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6 minutes ago, packersfan said:

Man's got a point:

"Iran is a country that adheres to its commitments and the United States is a country that does not adhere to its commitments." ~ Hassan Rouhani, President of Iran.

"A man's got to have a code."  ~ Omar

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Iranian president Rouhani: "Iran will be conferring with the world's two super powers, Russia and China"

11:46 AM - 8 May 2018

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Iranian president Rouhani: "Iran will be conferring with the world's two super powers, Russia and China"

11:46 AM - 8 May 2018

And this means...

what? 

Bluster.  

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Iranian president Rouhani: "Iran will be conferring with the world's two super powers, Russia and China"

11:46 AM - 8 May 2018

We had a good run as a global leader.

Well done 'Merica.

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Yes, an assessment of the U.S. by Iran is always trustworthy and generally based on sound logic and principle.  

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

It's smart of Iran because they get the appearance of diplomacy with none of the compliance. 

It's actually rather quite genius of them.  

It's frightening to see how many world leaders are immensely more intelligent than ours. 

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Just now, packersfan said:

We had a good run as a global leader.

Well done 'Merica.

You can't be serious. 

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Just now, JuniorNB said:

It's frightening to see how many world leaders are immensely more intelligent than ours. 

You mean the ones that let Iran gather their own samples for compliance testing?  

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2 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

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Iranian president Rouhani: "Iran will be conferring with the world's two super powers, Russia and China"

11:46 AM - 8 May 2018

LOL  Another huge F-you to Trump. 

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Just now, rockaction said:

Yes, an assessment of the U.S. by Iran is always trustworthy and generally based on sound logic and principle.  

:goodposting:  It's like you can't take a country's word for anything any more.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

And this means...

what? 

Bluster.  

Well, at least Trump speaks bluster.  So, they are on the same page.

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3 minutes ago, whoknew said:

This is smart of Iran - 

 

BREAKING: Iranian President Hassan Rouhani has confirmed Iran will continue the nuclear deal members of the P5+1 even without US. (State TV)

To be clear, he has also instructed his atomic agency to prepare for enrichment of uranium again in the event it's not a favorable situation for Iran. It has to be in their economic interests. I'm guessing our allies will be asked to pick up our tab.

 

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Is Russia now going to move into a more defensive posture within Iran?

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Just now, Radical Larry said:

:goodposting:  It's like you can't take a country's word for anything any more.

Said the regime that is largely considered to be the largest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. 

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Can someone refresh my memory...what was the current event that just happened where Trump and Trump supporters pretended to care about the Iranian people for just a few days??

 

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

To be clear, he has also instructed his atomic agency to prepare for enrichment of uranium again in the event it's not a favorable situation for Iran. It has to be in their economic interests. I'm guessing our allies will be asked to pick up our tab.

 

Trump not paying his bills? That's so unlike him.

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25 minutes ago, packersfan said:

I understand what I'm about to say here - but Democrats simply cannot muck up the midterms. The Republicans are gift-wrapping them major talking points without even uttering the words Donald J. Trump.

How does this even matter?  The vast majority of Republicans are against the Iran deal and the vast majority of Dems are for it.

What truly will matter is what actually happens in Iran now, not the shtick of partisan politics.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

Said the regime that is largely considered to be the largest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East. 

I'm the regime that is largely considered to be the largest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East?

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Just now, Radical Larry said:

I'm the regime that is largely considered to be the largest sponsor of terrorism in the Middle East?

Well, you are Radical Larry.  

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4 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

It's frightening to see how many world leaders are immensely more intelligent than ours. 

But in no way surprising...at all.

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2 minutes ago, shader said:

How does this even matter?  The vast majority of Republicans are against the Iran deal and the vast majority of Dems are for it.

What truly will matter is what actually happens in Iran now, not the shtick of partisan politics.

Link?

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3 minutes ago, shader said:

How does this even matter?  The vast majority of Republicans are against the Iran deal and the vast majority of Dems are for it.

What truly will matter is what actually happens in Iran now, not the shtick of partisan politics.

Is that true?

