timschochet

I worry too much. The Democrats are going to win bigly in November.

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On 5/4/2018 at 10:25 AM, Don't Noonan said:

Exactly, they have nothing but to bash Trump, just like this board.

It didn't work in 2016 and won't work in 2020 but really not sure if some Dems want Trump to lose.  This way they can't be blamed for doing nothing by the people when they have power again and they keep their coprorate donors happy.

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23 hours ago, shader said:

Lol @ keep the focus on the economy.  The democrats have been “Russia Russia 24/7” for a year and a half.  

Of the many special elections we've had filling vacant House and Senate seats, or regular elections at the state level filling state legislatures, has the primary campaign message of the Democrats in those races been "Russia Russia 24/7"?  Shouldn't be hard to find a few examples of it if your statement is true. 

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21 hours ago, cubd8 said:

The flaw in your argument is you think because one side is crazy, the other side is acceptable (or that you want them to win). Both sides are bad.

Both sides may be bad but Republicans are WAY worse right now. They have far more crazies running the show - led by the leader of their party.

That doesn't mean its always been like that or it always will be. But its definitely true right now.

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12 hours ago, IC FBGCav said:

It didn't work in 2016 and won't work in 2020 but really not sure if some Dems want Trump to lose.  This way they can't be blamed for doing nothing by the people when they have power again and they keep their coprorate donors happy.

The media is Trump 24/7 but when I see politicians tweet, I see a lot more topics than Trump: health care, BIG, immigration reform, education, etc.

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13 hours ago, IC FBGCav said:

It didn't work in 2016 and won't work in 2020 but really not sure if some Dems want Trump to lose.  This way they can't be blamed for doing nothing by the people when they have power again and they keep their coprorate donors happy.

Okay Cav.  Say you were elected Chair of the DNC.  What are your next moves?

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40 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

The media is Trump 24/7 but when I see politicians tweet, I see a lot more topics than Trump: health care, BIG, immigration reform, education, etc.

If the goal of the "liberal media" is to get Trump out of office, they're doing it wrong.  Way wrong.

Instead of using their platform to outline and push the legal reasons why Trump might be unfit for office, they spend 90% of their time making the same 5 jokes about his hair, his weight, what they think his penis looks like, etc.

Focusing on the moral aspect (rather than the legal aspect: the possibility that it was done with campaign funds) of him banging some skank porn star and paying her off not to talk about makes less than zero sense. But it allows them to make more jokes about Donald Trump having sex, so they just keep on doing it. If catching Trump on tape talking about grabbing women by the ##### didn't cause the necessary moral outrage to bring him down, why do they think this will?

The answer is they probably dont. But talking about it sure does drive ratings. How many "opposition" comedians, late night hosts and writers stand to lose their jobs (or at the very least, take a major dip in ratings) if they dont have Trump to beat on 2 years from now? And to a lesser extent, the same holds true to serious journalists like Maddow.

 

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Of course, all the worries I’ve stated in this thread may be for naught if the Republicans keep handing Democrats gifts like this: Blankenship is surging in West Virginia: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/05/blankenship-polls-west-virginia-senate-primary-570752

The Dems can’t blow it if Republicans blow it first. :thumbup:

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18 minutes ago, TLEF316 said:

If the goal of the "liberal media" is to get Trump out of office, they're doing it wrong.  Way wrong.

Instead of using their platform to outline and push the legal reasons why Trump might be unfit for office, they spend 90% of their time making the same 5 jokes about his hair, his weight, what they think his penis looks like, etc.

Focusing on the moral aspect (rather than the legal aspect: the possibility that it was done with campaign funds) of him banging some skank porn star and paying her off not to talk about makes less than zero sense. But it allows them to make more jokes about Donald Trump having sex, so they just keep on doing it. If catching Trump on tape talking about grabbing women by the ##### didn't cause the necessary moral outrage to bring him down, why do they think this will?

