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2018 IDP: NFL Draft Impact.

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So what are we looking at?

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A few thoughts on 3 players that piqued my interest with their landing spots...

Vita Vea becomes very interesting to me in DT leagues. TB suddenly has a nasty DLine with the FA additions of Curry, Allen, and JPP. There's a whole lotta 1v1s for anyone not named McCoy/JPP so if he gets playing time he could be a good option at DT. Playing time makes all the difference, though. Allen is listed as DT and he just signed a 3 year deal, but now sees his name below Vea on Roto's post draft depth chart. Invest in the draft stock, here. Vea is now a top 15 pick vs. Allen's 7th round stock. 

Marcus Davenport will likely destroy the value of AQM, Okafor, and Henderson, as  you mentioned in the stash thread. I had shares of them in both of my IDP leagues. :( Still, you get a highly touted rookie DE going to a GREAT situation with top picks along that DLine in Rankins and Jordan plus the benefit of an offense that scores well regularly to keep the defensive chances rolling. Really liking his chances of being an immediate impact player for IDP. 

Bradley Chubb is tough to love in Denver. If he's a DE it's a 3-4. If he's an OLB (Roto has him as OLB already) his value is all big-play. Regardless of position, the Broncos D seems to spread the points around, effectively capping any 1 player. Drafting him becomes a risk that I'm not paying top capital to assume. 

 

 

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Terrell Edmunds. Talk in Steeler nation (incl front office) is that it appears he is headed for a ILB heavy role. This could really slow down his starting target date, but could give massive value if he keeps the DB tag as well. 

Uchenna Nwosu. At first blush (and the teams statements) this 2nd rounder looks like he is headed for the unfortunate (IDP) 4-3 SLB position.

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Teams that made IDP moves:

BAL:  So a 4th rounder on ILB Kenny Young.  6'1", 236, ran a 4.6.  That's watch list material for sure.  Be a good guy to look for when scouring training camp reports.  If I had CJ Mosely, maybe a late round pick in deep leagues.  On his spider chart, there are some physical comps that were very helpful LBs.  

BUF:  Has an IDP ever fell into such a prime landing spot as Tremaine Edmunds?  No other good LBs, an offense that will sputter, room for him as edge rusher as well.  Could seriously lead the league in tackles next year.  

CAR:    Marquis Haynes is a LB sized edge player, who looks like designated pass rusher.  

CHI:  So the Bears were interesting.  Roquon Smith all day.  Will his numbers be limited with Trevathan and Kwiatkowski? Eh, .maaybe. Also spent a 4th round pick on Joel Iyiegbuniwe.  Physically, a Roquon clone.  Trevathan is a cut candidate after this year, and Bears have same investment in Iggy as Kwiatkowski.  Watchlist.  Kyle Fitts is late round edge guy that is one of the few Force Players this year.  

DAL:  I have Leighton Vander Esch pretty well below Edmunds and Smith.  Maybe below Rashaan Evans. But Cowboys fans being upset with the pick because they wanted a WR or a guard makes me think Cowboys fans aren't that bright.  I'm sad that it seems like Jaylon Smith won't ever be the same as he was in college.

DEN:  Bradley Chubb for the forseeable future, you'll always wonder if he gets designated as a LB.  Probably this year.  Bummer.  Josey Jewell is a favorite of IDP community, and is behind Brandon Marshall and Todd Davis.  If you own one of those two, his value increases.  The bright spot, to me, is that if he doesn't beat out Davis this year, you'll know he's not the next Chris Borland, and can maybe move on.  

GB:  I'm gonna wind up with Oren Burks on my teams.  Packers traded up to get him, he was one of their guys.  Other inside LBs are Jake Ryan and Blake Martinez, not exciting (Ryan one year left on deal, Martinez two).  Played safety early on in college, moved to ILB.  They used a higher pick on him than Ryan AND Martinez, AND it's a new GM, which is good for the new guys.  I'll draft him after someone else takes Jewell.  

