Blue, who responded to 9/11 by saying: ‘Who gives a #### about New York when elephants are being killed?’ If you’re disturbed that pop people have iffy views, then the problem is you, not them, since you clearly think it’s their job to furnish and flatter your political worldview. It isn’t. Get your own political opinions. Stop being so needy. One could argue that Moz’s incessant and often witty rage against PC culture – whether he’s bigging up Brexit, dissing Islam or singing the praises of Israel – makes him a proper rock’n’roll rebel. You may not like what he says, but there’s no doubting that he is grating against the conformist outlook of the stuffy new elites, very knowingly too, in that way that rock rebels are meant to.
Their job is to make music. That’s all. What they think about things is immaterial. The current contempt for Morrissey reveals a seriously intolerant streak in cultural circles, which now seem to be packed with people who want to erase – or ‘cancel’, to use PC parlance – anyone whose politics differs to their own. However much they try to dress up their Moz boycott in the finery of anti-racism or whatever, in truth those Spillers guys are no different to the people who boycotted Lennon because he dissed Christ and the bores who boycotted Johnny Rotten because he insulted Her Maj. In all these cases, artists were punished because of what they thought and said.
Brendan O’Neill is editor of spiked and host of the spiked podcast, The Brendan O’Neill Show. Subscribe to the podcast here. And find Brendan on Instagram: @burntoakboy
rockaction
Footballguy
On my stereo now:
ROCK N' ROLL SWINDLE. ROCK N' ROLL SWINDLE.
Just grabbed a copy at the local shop for twenty bucks in good condition. I'll take it.
Back then it was all about pissing of the monarchists and cashing in on the bourgeois' dime and shock.
Now it's about the politics of meat and fascism, like freaking Weimar.
Give me Johnny and Sid and Steve and Glen and Paul. Let's rock
Go home, Moz. Your music always was for pretentious pretty boy indies.
ROCK N' ROLL SWINDLE. ROCK N' ROLL SWINDLE.
Just grabbed a copy at the local shop for twenty bucks in good condition. I'll take it.
Back then it was all about pissing of the monarchists and cashing in on the bourgeois' dime and shock.
Now it's about the politics of meat and fascism, like freaking Weimar.
Give me Johnny and Sid and Steve and Glen and Paul. Let's rock
Go home, Moz. Your music always was for pretentious pretty boy indies.
rockaction
Footballguy
I remember when Todd Margaret wore a British National Party shirt with "British Pride" scrawled on it in an attempt to fit in with his more, um, cosmopolitan hosts. Maybe that's what Moz was trying to do. He just didn't know?
/upspeak
/upspeak
HellToupee
Footballguy
Morrissey once said that wars are "heterosexual hobbies", and that: "If more men were homosexual, there would be no wars, because homosexual men would never kill other men, whereas heterosexual men love killing other men."
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
After the death of Margaret Thatcher:
HellToupee
Footballguy
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-merseyside-48393548
Morrissey posters removed from Merseyrail stations
24 May 2019
Reach
A poster advertising Morrissey's new album in Moorfields station
Posters promoting Morrissey's latest album have been removed from railway stations after a commuter complained.
Adverts for the new album by the former Smiths singer have been taken down on the Merseyrail network.
Morrissey has previously expressed support for the far-right For Britain party and earlier this month wore a badge with its logo on during a TV show, but he denies he is a racist.
Merseyrail apologised and said the posters did not reflect its "values".
The adverts, which contain no political message, were removed after a traveller on a Southport service to Moorfields contacted the company to ask if it agreed with Morrissey's opinions.
The man, who asked not to be named, told the BBC he was not "offended" by the posters and did not demand they were taken down.
He said he just questioned the company on whether they were appropriate
Morrissey posters removed from Merseyrail stations
24 May 2019
Reach
A poster advertising Morrissey's new album in Moorfields station
Posters promoting Morrissey's latest album have been removed from railway stations after a commuter complained.
Adverts for the new album by the former Smiths singer have been taken down on the Merseyrail network.