The answer is they probably dont. But talking about it sure does drive ratings. How many "opposition" comedians, late night hosts and writers stand to lose their jobs (or at the very least, take a major dip in ratings) if they dont have Trump to beat on 2 years from now? And to a lesser extent, the same holds true to serious journalists like Maddow.

 

A. The goal of the mainstream media is to make money for their shareholders.

Trump =ratings. 

B. I see CNN and MSNBC and the big print media discussing the legal and political ramifications of Trump all the time. They are constantly talking about ways Trump may have bent or broken laws, be compromised in some way, etc. 

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17 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Of course, all the worries I’ve stated in this thread may be for naught if the Republicans keep handing Democrats gifts like this: Blankenship is surging in West Virginia: 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/05/05/blankenship-polls-west-virginia-senate-primary-570752

The Dems can’t blow it if Republicans blow it first. :thumbup:

I hope he wins so bad. I want to see his follow-up.

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On 5/3/2018 at 1:24 PM, Maurile Tremblay said:

People, including federal legislators, should try to do their jobs competently without regard to how it will be perceived.

Let me put this a bit differently.

One of my current criticisms of Republican legislators (e.g., on the HPSCI) is that they are refusing to hold Trump accountable for anything due to their perception that taking a stand against Trump will be bad for them politically.

If Democrats refuse to impeach Trump (or refuse to publicly support impeachment) due to their perception that it will be bad for them politically, how is that any better? It’s the exact same thing.

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On 5/6/2018 at 9:07 AM, TLEF316 said:

If the goal of the "liberal media" is to get Trump out of office, they're doing it wrong.  Way wrong.

Instead of using their platform to outline and push the legal reasons why Trump might be unfit for office, they spend 90% of their time making the same 5 jokes about his hair, his weight, what they think his penis looks like, etc.

Focusing on the moral aspect (rather than the legal aspect: the possibility that it was done with campaign funds) of him banging some skank porn star and paying her off not to talk about makes less than zero sense. But it allows them to make more jokes about Donald Trump having sex, so they just keep on doing it. If catching Trump on tape talking about grabbing women by the ##### didn't cause the necessary moral outrage to bring him down, why do they think this will?

The answer is they probably dont. But talking about it sure does drive ratings. How many "opposition" comedians, late night hosts and writers stand to lose their jobs (or at the very least, take a major dip in ratings) if they dont have Trump to beat on 2 years from now? And to a lesser extent, the same holds true to serious journalists like Maddow.

 

You are definitely watching different news stations than I am.

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I think the DNC started way too fast and heavy with information.    If the DNC wanted to use all of this current Trump scandal information they should have waited closer to the Presidential Election.  People become numb after awhile and will stop to care if Trump raped pornstars or playboy bunnies.  I seriously believe that Trump could kill someone and maintain most of his base. 

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On 5/6/2018 at 7:07 AM, TLEF316 said:

If the goal of the "liberal media" is to get Trump out of office, they're doing it wrong.  Way wrong.

Instead of using their platform to outline and push the legal reasons why Trump might be unfit for office, they spend 90% of their time making the same 5 jokes about his hair, his weight, what they think his penis looks like, etc.

Focusing on the moral aspect (rather than the legal aspect: the possibility that it was done with campaign funds) of him banging some skank porn star and paying her off not to talk about makes less than zero sense. But it allows them to make more jokes about Donald Trump having sex, so they just keep on doing it. If catching Trump on tape talking about grabbing women by the ##### didn't cause the necessary moral outrage to bring him down, why do they think this will?

The answer is they probably dont. But talking about it sure does drive ratings. How many "opposition" comedians, late night hosts and writers stand to lose their jobs (or at the very least, take a major dip in ratings) if they dont have Trump to beat on 2 years from now? And to a lesser extent, the same holds true to serious journalists like Maddow.