HOU:  Took Justin Reid with their first pick.  This guy has a great publicist. The draft community, especially the big names, took turns jerking this guy off.  I don't see a path to tons of tackles, but if he drops, I'll snag him.

IND:  Darius Leonard has the benefit of playing on the worst danged defense roster in the league.  Opportunity abounds.  Same with Kemoko Turay and Tyquan Lewis

JAX:  Taven Bryan is a hedge against future contract problems for Jags big names.  Ronnie Harrison is a banger SS who would be amazing on IND.  On JAX, he might be almost useless.  

KC: Dorian O'Daniel has 3 down athletic ability.  Best agility score in the class, long wing span.  He has Hitchens and Ragland in front him, which is not terrible, but not ideal.  Think I will take him late, and throw on taxi squad.  

LAC:  Derwin James and Kyzir White are both worth being on the radar.  White as a money backer, and James as just a great blue chip prospect.  Chargers announced White as a LB.  With the current Chargers LBs, you might get a starting 3 down LB really late in the draft. 

LAR:  Took Micah Kiser in 5th round, and Ogletree is gone.  He tested better than expected, and his value cranks up because of opportunity.  Higher value than most 5th round LB

MIA:  Took LB Jerome Baker early 3rd round.  Athletic, I saw a scouting report he played a little soft.  Kiko Alonso and Raekwon McMillan there for forseeable future.  Watchlist for me. 

NO:  New Orleans making a bad/crazy deal for Davenport doesn't affect his stock.  Still the best physical attributes at DE.  Considering the designations stuff, might be only DE worth a dang this year.  

NYG:  Now Lorenzo Carter is a LB that looks like he could be a DE someday.  In a deep league with DE needs on roster, I like the stash.  

OAK:  Mo Hurst and Arden Key are both physical specimens with red flags, which should push them both down.  

PHI:  Josh Sweat is good looking athlete with injury concerns and a deep rotation in front of him.  Meh.  

PIT:  Terrell Edmunds AND Marcus Allen are both candidates for the coveted moneybacker/S designation.  You could argue for drafting them both over Minkah Fitrzpatrick.  

SF:  Fred Warner is super interesting.  Played in the slot on whatever bizarre things BYU was doing, and can clearly move.  On a team with snaps available, and Reuben Foster, so.....yeah.  

SEA:  Shaquem Griffin will be drafted too early for me.  

TEN:  Rashaan Evans is part of that big 4 at LB.  

 

 

 

 

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Nice work massraider!

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On 5/3/2018 at 0:55 PM, massraider said:

SEA:  Shaquem Griffin will be drafted too early for me. 

As just noted in the stash thread...

Seattles 3rd round pick Rasheem Green USC played both DE and DT in college, where he picked up 10 sacks his final season. With Avril just released and Bennett traded, he has a really solid opportunity to take the 3rd spot spot in the DE rotation (Clark & Jordan) that the Seahawks utilize. And also kick inside at DT on many pass rushing downs, even if his edge snaps are a bit limited. This could give him DT (DL) positional qualifications as well as DE, and increase his expected total snaps in his rookie campaign.

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On 5/3/2018 at 3:55 PM, massraider said:

Teams that made IDP moves:

GB:  I'm gonna wind up with Oren Burks on my teams.  Packers traded up to get him, he was one of their guys.  Other inside LBs are Jake Ryan and Blake Martinez, not exciting (Ryan one year left on deal, Martinez two).  Played safety early on in college, moved to ILB.  They used a higher pick on him than Ryan AND Martinez, AND it's a new GM, which is good for the new guys.  I'll draft him after someone else takes Jewell.  

LAC:  Derwin James and Kyzir White are both worth being on the radar.  White as a money backer, and James as just a great blue chip prospect.  Chargers announced White as a LB.  With the current Chargers LBs, you might get a starting 3 down LB really late in the draft. 