Morrissey has previously expressed support for the far-right For Britain party and earlier this month wore a badge with its logo on during a TV show, but he denies he is a racist.
Merseyrail apologised and said the posters did not reflect its "values".
The adverts, which contain no political message, were removed after a traveller on a Southport service to Moorfields contacted the company to ask if it agreed with Morrissey's opinions.
The man, who asked not to be named, told the BBC he was not "offended" by the posters and did not demand they were taken down.
He said he just questioned the company on whether they were appropriate
HellToupee
Footballguy
https://www.nme.com/news/music/morrissey-hits-out-at-vengeful-and-paranoid-criticism-after-he-wore-for-britain-badge-2492135/amp
Morrissey responds to “vengeful and paranoid” criticism after he wore far-right badge
Nick Reilly
May 24, 2019 6:02 pm BST
"Inventing Britain's doomsday is the preoccupation of the tabloids."
Now, Morrissey has responded in a new message to fans on MorriseyCentral.com.
After thanking BBC Radio 2 for continuing to support his music, the outspoken singer proceeded to accuse the media of being “vengeful and paranoid”.
“In early old age could I please express very sincere thanks to BBC Radio 2 for their broad-shouldered support given to ‘California Son’, ‘Wedding Bell Blues’ and ‘It’s Over'” Morrissey wrote.
“Whatever the future brings, I will always remember Radio 2’s steady support during these rocky weeks – especially from Jo Whiley. I am sorry the UK print media’s contorted interpretation of who and what I am has gone all wrong. In these days when most people are afraid to even whisper, the print media write as if someone is coming to get them. This aching nervousness brings on the vengeful and paranoid.
“Inventing Britain’s doomsday is the preoccupation of the tabloids, and they can hate you for having lived.”
He adds: “I straighten up, and my position is one of hope. The march backwards is over, and life has begun again. With voice extended to breaking point, I call for the prosperity of free speech; the eradication of totalitarian control; I call for diversity of opinion; I call for the total abolition of the abattoir; I call for peace, above all; I call for civil society; I call for a so-far unknowable end to brutalities.
“‘No’ to Soviet Britain; prayers not to gods but to forces; an end to disingenuous media cluelessness; the people have the power; hatred and beheadings belong in the furnace of history; music might still be your only friend; for every shade and persuasion … we shall always be alongside each other – everyone’s culture of value; no more fashionable outrage; cows are friends to humans – don’t kill them; beware of those who write in headlines; moral fiber means holding on … to your friends; give up on inferior arguments; God gave you your life to enjoy – you will cry for your life in years to come.”
The singer concludes: “Death always answers back; do not be a nobody; you have survived this far in order to make the remainder peaceful and funny; your very survival proves that you have a right; ignore the cold eyes of fascism; your life is Art.”
Morrissey responds to “vengeful and paranoid” criticism after he wore far-right badge
Nick Reilly
May 24, 2019 6:02 pm BST
"Inventing Britain's doomsday is the preoccupation of the tabloids."
Now, Morrissey has responded in a new message to fans on MorriseyCentral.com.
After thanking BBC Radio 2 for continuing to support his music, the outspoken singer proceeded to accuse the media of being “vengeful and paranoid”.
“In early old age could I please express very sincere thanks to BBC Radio 2 for their broad-shouldered support given to ‘California Son’, ‘Wedding Bell Blues’ and ‘It’s Over'” Morrissey wrote.
“Whatever the future brings, I will always remember Radio 2’s steady support during these rocky weeks – especially from Jo Whiley. I am sorry the UK print media’s contorted interpretation of who and what I am has gone all wrong. In these days when most people are afraid to even whisper, the print media write as if someone is coming to get them. This aching nervousness brings on the vengeful and paranoid.
“Inventing Britain’s doomsday is the preoccupation of the tabloids, and they can hate you for having lived.”