 

Serious journalists like Maddow!  :lmao:

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5 minutes ago, squistion said:

:yes:

Rantt Media‏ @RanttMedia May 18

Trump has:

Demonized immigrants

Threatened the rule of law

Refused to advocate for #GunControl

Attacked the rights of women to control their own bodies

What better message could Democrats hope for than running in opposition to such disastrous stances?

Running for something instead. 

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The general strategy being used by the democrats is to keep up relentless attacks on Trump until it either works or the people get sick of it.  If the people get sick of it, they will plan to offer some outsider candidate that pledges to not talk about Trump at all and move forward in a completely new direction in 2021.  Then you would plan on a relative unknown winning the democratic nomination in 2020, probably some calm, mild-mannered governor somewhere who is completely unconnected to Trump.  Sort of like after years of Nixon scandal, the public elected a peanut farmer from Georgia totally unconnected to the scandal. The problem is there are only 16 democrat governors compared to 33 republican governors, so the pool is shallow.  They'd have to dip into the pool of US senators.  But that's not to say Joe Biden couldn't be the nominee either, its just a roadmap.

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27 minutes ago, Riversco said:

The general strategy being used by the democrats is to keep up relentless attacks on Trump until it either works or the people get sick of it.  If the people get sick of it, they will plan to offer some outsider candidate that pledges to not talk about Trump at all and move forward in a completely new direction in 2021.  Then you would plan on a relative unknown winning the democratic nomination in 2020, probably some calm, mild-mannered governor somewhere who is completely unconnected to Trump.  Sort of like after years of Nixon scandal, the public elected a peanut farmer from Georgia totally unconnected to the scandal. The problem is there are only 16 democrat governors compared to 33 republican governors, so the pool is shallow.  They'd have to dip into the pool of US senators.  But that's not to say Joe Biden couldn't be the nominee either, its just a roadmap.

Wouldn’t our civil war involving Russia and the Chinese happen long before then so it’s a mute point?

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I am an independent and we should be a big part of the dems plans if they want to win the next go around. In the last presidential election, i purposely threw my vote away because I couldn't in good faith, vote for either of the primary candidates and I'm still proud of that today. I did vote for Obama in the 2 elections prior to this one. You lost my vote this time because you ran a candidate with as many skeletons as Trump. Bernie wasn't the answer either because he's too far left. Pelosi is bad for your side as well. Find another younger, newer candidate that is willing to reach across the isle to get things done and you will win me back.

As far as impeachment, Trump is an idiot but you don't have that smoking gun in the Russian investigation yet. If or when you do, please, get him out of there. No one really cares about the Stormy Daniels story. It's tired and old. We knew he was a dirtbag before he was elected.

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 They've had some wins and candidates polling well by distancing themselves from Pelosi and not focusing on Trump -- lets hope that keeps up

 

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2 minutes ago, JIslander said:

 and not focusing on Trump 

 

This is true and it’s wise of them not to mention Trump. But even so, Trump is somewhere on the mind of every person voting. And that will be true even more so in November. Other than possibly Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt (two men whom he does NOT resemble in any other way) Donald Trump is easily the most omnipresent figure in American political history. 

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1 hour ago, UncleZen said:

I am an independent and we should be a big part of the dems plans if they want to win the next go around. In the last presidential election, i purposely threw my vote away because I couldn't in good faith, vote for either of the primary candidates and I'm still proud of that today. I did vote for Obama in the 2 elections prior to this one. You lost my vote this time because you ran a candidate with as many skeletons as Trump. Bernie wasn't the answer either because he's too far left. Pelosi is bad for your side as well. Find another younger, newer candidate that is willing to reach across the isle to get things done and you will win me back.

As far as impeachment, Trump is an idiot but you don't have that smoking gun in the Russian investigation yet. If or when you do, please, get him out of there. No one really cares about the Stormy Daniels story. It's tired and old. We knew he was a dirtbag before he was elected.

One of the best posts in this entire thread.

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8 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Running for something instead. 

but not everything....they need to have learned this lesson.