MIA:  Took LB Jerome Baker early 3rd round.  Athletic, I saw a scouting report he played a little soft.  Kiko Alonso and Raekwon McMillan there for forseeable future.  Watchlist for me.  

PIT:  Terrell Edmunds AND Marcus Allen are both candidates for the coveted moneybacker/S designation.  You could argue for drafting them both over Minkah Fitrzpatrick.  

Been awhile since the draft dust has settled.

Looking at the teams that took DBs.

I think you missed Cleveland taking Denzel and the rookie CB bump.  I think he's going to start early and be tested often.  He's not going to turn into an interception machine but he's going to ring up PDs and be consistent with tackles.

GB taking two corners is like trying to get a clear cut read on their RB situation, cloudy.

Chargers.  Everyone loves Derwin but they don't know his role.

Miami.  Minka is getting rave reviews but they don't have a position/role for him at this time.

Pittsburgh.  Head scratcher pick at that time and I'm still not entirely sure what they are doing.  Best case scenario is they make Edmunds into a LB/box safety hybrid of some sort because he's a liability in coverage so that would seem to limit him to sub packages or one or two down player.

Right now, of the DBs taken.  I really like Denzel Ward for IDP.

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Pittsburgh is really not that much of a head scratcher. Shazier was never intended to be a traditional LB. Colbert has always had a fondness for having a superior athletic centerpiece for the defense (think Polamalu). I think ultimately they wanted Tremaine Edmunds but Terrell had the highest relative athletic score of any safety in the draft and it wasn’t close. He’ll instantly be the best athlete on the defense as soon as he steps foot on the field. I think him and Derwin James will play a “joker” type role for lack of a better term. They really can do it all including edge rush when the time calls for it. Getting Terrell Edmunds at the end of rookie drafts feels like gold to me right now. 

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20 minutes ago, Bojang0301 said:

Pittsburgh is really not that much of a head scratcher. Shazier was never intended to be a traditional LB. Colbert has always had a fondness for having a superior athletic centerpiece for the defense (think Polamalu). I think ultimately they wanted Tremaine Edmunds but Terrell had the highest relative athletic score of any safety in the draft and it wasn’t close. He’ll instantly be the best athlete on the defense as soon as he steps foot on the field. I think him and Derwin James will play a “joker” type role for lack of a better term. They really can do it all including edge rush when the time calls for it. Getting Terrell Edmunds at the end of rookie drafts feels like gold to me right now. 

I think making the comparison of losing Shazier and trying to replace that 'rare' athlete to losing  Troy Polamalu and how they struggled and have never been able to replace him is spot on.

I don't think he is anywhere near Ryan Shazier.  I doubt he's even as fast as Shazier was.  I don't think that anyone thinks he can replace Shazier.  I'm at a loss for any arguments that even hint he is a poor replacement for Ryan Shazier.

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Shazier’s RAS in comparison.

If you’re unfamiliar it does take into account the players size for the position that they play. So if Edmunds was plugged in at LB he would be considerably worse because he only weighs 217 but that doesn’t take away from the point that his draft stock plus Steelers history of versatile defensive players plus his collegiate usage in multiple positions is saying to me they have a very keen idea of what they want to do with Edmunds. He is going to be used like a Queen on the chess board for the defense.

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2 minutes ago, Bojang0301 said:

Everyone is asleep at the wheel with this guy. I am not. 

He never stood out to me, but Pittsburgh picking him where they did certainly got my attention.  I'm open minded to him becoming what they clearly want him to be, but after letting this marinate this strikes me more as a need pick than it does seeing a superstar then going and getting your guy.  He's going to get an opportunity to earn a leader of the defense role, but I'm skeptical about it ever coming to fruition.

