Dude it's not complicated.
If you thought the worst imaginable result for Chase Edmonds today was 10+ fantasy points, then you deserve all of the criticism you've gotten, because that's ridiculous.
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RB Chase Edmonds, TB (1 Viewer)
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If you thought the worst imaginable result for Chase Edmonds today was 10+ fantasy points, then you deserve all of the criticism you've gotten, because that's ridiculous.
I’ll be curious to see if this builds a case for a greater share going forward. I don’t think it’ll be 50% but I do agree he’s earned more touches. He’s looked good all season. Plus the coaches talked him up as more than a cop guy in the offseason.
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The Frankman
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Nice job on the Injury Report there, Arizona.
Wrigley
Footballguy
Went back and forth between AP and Edmonds, luckily went with Edmonds
truth be told, I was a minute late switching AP back into my lineup(better to be lucky than good I guess)
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Hope you kept the receipt for that crystal ball. Also, when all the big stats line up in the last 3 weeks in a row, some might say that's identifying a trend, not cherry picking.
The Frankman
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Still pretty irresponsible by the Cards, Edmonds was running on fumes on a couple carries there.
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Shutout
Footballguy
He was throwing up at one point. They didn't add a RB. Makes me think they didn't plan this or they are clueless on player management.
The Frankman
Footballguy
If it was the back that "mysteriously" flared up, then you have to assume Edmonds is a upside FLEX the rest of the season, where he could turn into an RB1 if DJ gets hurt again.
Crystal ball? You mean for the below?Seems a pretty accurate assessment. Or are you proclaiming, after the fact, that we just saw the proverbial “changing of the guard” with Edmonds pushing DJ to the bench? If not, then your post numb is asinine.
Has to be this. No way they ran him out there as a decoy for basically a single play, then ran Edmonds into the ground.
LittlePhatty
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Had to search to figure out what you’re talking about, but I think I figured it out. It you meant the “2 of 7 weeks,” that was an error. Meant 2 of 6 (his games played).
I never once forward projected anything other than what it seemed Edmond’s limitations were with a healthy David Johnson in the fold. If you took that as me saying he was going to score less than 4 points this week, then I can see where you wanted to come back and make me eat crow. I may be foolish, but I’m not that foolish.
dipandglide
Footballguy
This guy needs more love. I don’t see how this isn’t a time share moving forward.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Been worried about that for a while. David Johnson just isn't great at running the ball. He's really a receiving back.
There probably is room for both. The WR core is pretty mediocre. I highly doubt Edmonds becomes the lead RB, but he's earned a decent share. I'd still probably guess 65-35 in favor of Johnson, but its possible that is out of 30+ touches every week. Edmonds can see 10+ carries and 2-3 targets, and Johnson can see 12+ carries and 7-8 targets.
Ultimately, there is no reason both these guys can't co-exist, both workload wise, and actually on the field together. Its not like the Cards have much else right now.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I think I just found the solution to my rb issue in my startup league
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
for sure. My other options arent great but IMO he has earned more work and there is zero cha ce they leave him on the bench even if DJ is healthy. The volume in this offense can handle 2 rbs
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
I think I will, too. He was on my bench today, but this wasn't a fluke performance. Kid has some serious talent.
EBF
Footballguy
Frankly, he's looked a lot better than DJ this season. DJ has looked stiff and been ineffective running the ball. A lot of these projections are based on his reputation and not his current form. I'm not saying this job has flipped to Edmonds, but it's a fluid situation and he's been the better player this year.
I think Murray and the system help too. He seems to have good vision and more burst than DJ.
ATB
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Counterpoint
Edmunds had 11 carries before playing the Falcons, Bengals and giants.
David Johnson is averaging 4 ypc and 10.5 ypr with 5 touchdowns and he hurt his ankle mid way through one of those good matchups and missed another.
With the cardinals barely on national tv to begin with, and their one nationally televised game being a perfect storm for Edmunds, this feels like an opportunity to profit on the overreaction.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
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Wow.
Wow.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Counter counter point
David Johnson's YPC since his rookie year
4.2
2.1 (one game lol)
3.6
3.9
To be fair, Johnson's 3.6 was better than Edmonds 3.5 last year, despite having much more defensive attention, and a lot of short yardage carries.
Johnson is playing every bit as well as his 2015-2016 by my eyes. He's just not being fed to that extent, and that isn't likely to change.
I like Edmonds, and have argued even before the season in the Johnson thread, that he is as good if not better at running than Johnson, but Johnson is better in short yardage, pass blocking, and crushes him(and all but maybe 2-3 guys in the NFL) as a pass catcher.
When Johnson is healthy, its hard to see a scenario where Edmonds sees more than 35% of the work. As Edmonds has proved, and really wasn't really in doubt, he's a great handcuff.
Fixed.
DJ hasn't been able to stay healthy historically. Obviously I don't know enough about this injury but this might be a case where he needs to be shut down for a few weeks or he will keep re-aggravating his ankle. DJ doesn't want to lose his job so he probably doesn't want to rest for too long but I doubt Edmonds will have many games like he did yesterday
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whole-show
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I see the Cardinals are bringing in Ajayi for a workout tomorrow. Don’t really get it but figured I’d share.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
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Spencer Ware going to workout for the Cardinals, too. I'd imagine this is a reflection of David Johnson's health.
