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Stuart Ullman

Stuart Ullman

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Share a bounceback player for 2018!

25 years old
6 foot 1, 230 lbs

No, it's not a Rookie from the draft, it's Jeremy Hill! Still young and full of talent, Jeremy Hill finds himself in a position to be the short yardage / goalline back for the New England Patriots. Like Legarette Blount who came before him, there is plenty of value to be had vulturing touchdowns from Tom Brady.

 
Stuart Ullman said:
Share a bounceback player for 2018!

25 years old
6 foot 1, 230 lbs

No, it's not a Rookie from the draft, it's Jeremy Hill! Still young and full of talent, Jeremy Hill finds himself in a position to be the short yardage / goalline back for the New England Patriots. Like Legarette Blount who came before him, there is plenty of value to be had vulturing touchdowns from Tom Brady.
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Certainly possible. 

I do not think Hill has been very good but he is very effective at the goal line and could score a lot of TD with the Patriots.

Low hanging fruit for bouncing back would be Andrew Luck and TY Hilton.

 
He had a bounce back after being traded, but can see Jay Ajayi showing signs of the player we thought he was after 2016. Prolific offense and one fewer mouth to feed with Blount gone.

 
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Jeremy Hill is not good. Michel is, though.

These are my picks. I can't say I feel great about the odds, but how can you after a down year?

QB: Tannehill
WR: Crabtree
RB: Dixon
TE: Eifert

I tried to pick ones not already picked, but I really like the selections of Cobb, Crowell, and Lynch. Had to look really hard to find a 3rd RB. Dixon is admittedly a stretch. 

 
QB: Andy Dalton, gets Eifert/Ross back, with a better o-line. Good QBBC guy.

RB: Lamar Miller, was an RB1 when Watson was playing last year, and I don't view Foreman/Blue as serious threats. Solid RB2.

WR: DeSean Jackson, another year with Winston, just missed so many big plays last year. Solid WR3, with WR2 upside.

TE: Ben Watson, was a top-10 TE last time he played with Brees, with Fleener gone, he's a good TEBC guy.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Adding Jordy Nelson to this as well. Raiders have more depth at O-line, and while there is a lot still to be worked out there, giving Carr an extra second in the pocket is going to be very meaningful for this offense.
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And Derek Carr with body Jordy Nelson and Amari Cooper candidates for coming back

 
Mine are based on bad performance, not missing chunks of games to injury.

QB: Eli (unless injuries count, then it’s obviously Luck and Tannehill). He’ll get OBJ back, a better offensive system, and Barkley to take attention of the defense.

RB: Abudullah... just kidding. Howard. I know he has a decent season last year but it was slightly underwhelming. He’s primed for a lot of TDs this year. Cohen will be there but I think Howard can hold him off because they will want to grind the ball.

WR: both the Broncos. It’s cheating a little bit they will both be money this year with a competent QB. Picking that offense as a whole to be very productive.

TE: Enron. Different team and with Luck back, we know the TE will be targetted. Doyle is a possession guy and Ebron has never been used to his potential

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Jeremy hill will,be lucky to make the pats roster
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WRONG

He's easily the best Goalline and short-yardage back on the team. Possibly the best pass blocker, too. The guy is 6 foot 1 and 230 lbs. Nobody else on the Patriots is really built to take on that role better than him. When healthy, Hill put up 9, 11, and 9 touchdowns in his first 3 seasons.

 
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gabes1919 said:
Mine are based on bad performance, not missing chunks of games to injury.

QB: Eli (unless injuries count, then it’s obviously Luck and Tannehill). He’ll get OBJ back, a better offensive system, and Barkley to take attention of the defense.

RB: Abudullah... just kidding. Howard. I know he has a decent season last year but it was slightly underwhelming. He’s primed for a lot of TDs this year. Cohen will be there but I think Howard can hold him off because they will want to grind the ball.

WR: both the Broncos. It’s cheating a little bit they will both be money this year with a competent QB. Picking that offense as a whole to be very productive.