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5 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

He never stood out to me, but Pittsburgh picking him where they did certainly got my attention.  I'm open minded to him becoming what they clearly want him to be, but after letting this marinate this strikes me more as a need pick than it does seeing a superstar then going and getting your guy.  He's going to get an opportunity to earn a leader of the defense role, but I'm skeptical about it ever coming to fruition.

I suppose it’s fair to not see something in your own evaluation. I don’t think it was need based. They have Burnett, they have Davis, they needed an ILB and they could have (and were rumors of) bringing in Eric Reid. I guess I just don’t understand the poo poo’ing of the Edmunds pick. I don’t like conjecture but his whole family is NFL players and really athletic specimens at that when only looking at their workout metrics (Trey and Tremaine Edmunds; Father was Farrell, a TE; can’t speak for his athleticism). I’m just wondering if he had been selected by a needy team like the Colts or Texans at the top half of round 2 if the feelings wouldn’t be all warm and fuzzy for a high end athlete who played close to the line of scrimmage half his time in college and the other half playing almost every other position on defense.

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Per Edmunds.  Troy P had athletic numbers but that wasn't the sum of his game.  The Steelers tired, and kept trying to fill his role with guys with similar athletic number guys, Sharknado?   

The selection of Shazier is linked to Troy P IMHO because he is the guy who filled the role of crazy athlete on D who took control of the middle of the field and shot gaps but even he didn't roam and free lance like Troy Palamalu and didn't have a chance to compete with that sort of legacy. 

This article confesses how difficult it will be to replace Shazier and mentions Troy Palamala.  Replacing Shazier is the same sort of Herculean task.

Tim Benz: Kevin Colbert on monumental task of replacing Ryan Shazier

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By drafting Ryan Shazier out of Ohio State in 2014, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert made a big move towards countering offenses that had been attacking the middle of the field.

They had an antidote.

The Steelers now had a player who could shoot a gap to stuff the run or get a sack on a blitz. Yet, he was just as adept at dropping back and picking off a pass or knocking one down.

... Colbert has the task of replacing someone who just recently had become a solution.

A solution expected to be with the Steelers for years to come.

"Football has changed. It's more horizontal than it is vertical," Colbert explained. "When we drafted Ryan Shazier, we talked about that. The game is changing, and Ryan was going to be a specific player to try to meet the challenges of modern football and he certainly did that for us."

Now they need another Ryan Shazier.

As if those players can just be plucked off "the linebacker tree" at the local "Pro Bowl Orchard."

...Sound like anyone we know?

Fifteen years ago, the Steelers traded up to get Troy Polamalu. 

..."There's probably more specialist guys available than the unique, top players."

Unfortunately, that's what Shazier is. A "unique, top player." Now the Steelers have to hunt for a second one in five years.

 

If you like Terrell Edmunds and believe that he is a 'unique top player' then fine but IMHO he's not a 'unique top player' so he is not going to be able to fill the shoes of Shazier.  Troy Palamalu was a lot more than an athletic numbers guy.  They tried and failed to replace him but Ryan Shazier was the 'closest' to filling his shoes. 

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I went looking for how they might use Edmunds.  This is an ambitious plan.  They attempted and failed to trade-up for Rashaan Evans so that must have been plan-A.

They had to go with plan-B.  Here is what the plan is.  It is pretty complicated so I'm posting the entire plan. For Steelers' defense, it'll be safety first

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"What are the Steelers gonna do on defense? They didn't even get a linebacker to fill Ryan Shazier's spot!"

No. No, they didn't.

By all accounts they tried to trade up to get Rashaan Evans of Alabama. But with limited picks to swap this year, a lack of willingness to trade from next year's pool, and walled off by conference foes who didn't want to trade, that prospect became impossible.

So, yeah, what are they going to do on defense?

I don't know if it's going to work. But here's what they are going to do.

First of all, if you are clutching onto your old-school definition of what the Steelers' 3-4 base defense has been, please let me pry it from your cold, dead hands. Because we need to crumple it up and throw it away.