He adds: “I straighten up, and my position is one of hope. The march backwards is over, and life has begun again. With voice extended to breaking point, I call for the prosperity of free speech; the eradication of totalitarian control; I call for diversity of opinion; I call for the total abolition of the abattoir; I call for peace, above all; I call for civil society; I call for a so-far unknowable end to brutalities.
“‘No’ to Soviet Britain; prayers not to gods but to forces; an end to disingenuous media cluelessness; the people have the power; hatred and beheadings belong in the furnace of history; music might still be your only friend; for every shade and persuasion … we shall always be alongside each other – everyone’s culture of value; no more fashionable outrage; cows are friends to humans – don’t kill them; beware of those who write in headlines; moral fiber means holding on … to your friends; give up on inferior arguments; God gave you your life to enjoy – you will cry for your life in years to come.”
The singer concludes: “Death always answers back; do not be a nobody; you have survived this far in order to make the remainder peaceful and funny; your very survival proves that you have a right; ignore the cold eyes of fascism; your life is Art.”
HellToupee
Footballguy
https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/24/banning-morrissey-makes-stronger/
Banning Morrissey Only Makes Him Stronger
The world's oldest record store has banned Morrissey's albums. But the legendary lyricist and singer just keeps thrilling his fans.
For those familiar with, or in some cases maybe obsessed with Morrissey’s work as a lyricist, a consistent calling card is his use of literary allusions and references. Whether quoting James Joyce or namedropping Oscar Wilde, the former frontman of The Smiths has long had a penchant for praising the great writers of the English tongue. But now he joins those two particular authors in an esteemed club. Just like Joyce and Wilde before him, his art is facing a ban.
Spillers, in Wales, apparently known as the oldest record store in the world, has announced this week that it will no longer carry Morrissey’s records. Just as happened to “A Picture of Dorian Gray” and “Ulysses,” it has been decided by cultural gatekeepers that Morrissey is too dangerous for shelf space. His crime? It is his support for the right-wing Pro Britain Party. But don’t expect these silly protests over his politics to hurt the last of the famous international playboys. It will only make him, and his new record “California Sun,” stronger.
In some ways, Morrissey is like the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) of the music world. His words are deeply sophisticated in style and content, steeped in the wealth of the Western tradition. Sometimes he writes about World War One, sometimes he writes about esoteric criminals, sometimes he writes about young right-wing disco-goers, sometimes he writes about Latino gangs. And like the IDW, Morrissey’s perspective on politics is actually kind of vague. His supposed violation of norms has less to do with endorsing any political policies than it does with refusing to be told what he may or may not say.
And luckily for Morrissey and the IDW, quite frankly, he is being banned at a time when free speech has become a central issue in our cultural debates. Part of the reason that Quillette gets so many clicks is that it publishes “dangerous” or “unsayable” ideas. Part of the reason Morrissey still sells out stadiums is that he, too, will not change and will not be nice. Like a Jordan Peterson with better hair, he croons his truth and says whatever he pleases in interviews, ever angering the snowflake society that condemns him.
While most celebrities today succumb to the totems and protocols of political correctness, Morrissey abstains from such behavior. This may be in part because he always seems a little ticked off. He often seems to see the world as cruel and crushing, but always finds the smile, the joke, the light that never goes out. And the fact of the matter is that for his fans, no record store ban will make a bit of difference. Most of Morrissey’s biggest fans don’t just love his music—they credit him with helping, even saving, them when they felt lost and lonely.
And to new generations, Morrissey always finds a way through. His crossover appeal to Mexican fans celebrated in the film “Ant-Man and The Wasp” is a perfect example. Morrissey finds new fans everywhere in the world because he speaks to essential human truths, fearlessly, and there will always be an audience for that.
At the end of the day, we should celebrate this great press for Moz. As his new album drops, with some charming covers from a charming man, and he crisscrosses the globe touring it, it is happy news that he is back in the crosshairs singing “Back on the Chain Gang.” As long as they spell your name, right, like the old saying goes.