TE: Enron. Different team and with Luck back, we know the TE will be targetted. Doyle is a possession guy and Ebron has never been used to his potential
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:kicksrock:   Damn Lions' running backs.  Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

 
zamboni said:
I agree. And even if he does, he's got Michel, Burkhead and White all competing with him for touches.
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Michel, a rookie who is an unproven pass blocker.
Burkhead and White combined for 107 carries last year; they combined for 86 catches. They didn't sign Hill to catch passes.

I see a clear opening for an early yardage grinder / goalline specialist

 
FF Ninja said:
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Jeremy Hill is not good. Michel is, though.

These are my picks. I can't say I feel great about the odds, but how can you after a down year?

QB: Tannehill
WR: Crabtree
RB: Dixon
TE: Eifert

I tried to pick ones not already picked, but I really like the selections of Cobb, Crowell, and Lynch. Had to look really hard to find a 3rd RB. Dixon is admittedly a stretch. 
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Jeremy Hill doesn't have to be good, all he needs is opportunity. He's proven he can score touchdowns by the 9, 11, and 9 touchdowns he scored his first three seasons. You don't even know if Michel can pass block, we know Jeremy Hill at 6 ft 1 and 230 lbs is an excellent pass blocker.

I wouldn't be so easy to dismiss Jeremy Hill a proven pass blocker over a rookie who hasn't proved a damn thing in the NFL. You gotta keep Tom Brady upright to stay on the field.

 
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Stuart Ullman said:
Michel, a rookie who is an unproven pass blocker.
Burkhead and White combined for 107 carries last year; they combined for 86 catches. They didn't sign Hill to catch passes.

I see a clear opening for an early yardage grinder / goalline specialist
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Major difference between an opportunity and seizing it.  Hill stinks 

 
Amused to Death said:
:kicksrock:   Damn Lions' running backs.  Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
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As we all get a semi-chub from Keryon Johnson who nobody seems to like buuuuut gets us all a little moist when we remember they traded UP to get him

 
Skeletore Eh said:
Major difference between an opportunity and seizing it.  Hill stinks 
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If you say so, Legarette Blount scored 18 touchdowns two-years ago in the same exact offense. Somebody will be the goalline back in that offense and right now, it's looking like it's Jeremy Hill. Go ahead and ignore that and let somebody else roster a guy with 20 touchdown potential.

In 2016, Legarette Blount scored 17 of his 18 touchdowns on the Opp 19-1 Yard Line. The one thing Jeremy Hill has proven he can do is SCORE touchdowns and he will be given plenty of opportunity to do that. But if you want to just write him off, fine by me, lol. 

 
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Stuart Ullman said:
Michel, a rookie who is an unproven pass blocker.
Burkhead and White combined for 107 carries last year; they combined for 86 catches. They didn't sign Hill to catch passes.

I see a clear opening for an early yardage grinder / goalline specialist
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They also didn’t draft Michel in the first round to sit on the bench. 

Pass pro will indeed be a determining factor for Michel’s playing time, but that might be the only obstacle to a meaningful role right out of the gate.

 
gabes1919 said:
Amused to Death said:
:kicksrock:   Damn Lions' running backs.  Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
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As we all get a semi-chub from Keryon Johnson who nobody seems to like buuuuut gets us all a little moist when we remember they traded UP to get him
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I hope he works out for you.  As a previous owner of Kevin Jones and Ameer Abdullah, someone else can draft this Detroit RB.

 
zamboni said:
They also didn’t draft Michel in the first round to sit on the bench. 

Pass pro will indeed be a determining factor for Michel’s playing time, but that might be the only obstacle to a meaningful role right out of the gate.
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I would add that ball security will also be a major obstacle for Michel as he fumbled quite a bit in college.

 
Amused to Death said:
I hope he works out for you.  As a previous owner of Kevin Jones and Ameer Abdullah, someone else can draft this Detroit RB.
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I can see how most would be hesitant on Detroit RBs based on past history, but it's a whole new regime with Matty Patty.

For a similar reason, I am not staying away from drafting Chubb even though he's in Cleveland. I'll take an RB in a Todd Haley-coached offense any day. But I digress - that is for the rookie RB thread.