My Steelers Radio Network colleague, Matt Williamson — also ofWilliamsonFootball.com ­— joined me on our Breakfast with Benz podcast after the draft. As a former college and pro scout, he described what will likely be the Steelers "base defense" moving forward.

"Think of it more as a 5-1," Williamson said.

The "5" up front would be familiar. For the purposes of a "starting lineup," Javon Hargrave is on the nose flanked by Stephon Tuitt and Cam Heyward. T.J. Watt and Bud Dupree would be the pass rushers on the outside of the formation as normal.

Barring a push from Cam Sutton, Artie Burns will be a starter at cornerback along with Joe Haden.

So, that's seven players. And that's all pretty familiar. Where the concept — or at least the nomenclature — changes is the "1" in "5-1."

That's basically going to be Vince Williams or Jon Bostic, playing more of a middle linebacker than a traditional 3-4 inside linebacker role.

That leaves three spots on the field to be populated by "safeties," with the two at the second level of the defense performing de facto linebacker tasks.

"I think they'll have two Kam Chancellors," said Williamson, referring to the Seahawks star safety. "If you think about Seattle, they'll have Earl Thomas as a free safety, then they'll have Kam Chancellor as kind of a lurk defender, sort of in the box. But as a high safety in the box. If you have two of them matched with a 5-1 concept, then I think that's the best way to picture this."

Presumably, one safety assuming that job would be free agent signee Morgan Burnett. Another may be Sean Davis or one of the two draft choices, Terrell Edmunds or Marcus Allen.

Granted, Chancellor is 6-foot-3 and 232 pounds. All of these Steelers safeties are a few inches shorter than that and up to 20 pounds lighter.

That's what makes Chancellor unique, though. A better comparison size-wise that Williamson offered is Telvin Smith, the Jacksonville Jaguars linebacker who tortured the Steelers at times last year. He's 2 pounds lighter and just an inch-and-a-half taller than Edmunds.

The bigger question may be who plays that "Earl Thomas" free safety role on the third level of the defense. It could be Davis or Edmunds. Or, as Williamson speculated, it may be Sutton moving from his corner position.

As Williamson cautioned, that "base" look may only be on the field one-third to one-quarter of the time against a back and two tight ends, or two backs and one tight end.

On Saturday after the draft, Mike Tomlin also differentiated the role of safeties versus linebackers in base as opposed to subpackages. That allows for the idea of Bostic and Williams still being on the field together.

When opponents go to three-receiver formations or get into more passing-prone situations, simply drop Hargrave from the unit outlined above and put Mike Hilton on the field to play his usual slot corner role.

Now, you are looking at Tuitt, Heyward, Dupree and Watt up front. Haden, Hilton and Burns as your corners, plus three safeties and either Williams or Bostic.

"This is probably something that is just indicative of the safety position in today's NFL," Tomlin said. "In sub-package defense, when you start putting DBs down in the box, several of these guys have had that in their past and we are excited about looking at that as a component of our play."

One worry is in their effort to become faster and more nimble against the pass, they leave themselves vulnerable against the run. That was something that plagued the Steelers in their four losses last year.

But it's clear the Steelers have a new motto on defense: "Safety" first.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

I went looking for how they might use Edmunds.  This is an ambitious plan.  They attempted and failed to trade-up for Rashaan Evans so that must have been plan-A.

They had to go with plan-B.  Here is what the plan is.  It is pretty complicated so I'm posting the entire plan. For Steelers' defense, it'll be safety first

 

Even if you defer to Edmunds not being a special centerpiece it’s clear they are going to put him near the line of scrimmage and treat him like a tweener back. In all of my leagues (which granted drafted immediately after the draft) Edmunds would have went undrafted had I not taken him. There is quite a bit of value if he is like a Josh Jones or Jahleel Addae.

