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The notion that Edmonds was a lock for at least 10 points is ridiculous, regardless of the circumstances.
He was giving an opinion and I think you are hung up on the word "floor". His opinion was that he would get at least 10 points that game based on what he projected as his minimum projected usage based on the circumstances and could go for more. Bloom thought 12.7, Dodds, 6.1 Tremblay 4.6. You have to take people's opinion with a grain of salt although I do respect the 3 professional opinions and really appreciate them going out on a limb before the games kick off. Bloom was probably thinking more like Hot Sauce Guy and made a great call by telling him to start Edmonds over Singletary(Which I disagreed with before kickoff yesterday). Saying Brady has a floor of 14 points tonight is not meant to be mathematical because mathematically it is always 0. I think if he has a bad game he will still score 14 points barring injury. I expect him to score at least 20 points against the Jets but my floor would be 14. I know Brady had 1 really bad game earlier this year so should I put his floor at what the Bills did to him or can I adjust it based on the opponent and what players are healthy, etc.? Do I have to say the floor is 0 for every player? I don't think you have to be so insulting for people expressing their opinion. I like listening to people's opinions and decide myself whether or not I agree or disagree with them. I don't tell people to get out of here for that.davearm said:
I'm hung up on the word floor because floor is the term he used, and it has a specific meaning.
I get what you’re saying and I don’t disagree... however, referencing the first four games over and over again when the situation was clearly not what constitutes current state is every bit as disingenuous
Disagree. If Johnson had come out and felt great in warmups, then we'd have been right back to the same situation we had the first four weeks.
Touches by game, weeks 1-6: 1, 3, 4, 6, 11, 7
D.J. played 54 snaps in week 5 which was in-line with previous weeks... and where Edmonds snaps started to spike. Just saying. I don’t believe this is strictly tied to injury. There’s an offensive change taking place. The injury exacerbated it this past weekend.
If you want to post here, drop this kind of thing.davearm said:
Which is interesting because his first few years, he was as fast as any RB in the league. Ran like a big chiseled gazelle.oswizzle said:
Ya know what? This. WTH happened? He's not the same at all. team losses or no...he just looks different. In a bad way.
Says every guy that had a friend that turned into the hottest girl on the block when he already damn well knew she was. Just had to get away from that repressive father and move in with a permissive Mom the town over.
New Orleans and San Fran want serious words with that gimmick offense three out of the next four.
If that's not a "Start Chase Edmonds this week" flag I dunno what is.
in leagues where i own neither, i see David Johnson as a rare rb1 who might be available cheap. In redraft i want to pay something like mark Ingram. In dynasty I'd pay a late first but would like to pay less. I wouldn't trade for less than a mid first.
This is great analysis. Whether you are right or wrong, time will tell, but you are accurate in that it’s all about what you can get now Edmonds if you have depth at RB and want to trade a piece to upgrade somewhere else.I own Edmunds in a league where im 6-1 and don't own Johnson and I own Johnson in a league where I'm 7-0 and don't own Edmunds. I feel like I'm relatively unbiased here.
1) David Johnson is clearly not 100 percent. He's also clearly not 0 percent. They said mid week that if the game was Thursday he wouldn't have played. They said he was a game time decision. They started him, and he came back in later. They've since said he didn't feel right and that Edmunds wanted to keep Johnson healthy but Johnson wanted to play.
2) Edmunds is playing very well, but he's had some huge holes to run through against 3 bad run defenses in a row. He barely touched the ball the first 3 weeks, and Johnson didn't get many touches in the juicy part of the schedule. Johnson is still averaging 4 ypc and 10.5 per catch while Edmunds is not as complete a player. I still expect Johnson to lead the backfield when healthy.
3) The fact they didn't sign a better player- ajayi or ware or trade for drake -but did sign Morris suggests that they were looking for someone who would be their veteran rb3, not someone they're expecting to play a huge role. None of these guys are world beaters but Morris is clearly just depth.
4) that's consistent with my expectation that Johnson is still day to day but not 100 percent. They don't want to go into a game with only one healthy back again, but they also don't need to go get a good back.
5) The cardinals upcoming schedule gets tough for rushing yards, but isn't as bad for pass catching rbs. I expect Johnson to come back soon and not only be the lead back, but the significantly more productive one. .
6) As a Johnson owner, I would not trade for Edmunds this week or next but would prioritize trading for him before the fantasy trade deadline once his value comes back to earth and owners who missed his big game and chased points unsuccessfully just want to dump him. It's possible Johnson never comes back healthy, but right now you have to pay almost for him as much as a regular starting rb, so why would i overpay for a handcuff when i could wait and pay less, or get a good starter for nearly the same price? You're way overpaying for insurance if you go get him right now.
7) as an Edmunds owner, i definitely see the upside and wouldn't trade him cheap, but I'd gladly move him for rb2 value. Adding good starters all season increases your chances of having the guy who gets hot later in the season, which is the most valuable guy to own.
My push back here is that Edmonds has averaged over 5 yards per carry in every game this season except one, while DJ has averaged significantly less than 5 yards per carry in every game this season except one. 3.9 ypc is the actual number for DJ and that looks much worse than 4 ypc doesn't it?
Interesting. You'd figure he or she would jump at that. Then again, maybe he or she thinks DJ and Coleman hold off both challengers to the starting throne.
I consulted two other members of my league to gauge the fairness of the offer, and they both thought it was legit from both sides... but, I do understand why they might not want to make the deal, as you've alluded to.
Lol. Typed it up with the right answer and checked my spelling against BostonFred’s spelling.
Maybe Chase Edmonds is that guy though?
I certainly wouldn't call DJ a redraft bust. Not yet anyway. He's a fringey RB1 in standard, and a few spots better than that in PPR.
I think you are too heavily anchored to the name brand and what he did in the past. He really hasn't flashed much this season and realistically it's been years since he produced like an elite back. Some of that is injuries, but the story continues this season with middling rushing output. Realistic chance he's just a flex guy come FF playoffs. Maybe he bounces back, but I'd consider it borderline reckless to jettison the handcuff in this situation when Edmonds has looked much more dynamic this year.
Yep and there’s some roster factors that could wildly swing value. Do you have DJ? What’s your record? Do you have RB depth?
Wow, DJ must be really banged up.