 
Zyphros said:
Easiest answer is 

David Johnson.  He's so forgotten right now and good god this boy is going for over 2k yardage this year.  Bet.  
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This is a good one. Technically there is nothing to bounce back from considering he played about one half of one game last year. But he does seem to have slipped in the RB rankings to the lower part of the top 5. Even with Arians gone, I can't see how they don't feed Johnson any less than Arians would have. 

 
Stuart Ullman said:
Jeremy Hill doesn't have to be good, all he needs is opportunity. He's proven he can score touchdowns by the 9, 11, and 9 touchdowns he scored his first three seasons. You don't even know if Michel can pass block, we know Jeremy Hill at 6 ft 1 and 230 lbs is an excellent pass blocker.

I wouldn't be so easy to dismiss Jeremy Hill a proven pass blocker over a rookie who hasn't proved a damn thing in the NFL. You gotta keep Tom Brady upright to stay on the field.
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Wait wat? The scouting on him says he's one of the best pass blockers in this class of RBs. I honestly haven't read anything about Jeremy Hill as a pass blocker, so I don't know if what you say is true. But he's not good enough to get on the field so what does it matter? Sure, he can fall in the endzone when given enough goal line carries, but that's not really special. With Burkhead and Michel on the roster, Hill won't see the volume he requires to be fantasy relevant without receptions. And James White is liable to swoop in and catch some 2 yard TD passes, as well. Finally, Hill's contract is very cuttable. It's possible that neither he nor Gillislee even make the team, much less play a large role. 

 
Rating pass blocking is ####### stupid for fantasy. Kareem Hunt stayed in to pass block 11% of the time last season and was rated terribly. CMC, rated terribly as a pass blocker. Javorius Allen, who you can snicker at but who has caught close to 50 balls in the two seasons he’s actually been used and considered a third down back, terrible at pass blocking. CJ Prosise coming out of college: terrible at pass blocking, yet, apparently good enough for the host of this site to diminish a certain rookies time share based on his own ability to pass block  :loco: . It’s a preposterous line of thinking. You know who pass blocks well?: Zeke Elliot. You know who doesn’t get sent out on routes to catch footballs?: Zeke Elliot. I could give two ####s about pass blocking and so does the NFL because if they can’t do it and they can catch a football they go run routes. If you own Alex Collins or Lagarrette Blount, maybe worry.

 
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Bojang0301 said:
Rating pass blocking is ####### stupid for fantasy. Kareem Hunt stayed in to pass block 11% of the time last season and was rated terribly. CMC, rated terribly as a pass blocker. Javorius Allen, who you can snicker at but who has caught close to 50 balls in the two seasons he’s actually been used and considered a third down back, terrible at pass blocking. CJ Prosise coming out of college: terrible at pass blocking, yet, apparently good enough for the host of this site to diminish a certain rookies time share based on his own ability to pass block  :loco: . It’s a preposterous line of thinking. You know who pass blocks well?: Zeke Elliot. You know who doesn’t get sent out on routes to catch footballs?: Zeke Elliot. I could give two ####s about pass blocking and so does the NFL because if they can’t do it and they can catch a football they go run routes. If you own Alex Collins or Lagarrette Blount, maybe worry.
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How eloquent of you. If you can't pass block, you ride the pine. All it takes is one blown assignment getting your Quarterback lit-up to ride the bench. If you're a defense and you know that the RB in the game is a poor blocker, you either:

A.) Send your best bull rusher at him to take advantage of his weakness.
B.) Send your best blitz package against them, knowing the offensive line has no backup because the RB is likely going to be running a route.

Point is, RBs are a dime a dozen. QBs are not. The #1 goal of any offense is to keep the Quarterback upright. A running back who can't pass block will make an offense one dimensional because when he's on the field, you know the offense isn't passing so you can just stack the box and put your best coverage safety / linebacker on the runningback.