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12 hours ago, Bojang0301 said:

Even if you defer to Edmunds not being a special centerpiece it’s clear they are going to put him near the line of scrimmage and treat him like a tweener back. In all of my leagues (which granted drafted immediately after the draft) Edmunds would have went undrafted had I not taken him. There is quite a bit of value if he is like a Josh Jones or Jahleel Addae.

Whoa, wait a second.  

The article describes something pretty complicated but it clearly states:

"Presumably, one safety assuming that job would be free agent signee Morgan Burnett. Another may be Sean Davis or one of the two draft choices, Terrell Edmunds or Marcus Allen."

They don't even know who is going to play the spots so Terrell Edmunds hasn't won any jobs and it sounds like that 'position' is up for grabs.

The other thing is this 'base' is only projected to be on the field a quarter to a third of the time and it isn't a position that would seem to ring up a ton of tackles.  This position is a second box-SS/OLB hybrid competing for tackles on a five man front. 

In my mind they had T-Edmunds trying to replace Ryan Shazier who was putting up crazy numbers as thee-man in the middle who never came off the field but this position looks like it would be an OLB.

One other thing to ponder from the article is where this SS/OLB would be lined up because that is a bit confusing:

19 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

a lurk defender, sort of in the box. But as a high safety in the box. If you have two of them matched with a 5-1 concept, then I think that's the best way to picture this."

Matt Williamson is having a hard time describing where he would be played because he says a 'high-safety in the box'.  

Huh?

You play in the box or high (deep) so I'm pretty sure that Matt isn't sure of where this position will play but Terrell is competing with two other guys, he hasn't won any jobs.  I think you are right that this position has real value in terms of rookie DBs but it is not a replacement for Ryan Shazier so that makes a ton of sense to me.  

Think of it as a sub package OLB hybrid SS and adjust expectations provided this plan even works.  It is complex.

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Ultimately, with a draft stock of "final round rookie draft" or even UDFA, Edmunds appears to be a great upside addition to any IDP team. 

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22 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

The other thing is this 'base' is only projected to be on the field a quarter to a third of the time and it isn't a position that would seem to ring up a ton of tackles.  

When he describes the base coming off the field, it doesn't affect the safeties, so who cares?

As to it being a position that doesn't ring up a lot of tackles, SS-types playing behind weak LBs seem pretty sweet to me.  

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57 minutes ago, massraider said:

When he describes the base coming off the field, it doesn't affect the safeties, so who cares?

As to it being a position that doesn't ring up a lot of tackles, SS-types playing behind weak LBs seem pretty sweet to me.  

The plan is to have three safeties on the field in the base, a FS and two box-SS/LBer hybrids.  You say it doesn't affect the safeties when the base comes off the field.

So when they play nickel or dime or goal or rush packages are you saying that they won't pull a box safety?  I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

The only defense that had multiple safeties as a base that worked that I can think of is Arizona but they had Todd Bowles who is a genius IMHO.  His base has been a traditional 4-3 with 4-3 personnel up front on the LOS.  He skimped on OLBers but had a strong front and DBs who could cover  When he ran with multiple DBs Bowles base was a 4-2 and he played a lot of slot corners and instead of two box-safeties he went with one that was a bigger SS that acted much like a 4-3 OLB.  The Steelers have been a staunch 3-4 and have that sort or personnel up front and they don't have a honey badger FS/CB hybrid.

I really don't know how or if this will work with the current Steeler personnel.  This new position could blow up and the upside is their but we don't even know if Terrell Edmunds will be the starter and I think they will be pulling one of those box safeties for corners or bigger LBers so I don't know what to expect but traditionally Steeler OLBers don't ring up many tackles.

You said when the base doesn't affect the safeties.  I'm not sure what you mean.  

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29 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

The plan is to have three safeties on the field in the base, a FS and two box-SS/LBer hybrids.  You say it doesn't affect the safeties when the base comes off the field.

So when they play nickel or dime or goal or rush packages are you saying that they won't pull a box safety?  I'm not sure I understand what you mean?