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6 hours ago, timschochet said:

This is true and it’s wise of them not to mention Trump. But even so, Trump is somewhere on the mind of every person voting. And that will be true even more so in November. Other than possibly Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt (two men whom he does NOT resemble in any other way) Donald Trump is easily the most omnipresent figure in American political history. 

Eh, I remember democrats going absolutely crazy over George W. Bush and later here in California they went absolutely crazy over Arnold Schwarzenegger.  In both cases, the second they were out of office, they were utterly forgotten.  And in Arnold's case he just went right back to movies like nothing happened.  I'm finding it hard to believe the democrats going crazy over Trump is anything different in their minds.

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7 hours ago, UncleZen said:

I am an independent and we should be a big part of the dems plans if they want to win the next go around. In the last presidential election, i purposely threw my vote away because I couldn't in good faith, vote for either of the primary candidates and I'm still proud of that today. I did vote for Obama in the 2 elections prior to this one. You lost my vote this time because you ran a candidate with as many skeletons as Trump. Bernie wasn't the answer either because he's too far left. Pelosi is bad for your side as well. Find another younger, newer candidate that is willing to reach across the isle to get things done and you will win me back.

As far as impeachment, Trump is an idiot but you don't have that smoking gun in the Russian investigation yet. If or when you do, please, get him out of there. No one really cares about the Stormy Daniels story. It's tired and old. We knew he was a dirtbag before he was elected.

:goodposting: 

I could have written this post pretty much to a 't' (although I voted for Obama the first time, but not the second). 

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So the Republicans entire platform was to bash Obama, and they own everything.  But it won't work the other way around?  WHy not? 

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8 hours ago, UncleZen said:

I am an independent and we should be a big part of the dems plans if they want to win the next go around. In the last presidential election, i purposely threw my vote away because I couldn't in good faith, vote for either of the primary candidates and I'm still proud of that today. I did vote for Obama in the 2 elections prior to this one. You lost my vote this time because you ran a candidate with as many skeletons as Trump. Bernie wasn't the answer either because he's too far left. Pelosi is bad for your side as well. Find another younger, newer candidate that is willing to reach across the isle to get things done and you will win me back.

As far as impeachment, Trump is an idiot but you don't have that smoking gun in the Russian investigation yet. If or when you do, please, get him out of there. No one really cares about the Stormy Daniels story. It's tired and old. We knew he was a dirtbag before he was elected.

The Democrats “ran a candidate with as many skeletons as Trump”?   

Really?  

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yes

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1 minute ago, UncleZen said:

yes

Absurd.  

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It's shocking that GunZ would miss the overall point since it doesn't genuflect to the left's talking points, said no one ever. 

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31 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

It's shocking that GunZ would miss the overall point since it doesn't genuflect to the left's talking points, said no one ever. 

Dems shouldn’t waste any time trying to win over “independents” like UncleZen who think Trump and Hillary are equals. 

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1 hour ago, tommyGunZ said:

Dems shouldn’t waste any time trying to win over “independents” like UncleZen who think Trump and Hillary are equals. 

Kind of agree but I do think most of his other points are correct: we DO need younger people than Pelosi; I have written this before. We DO need people willing to work across the aisle. And his opinion about both the Russian scandal and Stormy Daniels is probably representative of most of America at this point. 

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2 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

Dems shouldn’t waste any time trying to win over “independents” like UncleZen who think Trump and Hillary are equals. 

Excellent strategy.  Ignore your own warts and beliitle independents who see the flaws in Democrats.  Obviously it is impossibke for a brilliant and honest women like Hillary to have any flaws.  I would run her again.  

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3 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

Absurd.  

How many international crooks and hundreds of millions  of dollars did Hillary"s foundation take money from in their hope to buy influence from Hillary?  You really think any of these crooks gave a crap about global warming or malaria in Africa?  

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On 5/3/2018 at 1:14 PM, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

Completely disagree with you about impeachment here.  I don't care how it polls.  I don't care if it costs the Dems votes.  Every sane American should be screaming from the rooftops that we are in the midst of a national emergency for as long as Trump remains President. 