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7 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Yes, an assessment of the U.S. by Iran is always trustworthy and generally based on sound logic and principle.  

Here's the identical assessment from an Iranian-American journalist who has been living and working in the US since 2002.

And more importantly, it's unquestionably true.  A deal was made, they stood by it, we did not.  Facts are facts no matter who says them.

 

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https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/iran-nuclear-deal-two-years/533556/

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What the deal has done, at least for the next decade, is remove any realistic threat of a near-term Iranian nuclear weapon. The United States should use that decade wisely: standing up to and imposing costs on Iranian transgressions, supporting U.S. allies in the region, making clear to the Iranian public that the West is not an enemy, and preparing for the day when some of the deal’s restrictions will no longer apply. If, by 2030, Iran has not demonstrated that its nuclear program is exclusively peaceful and that it is willing to live in peace with its neighbors, the United States and its international partners will have difficult decisions to make about how to handle the issue going forward.

But since there is a chance that Iran will have different leaders or policies by then—the current Supreme Leader will almost certainly be gone, and a new generation may have come to power—why make those difficult decisions now? The Iran deal has bought valuable time. Squandering that time without a better plan would be foolish.  

 

 

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Chris Hayes‏Verified account @chrislhayes

Here's the real heart of the case from the Iran deal's regional opponents: Israel, Saudia Arabia and UAE. They view Iran as a strengthening regional hegemon, a uniquely pernicious presence emboldened by its power in Iraq and seeking to expand influence over the entire region.

They *hated* the nuclear deal not primarily because of the details of the deal but because it removed the biggest point of confrontation between US and Iran as well as the most obvious causus belli for military confrontation.

Pretty clear Israel, KSA and UAE think Iran can only be rolled back through military confrontation and are seeking a regional war to do it, but could not pursue that objective without the US' blessing and without rhetorical justification of nuclear program.

The path has now been cleared for them. The blockade of Qatar was a kind of dress rehearsal. We'll see what happens next.

12:14 PM - 8 May 2018

 

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Just now, TobiasFunke said:

Here's the identical assessment from an Iranian-American journalist who has been living and working in the US since 2002.

And more importantly, it's unquestionably true.  A deal was made, they stood by it, we did not.  Facts are facts no matter who says them.

 

I was talking about the "superpower" comment. We obviously are no longer honoring the deal as is our right as a sovereign nation.  

It doesn't sound like they were honoring it, either, but rather keeping up appearances to open up trade while sponsoring terrorism and developing missiles.  

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8 minutes ago, shader said:

How does this even matter?  The vast majority of Republicans are against the Iran deal and the vast majority of Dems are for it.

What truly will matter is what actually happens in Iran now, not the shtick of partisan politics.

This is kind of true if you're talking about know-nothing voters on both sides. But if you're talking about people who actually know what the hell they're talking about, bipartisan groups with experts in national security, diplomacy and nuclear nonproliferation are all in agreement about the merits of the deal. I posted this information earlier. 

 

Just to be clear- I'm one of those know-nothing voters when it comes to foreign policy. Which is why I rely in bipartisan or nonpartisan expert consensus on these matters.

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“Mr. President, how does this America safer?” she said. “How does this make American safer?”

Trump gathered his thoughts for a moment, then just restated the question in the form of an assertion.

“This will make America much safer,” he said, before getting up for the table on which he signed the memorandum.

:lmao:  

 

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1 minute ago, urbanhack said:

“Mr. President, how does this America safer?” she said. “How does this make American safer?”

Trump gathered his thoughts for a moment, then just restated the question in the form of an assertion.

“This will make America much safer,” he said, before getting up for the table on which he signed the memorandum.

:lmao:  

 

many people are saying it will make America safer, everyone thinks so...

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Just now, urbanhack said:

“Mr. President, how does this America safer?” she said. “How does this make American safer?”

Trump gathered his thoughts for a moment, then just restated the question in the form of an assertion.

“This will make America much safer,” he said, before getting up for the table on which he signed the memorandum.

:lmao:  

 

I was just coming to post asking if anyone has been able to explain how we are safer now that we pulled out of this deal.

