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Nyheim Hines wasn’t one of the 2018 NFL Draft’s high-profile running backs, but he could be one of its most valuable after going in the fourth round to the Indianapolis Colts. The North Carolina State product only has one 1,000-yard season under his belt, but his speed and versatility will make him a weapon at the next level.

Hines’ strength comes from a diverse background with the Wolfpack. The former four-star recruit played both in the backfield and split out as a mismatch-creating wide receiver. In 2016, he caught more than 71 percent of his targets and finished second on the team in receptions. One year later, he filled Matthew Dayes’ vacated role as the team’s featured back and ran for 1,113 yards and 12 touchdowns as NC State won nine games for just the second time since 2003.

But will his jack-of-all-trades approach translate to the NFL? And could his proven speed make him one of the Day 3 steals of this year’s draft? Here’s what he’s bringing to the table as an early-entry prospect.
https://www.sbnation.com/2018/4/11/17193992/nyheim-hines-nfl-draft-2018-pass-catching-running-backs
 
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NC State fan here. Rooting for Hines to establish a role and make an impact. Should be valuable on special teams for sure; offense will depend on the offense and OC creativity. 

 
This year's tarik Cohen with a better QB (hopefully), a lesser RB next to him, and a better coordinator / head coach (than last year's bears). 

I'm on board. 
I don't think he's as joysticky as Cohen is but his situation is definitely one to like.  Even if Mack wins the starting job, this backfield isn't bellcow material.  

 
Anyone like jordan Wilkins better than this guy or just me?
They are such different backs, so not expecting them to be competing for snaps. Hines has the safer floor as he's guaranteed to be the COP and 3rd down guy. But he'll never be the starter. Whereas Wilkins could unseat Mack to become the starter.

 
For me it always comes back to Luck’s last couple seasons where he loves to throw the the rb in the red zone. If Hines can be that guy... I mean, Ahmad Bradshaw was an RB1 for most of a season based on being the 3rd down and 2 minute guy, Gore was an RB1 in his first year there, that role has significant value with Luck.

 
This year's tarik Cohen with a better QB (hopefully), a lesser RB next to him, and a better coordinator / head coach (than last year's bears). 

I'm on board. 


I don't think he's as joysticky as Cohen is but his situation is definitely one to like.  Even if Mack wins the starting job, this backfield isn't bellcow material.  
I agree, he’s more of a straight line speedster. Cohen is a comp to Darren Sproles where Hines is more Jahvid Best.

 
I don't think he's as joysticky as Cohen is but his situation is definitely one to like.  Even if Mack wins the starting job, this backfield isn't bellcow material.  
True. Almost nobody is. I'm thinking more of utilization but you're right he's not as joysticky or fluid. 

 
Anyone like jordan Wilkins better than this guy or just me?
Hines went about a round earlier than Wilkins in my dynasty league. After both were off the board, a couple owners mentioned they see the two Indy rookie RBs as having similar value. As the Hines owner, I don’t agree, but I respect what both bring to the table.  When I listened to the post-draft interview of Reich and Ballard, I got the impression that they hope to use Hines in a bunch of different ways, but see roles for multiple backs, including Wilkins. I definitely think it’s a full-blown committee, if things work out as leadership hopes. 

 
I agree, he’s more of a straight line speedster. Cohen is a comp to Darren Sproles where Hines is more Jahvid Best.
Best is an interesting comp, and similar size (a little taller, maybe?). I loved watching Best at Cal and with the Lions. As a Hines owner, maybe I am drawn to this type of skill set? 

 
Best is an interesting comp, and similar size (a little taller, maybe?). I loved watching Best at Cal and with the Lions. As a Hines owner, maybe I am drawn to this type of skill set? 
Obviously he’s not as good as Best (at least to this point) but he also doesn’t have the concussion issue Best did. It’s a shame about Jahvid, he would’ve have a great career had he been able to stay healthy. It’s definitely a fun skill set. 