Joe should be much more concerned with deranged posts like this (and the 17 people who liked it) than any who's hottest poll. 

It is this sort of lunacy and hate that leads people to drive to DC and attempt to assassinate GOP members at a baseball game. 

The echo chamber here is not healthy. I sincerely hope we do not read about you on the news as your house of cards conspiracy theories come crumbling down.

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17 hours ago, Leroy Hoard said:

One of the best posts in this entire thread.

If you ignore the emoluments violations, admitted obstruction of justice and attacks on the legitimate functioning of the Justice Dept., all which are worse than anything past presidents have been impeached for, including Nixon, then yeah, it's a fantastic post. 

The smoking gun(s) are right in front of you and your're not seeing them.

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6 hours ago, NFL2DF said:

Joe should be much more concerned with deranged posts like this (and the 17 people who liked it) than any who's hottest poll. 

It is this sort of lunacy and hate that leads people to drive to DC and attempt to assassinate GOP members at a baseball game. 

The echo chamber here is not healthy. I sincerely hope we do not read about you on the news as your house of cards conspiracy theories come crumbling down.

I know we're supposed to avoid personal attacks these days but the Never-Never-Trumpers, especially in here, could use a few articulate and thoughtful guys like fatguy on their side.

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18 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

Dems shouldn’t waste any time trying to win over “independents” like UncleZen who think Trump and Hillary are equals. 

I've met a lot of people in my life who suck. None of them suck equally... but they all still suck. 

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16 hours ago, jon_mx said:

How many international crooks and hundreds of millions  of dollars did Hillary"s foundation take money from in their hope to buy influence from Hillary?  You really think any of these crooks gave a crap about global warming or malaria in Africa?  

Because you know, a huge Foundation is the same as them personally benefiting financially.  Kind of like Trump's doing with his actual business. 

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15 hours ago, NFL2DF said:

Joe should be much more concerned with deranged posts like this (and the 17 people who liked it) than any who's hottest poll. 

It is this sort of lunacy and hate that leads people to drive to DC and attempt to assassinate GOP members at a baseball game. 

The echo chamber here is not healthy. I sincerely hope we do not read about you on the news as your house of cards conspiracy theories come crumbling down.

I am awfully even keeled and respectful of all sides of debates here. I try to avoid name calling and partisan politics, but I do think as long as Trump is President, we as a country have a problem. I think it is very clear that Trump is a poor leader and a poor repersentative for America. All the conspiracy theories may not be true, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump is not fit for the office and is a national embarrassment.

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2 minutes ago, James Daulton said:

Because you know, a huge Foundation is the same as them personally benefiting financially.  Kind of like Trump's doing with his actual business. 

I understand the difference on the surface, but if you dig down a layer you can start to see it is not much different.  The foundation serves as an avenue for the Clinton's to dole out huge amounts of money to their friends.   The Clinton foundation is a strange bird when it comes to charities.   They really don't provide goods and services to the poor.  They generally serve as a conduit for other charities.  And coincidentally often times those who benefit from offering not so effective services to these countries in dire need tend to be friends of Bill. 

The relief effort in Haiti was a prime example.   A ton of money flooded into Haiti and it really did not much good.  The Clinton's took a significant role in Haiti and part of the ineffectiveness was the Clinton's using US contractor's to do work instead of locals.  The travel costs and expenses of hiring outsiders ballooned costs by many many times more expensive.   Also the Clinton's secured huge financial insentives to build an industrial park which was supposed to support a hundred thousand jobs.  Instead it is just endee up a sweat shop which created a few thousand low paying jobs.   There are a lot of Haitians who hate the Clinton's.  

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21 hours ago, Sabertooth said:

So the Republicans entire platform was to bash Obama, and they own everything.  But it won't work the other way around?  WHy not? 

Bashing Obama's policies.  

I think D's should bash away at Trump on his tax plan, healthcare failure, and immigration.

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