If the President can't even come up with something then I guess I know the answer.

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1 hour ago, Bucky86 said:

So...what exactly do we have to gain by this? 

Consider what we have expended:

  • We exposed our Stuxnet virus.
  • An American officer (general IIRC) was convicted for leaks about the Stuxnet attack.
  • An Iranian scientist was executed for cooperating with us.
  • Americans who won judgements for Iranian terror and military attacks in US courts were deemed surrendered.
  • The cash and frozen assets, which were partly to eventually reach accommodation for damages from the 1979 Revolution.

We gave all that up, and now we have nothing.

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3 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

“Mr. President, how does this America safer?” she said. “How does this make American safer?”

Trump gathered his thoughts for a moment, then just restated the question in the form of an assertion.

“This will make America much safer,” he said, before getting up for the table on which he signed the memorandum.

:lmao:  

 

I think he's getting dumber by the day.

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2 minutes ago, Banger said:

many people are saying it will make America safer, everyone thinks so...

most people don't know this, but this is going to make America much safer. 

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2 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

“Mr. President, how does this America safer?” she said. “How does this make American safer?”

Trump gathered his thoughts for a moment, then just restated the question in the form of an assertion.

“This will make America much safer,” he said, before getting up for the table on which he signed the memorandum.

:lmao:  

 

Another good way to evaluate the wisdom of this decision is to look at the administration's willingness to face questions about it.  If this was truly in America's best interests and had been thought out in detail the Administration would happily take questions on it and would send surrogates to non-Fox networks to defend it and none of those people would have to resort to lying when they did so.  Let's see how it plays out!  (they'll duck and lie)

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Just now, TobiasFunke said:

Another good way to evaluate the wisdom of this decision is to look at the administration's willingness to face questions about it.  If this was truly in America's best interests and had been thought out in detail the Administration would happily take questions on it and would send surrogates to non-Fox networks to defend it and none of those people would have to resort to lying when they did so.  Let's see how it plays out!  (they'll duck and lie)

Pretty hard for pundits to actually defend this move when the real answer is 'because Obama created the deal and he picked on me at a dinner once'

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Republican Rep. Mike Turner, chair of House Armed Services subcomittee: “Without proof that Iran is in violation of the agreement, it is a mistake to fully withdraw from this deal.”

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Most of the people in this forum must have given up their lunches on a daily basis in school.

Hell, "Go along to get along" ...that's our motto!  Don't piss anyone off...they might get mad and hurt us!

I can almost pinpoint EXACTLY when this country became a country of spineless sheep.

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Just now, Opie said:

Most of the people in this forum must have given up their lunches on a daily basis in school.

Hell, "Go along to get along" ...that's our motto!  Don't piss anyone off...they might get mad and hurt us!

I can almost pinpoint EXACTLY when this country became a country of spineless sheep.

What are you talking about?

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15 minutes ago, Banger said:

Chris Hayes‏Verified account @chrislhayes

Here's the real heart of the case from the Iran deal's regional opponents: Israel, Saudia Arabia and UAE. They view Iran as a strengthening regional hegemon, a uniquely pernicious presence emboldened by its power in Iraq and seeking to expand influence over the entire region.

They *hated* the nuclear deal not primarily because of the details of the deal but because it removed the biggest point of confrontation between US and Iran as well as the most obvious causus belli for military confrontation.

Pretty clear Israel, KSA and UAE think Iran can only be rolled back through military confrontation and are seeking a regional war to do it, but could not pursue that objective without the US' blessing and without rhetorical justification of nuclear program.

The path has now been cleared for them. The blockade of Qatar was a kind of dress rehearsal. We'll see what happens next.

12:14 PM - 8 May 2018

 

This is terrifying. 

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Just now, Opie said:

Most of the people in this forum must have given up their lunches on a daily basis in school.

Hell, "Go along to get along" ...that's our motto!  Don't piss anyone off...they might get mad and hurt us!

I can almost pinpoint EXACTLY when this country became a country of spineless sheep.

you're right...we should have another war, have thousands more of our kids die and rack up trillions more in debt to show WE'RE TOUGH!!!

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