 
Colts HC Frank Reich said RB Nyheim Hines' pass-catching skills were "very impressive".

Reich also said Hines' intelligence was evident. Colts have already confirmed Hines will play both running back and slot receiver to best utilize his 4.38 40-speed. He should be given an opportunity in camp to compete with Marlon Mack, Jordan Wilkins, and Robert Turbin for early-down carries. Despite being in a committee, Hines is likely to have value in PPR leagues immediately.

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Source: Andrew Walker on Twitter 

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Obviously he’s not as good as Best (at least to this point) but he also doesn’t have the concussion issue Best did. It’s a shame about Jahvid, he would’ve have a great career had he been able to stay healthy. It’s definitely a fun skill set. 
I don't know why that's obvious.

 
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Looking at what Frank Reich did with guys like Darren Sproles and Danny Woodhead in previous coaching stops should make us very excited about Hines' potential in the offense, even if it is a PHI-style 4-way RBBC. Hines reported that he was asked to line up as a WR and run the full route tree in workouts, and IND doesn't have an established slot receiver. Hines has the speed to break big plays a la Chris Thompson.

 
He could easily be in that Ahmad Bradshaw role for Luck if Luck comes back to form. It’s tiring to see reports harp on this guy’s size. I get it, he’s no bull dozer, but his game is speed. Fastest RB at the combine, would’ve been the 3rd fastest at WR and he was disappointed with his time. He plays his speed and was asked to play both RB and WR full time in different years in college. He may not be a bell cow but he could be. We’ve  seen Dion Lewis do it, we’ve seen Jamaal Charles do it, we’ve seen Chris Johnson do it. Worst case, he’s Danny Woodhead and that is a pretty valuable piece for a worst case player who is the 9th rb taken in rookie drafts

 
He could easily be in that Ahmad Bradshaw role for Luck if Luck comes back to form. It’s tiring to see reports harp on this guy’s size. I get it, he’s no bull dozer, but his game is speed. Fastest RB at the combine, would’ve been the 3rd fastest at WR and he was disappointed with his time. He plays his speed and was asked to play both RB and WR full time in different years in college. He may not be a bell cow but he could be. We’ve  seen Dion Lewis do it, we’ve seen Jamaal Charles do it, we’ve seen Chris Johnson do it. Worst case, he’s Danny Woodhead and that is a pretty valuable piece for a worst case player who is the 9th rb taken in rookie drafts
I am a NC State alum and fan and watched all of Hines' games. I hope he succeeds.

But to say his worst case is Woodhead is wrong. His worst case is that he never establishes a non-trivial role on offense, and primarily plays special teams, where he is very good both as a returner and as a gunner.

 
I am a NC State alum and fan and watched all of Hines' games. I hope he succeeds.

But to say his worst case is Woodhead is wrong. His worst case is that he never establishes a non-trivial role on offense, and primarily plays special teams, where he is very good both as a returner and as a gunner.
yes,  best case he's a Woodhead type player. there's not much chance, imo, that he becomes much more than a receiver and special teams guy

 
I much prefer Wilkins' ADP to Hines' simply due to the upside-to-cost ratio.

Hines will never be a feature back, IMO. Classic case of higher floor vs higher ceiling.

 
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I'm not seeing the Woodhead comps - a stout chain mover. Hines is much more of a big play specialist. I like the Jahvid Best comp a little better.

 
this is why I drafted him. I see him as potentially just as used in the passing game
So you are expecting him to get more than 100 targets? I’ll take the under. Way under.

His full season peak in college was 43 catches, and that was 2 seasons ago, when he played WR full time.

 
So you are expecting him to get more than 100 targets? I’ll take the under. Way under.

His full season peak in college was 43 catches, and that was 2 seasons ago, when he played WR full time.
The point is people are drafting McCaffrey in round 2 and Hines in round 8-10. Whose the bestter value in your eyes? And with a healthy Andrew Luck, it’s probable that Hines exceeds current expectations.