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skinsrule05
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Saw an update on Sleeper Bot that AZ is working out Spencer Ware. That could mean DJ is in worse shape than they let on. Edmonds will need a breather.
man, damn near the whole season id been wanting to roster edmonds because of his situation but was hamstrung holding on to fringe WR3's that were too good to drop but not good enough to use.... congrats to everyone that has him... the fact they are working out backs is a strong indicator DJ is missing a game or more.
Been thinking of offering Chase Edmonds to the D.J. owner in my league for Tevin Coleman (I have Breida), with the thinking that we’d each basically lock down their respective run units. After the news that the Cards are working out other RBs today, I’m leaning towards holding Chase for now.
Mario Wario
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Or what if it has something to do with DJ Foster being hurt with a bad hammy (which takes longer to heal) and seeing Chase getting tired/vomiting as the game went on, thanks to the heavy workload and poor planning by the team. Ware and Ajayi are the best FA RBs available, so why not add depth to be safe, regardless of David’s health status? That being said, I would have loved to have seen that “emergency plan” yesterday if David and Chase were done for the day. I wonder if Fitz would have been the RB?
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EBF
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I think that would be a big mistake, as Edmonds is a lot more likely to have a strong finish than either SF RB, IMO.
I wish I listened to Bloom and Hot Sauce Guy. I started Singletary - puke! It seems like there is a lot of Edmonds hate which I don't get in this thread. I think he will have a role in PPR going forward even when DJ is healthy. Great bye week fill in and potential stud from here on out.
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ATB
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You don’t sign the best FA available to replace a 3rd stringer.Or what if it has something to do with DJ Foster being hurt with a bad hammy (which takes longer to heal) and seeing Chase getting tired/vomiting as the game went on, thanks to the heavy workload and poor planning by the team. Ware and Ajayi are the best FA RBs available, so why not add depth to be safe, regardless of David’s health status? That being said, I would have loved to have seen that “emergency plan” yesterday if David and Chase were done for the day. I wonder if Fitz would have been the RB?
EBF
Footballguy
Well, a certain amount of that is DJ owners trying to rationalize the situation, especially those who don't also have Edmonds.
If Edmonds has a good second half of the season and helps FF teams in the playoffs then there will be a lot of appreciation because people always love the players they get for cheap who end up being big contributors, but right now he's still an enigma. Maybe he'll be an important player or maybe not.
What encourages me personally is not that he had three TDs this week, but rather that he has LOOKED really good this season. His acceleration and quickness stand out, and he looks bigger/stronger than in the past. Based on the eyeball test and the production, he seems like a guy that AZ will want to keep utilizing.
DJ doesnt have the same burst to take it to the house like Edmonds... I own both and have watched all the games this season... DJ elite pass catching and blocking... Edmonds way better in between the tackles .... I never watched DJ until this year... was he quick or faster b4 his hand injury? Either way whoever the bell cow is will reap mad benefits
heckmanm
Footballguy
I survived starting DJ over Edmonds, but am glad to have both going forward.
One think I'm kicking myself about is that I have them in a salary cap league (salaries increase yearly based on positional ranking), and I dropped Edmonds a few weeks back for a FA flyer when I had him at the minimum salary, and then had to bid high to get him back. So now I have him at almost the same salary as DJ (6-7% of total cap).
I basically made him WAY more expensive to keep for 2020, especially as a backup. If they traded one or moved DJ to a WR spot I'd be golden.
One think I'm kicking myself about is that I have them in a salary cap league (salaries increase yearly based on positional ranking), and I dropped Edmonds a few weeks back for a FA flyer when I had him at the minimum salary, and then had to bid high to get him back. So now I have him at almost the same salary as DJ (6-7% of total cap).
I basically made him WAY more expensive to keep for 2020, especially as a backup. If they traded one or moved DJ to a WR spot I'd be golden.
Mario Wario
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skinsrule05
Footballguy
You know how many RBs scored 10 or more ppr points in 16 games last season? Zero.
In 2017? Zero.
2016? Zero.
2015? Zero.
If you were to argue that a guy like Barkley or McCaffrey or Elliott has a 10 point floor, I wouldn't argue the point, even though it's technically incorrect.
Chase Edmonds though? GTFO with that nonsense. He's already fallen short of 10 points 4 times this season.
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Hot Sauce Guy was only talking about that game and that opponent and was giving his opinion for that game. He wasn't talking ROS which is what I read from his comments. If he were talking ROS I would agree with you that it would be complete nonsense. I don't think projecting a floor of 10 points last week was nonsense at all. We knew DJ was injured and his coach said he wouldn't play if the game were played on Friday. If one is projecting it is easy to say they will not run DJ to the ground. If you look at his last 2 games you saw his usage trending upwards. He was already catching passes out of the backfield. Why wouldn't you expect 10 points before last game as a reasonable "floor" for your projections in PPR? I think it is a good call and it is just his opinion. I missed out on this as well and obviously didn't expect him to go off like that.
I think part of the problem is the semantics of using the word "floor". Obviously every player has a floor of 0 but he was saying in PPR that he expected him to have a floor of 10 with the circumstances surrounding that game (DJ injury and usage trending up).