And more broadly, as is always true with Morrissey, we get to smile and be in on the joke. What feels better these days than knowing one is not locked into the standard talking points and rightspeak mutterings that dullards say as they gravely nod their heads? The only thing I can think of is knowing that while listening to some classic Morrissey tracks.
So ban away, Spillers, supposedly famous record shop in Wales that nobody in New York has ever heard of. Morrissey will be here in September and his fans are excited. We want the one we can’t have because of course we do. And ultimately, what Morrissey says is inevitably deep, rich, straightforward, and honest. Those are qualities so rare today that the more his detractors ignore him, the closer his fans get.
Banning Morrissey Only Makes Him Stronger
The world's oldest record store has banned Morrissey's albums. But the legendary lyricist and singer just keeps thrilling his fans.
For those familiar with, or in some cases maybe obsessed with Morrissey’s work as a lyricist, a consistent calling card is his use of literary allusions and references. Whether quoting James Joyce or namedropping Oscar Wilde, the former frontman of The Smiths has long had a penchant for praising the great writers of the English tongue. But now he joins those two particular authors in an esteemed club. Just like Joyce and Wilde before him, his art is facing a ban.
Spillers, in Wales, apparently known as the oldest record store in the world, has announced this week that it will no longer carry Morrissey’s records. Just as happened to “A Picture of Dorian Gray” and “Ulysses,” it has been decided by cultural gatekeepers that Morrissey is too dangerous for shelf space. His crime? It is his support for the right-wing Pro Britain Party. But don’t expect these silly protests over his politics to hurt the last of the famous international playboys. It will only make him, and his new record “California Sun,” stronger.
In some ways, Morrissey is like the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) of the music world. His words are deeply sophisticated in style and content, steeped in the wealth of the Western tradition. Sometimes he writes about World War One, sometimes he writes about esoteric criminals, sometimes he writes about young right-wing disco-goers, sometimes he writes about Latino gangs. And like the IDW, Morrissey’s perspective on politics is actually kind of vague. His supposed violation of norms has less to do with endorsing any political policies than it does with refusing to be told what he may or may not say.
And luckily for Morrissey and the IDW, quite frankly, he is being banned at a time when free speech has become a central issue in our cultural debates. Part of the reason that Quillette gets so many clicks is that it publishes “dangerous” or “unsayable” ideas. Part of the reason Morrissey still sells out stadiums is that he, too, will not change and will not be nice. Like a Jordan Peterson with better hair, he croons his truth and says whatever he pleases in interviews, ever angering the snowflake society that condemns him.
While most celebrities today succumb to the totems and protocols of political correctness, Morrissey abstains from such behavior. This may be in part because he always seems a little ticked off. He often seems to see the world as cruel and crushing, but always finds the smile, the joke, the light that never goes out. And the fact of the matter is that for his fans, no record store ban will make a bit of difference. Most of Morrissey’s biggest fans don’t just love his music—they credit him with helping, even saving, them when they felt lost and lonely.
And to new generations, Morrissey always finds a way through. His crossover appeal to Mexican fans celebrated in the film “Ant-Man and The Wasp” is a perfect example. Morrissey finds new fans everywhere in the world because he speaks to essential human truths, fearlessly, and there will always be an audience for that.
At the end of the day, we should celebrate this great press for Moz. As his new album drops, with some charming covers from a charming man, and he crisscrosses the globe touring it, it is happy news that he is back in the crosshairs singing “Back on the Chain Gang.” As long as they spell your name, right, like the old saying goes.
And more broadly, as is always true with Morrissey, we get to smile and be in on the joke. What feels better these days than knowing one is not locked into the standard talking points and rightspeak mutterings that dullards say as they gravely nod their heads? The only thing I can think of is knowing that while listening to some classic Morrissey tracks.
So ban away, Spillers, supposedly famous record shop in Wales that nobody in New York has ever heard of. Morrissey will be here in September and his fans are excited. We want the one we can’t have because of course we do. And ultimately, what Morrissey says is inevitably deep, rich, straightforward, and honest. Those are qualities so rare today that the more his detractors ignore him, the closer his fans get.
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