 
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So you are expecting him to get more than 100 targets? I’ll take the under. Way under.

His full season peak in college was 43 catches, and that was 2 seasons ago, when he played WR full time.
I forget where I'm posting sometimes. In the land of the nitpick and semantics. 

No. I do not expect him to get more than 100 targets

He could, however, be an integral part of the passing offense out of the backfield. I see him as a guy who can have incredible value being used as a Sproles-like back. I won't even say how many targets or receptions I see him getting, because it would be pulling a number out of thin air. However, if Indianapolis drafted him to use him to his strengths as a pass catching back, I don't think it's unreasonable to see him out performing his projections. 

FBG has him projected as RB58 in PPR with 21 receptions. I'll take the over. Way over. (They also have him listed as age of 2018 :lol:  )

 
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Why can’t Hines be this year’s McCaffrey? 
Because McCafrrey was a to 10 draft pick and saw heavy volume - Hines has little hope of seeing 100 targets in the passing game. He could be a similar player, but Mack and Turbin are both useful in the passing game as well. I drafted Hines in the mid-second of one league, so I am intrigued by him - but if he gets half the receptions McCaffrey got as a rookie, I'll consider that a win.

 
The point is people are drafting McCaffrey in round 2 and Hines in round 8-10. Whose the bestter value in your eyes? And with a healthy Andrew Luck, it’s probable that Hines exceeds current expectations.
If McCaffrey finishes as RB12 and Hines finishes as RB53, then McCaffrey. I understand the concept of value but sometimes there's a reason why one player has an ADP of round 2 and another has an ADP of round 10.

 
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Because McCafrrey was a to 10 draft pick and saw heavy volume - Hines has little hope of seeing 100 targets in the passing game. He could be a similar player, but Mack and Turbin are both useful in the passing game as well. I drafted Hines in the mid-second of one league, so I am intrigued by him - but if he gets half the receptions McCaffrey got as a rookie, I'll consider that a win.
I think 40-50 receptions is realistic. Let's say he's used as Sproles was, getting 60 targets (low for sproles). If he's 65% efficient (about 10% below sproles) he's at 40 receptions. 
I imagine he will get a few carries here and there, but nothing ridiculous.

No one is expecting this guy to be top 10. I think the potential is there. If he gets 50-60 receptions then we are looking at possibly >10 point per game average. 

 
The point is people are drafting McCaffrey in round 2 and Hines in round 8-10. Whose the bestter value in your eyes? And with a healthy Andrew Luck, it’s probable that Hines exceeds current expectations.
I probably wouldn’t draft McCaffrey in round 2, but if I am forced to choose between these options, I choose McCaffrey. :shrug:  

 
The point is people are drafting McCaffrey in round 2 and Hines in round 8-10. Whose the bestter value in your eyes?
McCaffrey. Of course McCaffrey.

If you pass on McCaffrey with the plan/hope of getting Hines in round 8-10 then you're doing value wrong.

 
I forget where I'm posting sometimes. In the land of the nitpick and semantics. 
You posted that you could see him “just as used in the passing game” as McCaffrey. 

“Just as used” implies similar snaps, routes, targets, etc. 

It is not nitpicking or semantics to take your post at face value. If you didn’t really mean what you posted, you should be clearer in your posting. :shrug:  

 
I could see a very healthy amount of receptions...the Colts are not good...I see them playing a lot of catch-up this year...if Hines takes the role of the pass-catching back (obviously this is the key) I could see the potential for 60-70 receptions...he really has the opportunity to get a bunch of garbage time stats...the situation in Indy seems ripe for that...

 
You posted that you could see him “just as used in the passing game” as McCaffrey. 

“Just as used” implies similar snaps, routes, targets, etc. 