The only defense that had multiple safeties as a base that worked that I can think of is Arizona but they had Todd Bowles who is a genius IMHO.  His base has been a traditional 4-3 with 4-3 personnel up front on the LOS.  He skimped on OLBers but had a strong front and DBs who could cover  When he ran with multiple DBs Bowles base was a 4-2 and he played a lot of slot corners and instead of two box-safeties he went with one that was a bigger SS that acted much like a 4-3 OLB.  The Steelers have been a staunch 3-4 and have that sort or personnel up front and they don't have a honey badger FS/CB hybrid.

I really don't know how or if this will work with the current Steeler personnel.  This new position could blow up and the upside is their but we don't even know if Terrell Edmunds will be the starter and I think they will be pulling one of those box safeties for corners or bigger LBers so I don't know what to expect but traditionally Steeler OLBers don't ring up many tackles.

You said when the base doesn't affect the safeties.  I'm not sure what you mean.  

This was your quote:

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The other thing is this 'base' is only projected to be on the field a quarter to a third of the time and it isn't a position that would seem to ring up a ton of tackles.  

Let's leave aside goalline, because the percentage is small, and we have no idea what that group looks like.  

We're talking about nickel and dime defenses.  The article you quoted stated this:

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When opponents go to three-receiver formations or get into more passing-prone situations, simply drop Hargrave from the unit outlined above and put Mike Hilton on the field to play his usual slot corner role.

So nickel wouldn't affect the snap counts of the moneybacker type guys.  Could dime result in a safety being pulled for a CB?  Sure.  it could also be Bostic/Williams being pulled, and Burnett/Davis/Edmunds playing almost 100% of defensive snaps, with Burnett or Edmunds as dime linebacker.  

 

You stated we don't know if Edmunds is even starting.  We don't technically know that about ANY rookie so far.  Could Marcus Allen beat him out? I guess so.  Is it likely? No.  

 

With those LBs, and ALREADY talk about using three safeties, there's opportunity for Edmunds to get significant snaps, close to the LOS, with less-than-inspiring LBs around him.  

 

Stating that 3-4 OLB aren't tackle heavy roles doesn't matter, as whatever LB role Edmunds plays isn't going to look anything like a 3-4 OLB role.  That's Watts and Dupree.  

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On 6/4/2018 at 9:44 AM, Flying Elvis said:

Ultimately, with a draft stock of "final round rookie draft" or even UDFA, Edmunds appears to be a great upside addition to any IDP team. 

Who Edmunds?  Terrel was taken by pick 46 in all of my rookie drafts, he's nowhere near UD status in them.  I wish I could get him in final rounds.

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Fred Warner SF: As massraider said "super interesting". Especially since they moved Ruben Foster to WLB and the 49ers let Warner play MLB when Malcom Smith missed time. This could certainly foreshadow their long term plans.

 

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On 5/3/2018 at 3:55 PM, massraider said:

HOU:  Took Justin Reid with their first pick.  This guy has a great publicist. The draft community, especially the big names, took turns jerking this guy off.  I don't see a path to tons of tackles, but if he drops, I'll snag him.

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Texans moving CB Kareem Jackson to safety. The Justin Reid #IDP bandwagon may have just hit a speed bump. https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1010285285983342592 … #FantasyFootball

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Bill O’Brien is a guest on @SportsRadio610 and said the plan is to move veteran CB Kareem Jackson to safety full time.

7:58 PM - 22 Jun 2018

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On 6/1/2018 at 10:50 AM, Bracie Smathers said:

Right now, of the DBs taken.  I really like Denzel Ward for IDP.

Off to a quick start in his first game with 2 INTs.

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If you drafted Derwin James, it's like getting Rashad Jones his rookie year.  Kid is such an alpha. :thumbup:

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Ja'Whaun Bentley, a total run-stuffing thumper started for the Patriots and was leading them in tackles until the end when Houston went into total pass mode.

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