 
Stuart Ullman said:
How eloquent of you. If you can't pass block, you ride the pine. All it takes is one blown assignment getting your Quarterback lit-up to ride the bench. If you're a defense and you know that the RB in the game is a poor blocker, you either:

A.) Send your best bull rusher at him to take advantage of his weakness.
B.) Send your best blitz package against them, knowing the offensive line has no backup because the RB is likely going to be running a route.

Point is, RBs are a dime a dozen. QBs are not. The #1 goal of any offense is to keep the Quarterback upright. A running back who can't pass block will make an offense one dimensional because when he's on the field, you know the offense isn't passing so you can just stack the box and put your best coverage safety / linebacker on the runningback.
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Well, that’s an opinion and not fact. Soooooo....

 
Reference #1

Reference #2

Just because you keep repeating to yourself how important pass blocking is, does not make it true. It’s the great myth of football. Do teams care? Sure. To what extent, that can be greatly argued. Sure seems to me that if they can catch passes teams are likely to not give a #### at all.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Reference #1

Reference #2

Just because you keep repeating to yourself how important pass blocking is, does not make it true. It’s the great myth of football. Do teams care? Sure. To what extent, that can be greatly argued. Sure seems to me that if they can catch passes teams are likely to not give a #### at all.
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You seem a little unhinged, lol. I'm not going to argue common sense football with you. If you don't understand that pass blocking = more snaps, more snaps = more opportunity, more opportunity = more fantasy points.  That's fine, I don't really care.

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

 
Stuart Ullman said:
You seem a little unhinged, lol. I'm not going to argue common sense football with you. If you don't understand that pass blocking = more snaps, more snaps = more opportunity, more opportunity = more fantasy points.  That's fine, I don't really care.

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.
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Lol, you provide nothing of fact. 

Here is one more reference to your wrongness showing that there is no correlation to fantasy output and pass blocking efficiency:

Reference #3

 
Stuart Ullman said:
You seem a little unhinged, lol. I'm not going to argue common sense football with you. If you don't understand that pass blocking = more snaps, more snaps = more opportunity, more opportunity = more fantasy points.  That's fine, I don't really care.

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.
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Enjoy your “sleeper” Jeremy Hill friend. We can revisit how many points his awesome pass blocking got him at the end of the season. 

 
Bojang0301 said:
Lol, you provide nothing of fact. 

Here is one more reference to your wrongness showing that there is no correlation to fantasy output and pass blocking efficiency:

Reference #3
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Dude, I don't even know what the hell you're arguing. I think Michel is going to have a great year, I just think Jeremy Hill can score 10+ touchdowns in New England's offense this year. I don't care that you don't understand that pass blocking is important to a Running Back seeing playing time, especially as a Rookie.

 
Stuart Ullman said:
Dude, I don't even know what the hell you're arguing. I think Michel is going to have a great year, I just think Jeremy Hill can score 10+ touchdowns in New England's offense this year. I don't care that you don't understand that pass blocking is important to a Running Back seeing playing time, especially as a Rookie.
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Ya, well you’re entitled to your wrong opinion pal. Go throw on the 80’s Bears and tell yourself how enlightened you are pal.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Enjoy your “sleeper” Jeremy Hill friend. We can revisit how many points his awesome pass blocking got him at the end of the season. 
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Bro, take a look in the mirror. You're absolutely unhinged. I think Sony Michel can have a great season. I think Jeremy Hill can have a great season. You're literally going after me because I said a Rookie RB might not see playing time this season because of being a pass blocking liability. If you want to disagree with that, I could care less. It makes sense to me and the rest of the people here who understand football.

Might Michel catch a few passes and score a few touchdowns? Sure thing, I hope he does great.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Ya, well you’re entitled to your wrong opinion pal. Go throw on the 80’s Bears and tell yourself how enlightened you are pal.
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Dude, you literally started this entire argument with me. How are you even going to sit here and throw shade at me? I started a thread to discuss bounceback players.

It's just common sense that a Runningback CAN'T CATCH THE BALL if he's on the bench because the coach doesn't trust him to pass block. You can't argue that. I never said you can't be a viable fantasy contributor if you don't pass block well, only that your opportunity is limited. If you want to argue that, you're arguing against basic logic.

 
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