It is not nitpicking or semantics to take your post at face value. If you didn’t really mean what you posted, you should be clearer in your posting. :shrug:  
Forest through the trees JWB... forest through the trees...

I was addressing the bigger issue that I can see him as an important piece of the passing offense, as previously demonstrated in 2017 by CMC for example.

FTR I did specify with "potentially used" so there's that. He could potentially have 100 targets I guess. That potential could be slim, but it's potential nonetheless :shrug:  

 
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Just yesterday his coach compared him to McCaffrey.  Wait, sorry, that was McCluster.

The Colts love Nyheim Hines. Sirianni did a nice job of explaining what Hines can do for the Colts. “It’s hard to understand defensively in my mind how you are going to play him. He reminds me of a Dexter McCluster (who Sirianni was with in Kansas City) type. Teams didn’t know what he was each week. Is he playing wide receiver? Is he playing running back? What is he? How do I defend him? All of a sudden you’re on the offensive and they’re on the defensive. And that’s how it’s supposed to be.”

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McCaffrey. Of course McCaffrey.

If you pass on McCaffrey with the plan/hope of getting Hines in round 8-10 then you're doing value wrong.
It’s obviously not an either or situation. People who are infatuated with McCaffrey should also like Hines because their situation is not that different. I think people are dramatically undervaluing Hines.

 
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Just yesterday his coach compared him to McCaffrey.  Wait, sorry, that was McCluster.

The Colts love Nyheim Hines. Sirianni did a nice job of explaining what Hines can do for the Colts. “It’s hard to understand defensively in my mind how you are going to play him. He reminds me of a Dexter McCluster (who Sirianni was with in Kansas City) type. Teams didn’t know what he was each week. Is he playing wide receiver? Is he playing running back? What is he? How do I defend him? All of a sudden you’re on the offensive and they’re on the defensive. And that’s how it’s supposed to be.”

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If he turns into McCluster does that mean we have to pick him up and cut him 10 times over his first few years like everyone did with McCluster...

 
If he turns into McCluster does that mean we have to pick him up and cut him 10 times over his first few years like everyone did with McCluster...
This strikes me as a very reasonable projection for Hines in most small-roster leagues.

 
It’s obviously not an either or situation. People who are infatuated with McCaffrey should also like Hines because their situation is not that different. I think people are dramatically undervaluing Hines.
It's just a weird comp for a value play.  You take CJ Anderson as value over McCaffrey or Aaron Jones as a value play over Ty Montgomery (clearly they are much closer in ADP but one is a better value play than the other) or you take Hines as a value play over Mack.

Point being is the possibility of grabbing Hines shouldn't be used as a reason to pass on McCaffrey.

 
if Hines takes the role of the pass-catching back (obviously this is the key) I could see the potential for 60-70 receptions
Luck was the Colts starting QB from 2012-2016, and the Colts never had a RB with more than 38 receptions in any of those seasons; that happened 2 times, once by Bradshaw (2014) and once by Gore (2016). A Colts RB only had more than 28 receptions 1 other time (Gore, 2015).

Meanwhile, in college, even when he played WR full time, Hines' season high was 43 receptions. In his final season, he played RB and had 26 receptions.

I will take the under on 60 receptions - way under.

 
It’s obviously not an either or situation. People who are infatuated with McCaffrey should also like Hines because their situation is not that different. I think people are dramatically undervaluing Hines.
Their situations are drastically different...

1 has a QB who can actually stay healthy while the other has giant question marks around him

1 has a foundation of an o-line to improve upon the other just took their o-line this year in hopes they can patch it for now

1 has little to no competition in front of him both for carries and catches while the other has 4 other guys everyone has been hyping up as well

1 has proved his route running is elite as a RB and that he can run the ball (although not super effectively, at least yet) the other is all hype

1 has a top10 draft pedigree while the other is a 4th round draft pick

I sort of like Hines, but I'm much more a Mack fan.  But these situations are not even remotely similar.  

 

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