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2018 3 down LBs, who ya got?

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Just now, Bracie Smathers said:

Really?  You make specific statements and asked me about that, I respond and then you ask why I didn't respond to the thread?  

I already covered Schobert.  I'm done. 

I didn't ask you anything.  I did mention this group has more speed, which you 'disagree with so much' then went on to talk about this group having more speed and not having a clue about TJ Carrie.  So, you got that going for you.

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On 5/29/2018 at 3:22 PM, drewd_21 said:

Also from the same thread...."This is not scientific at all. Made it in 2 mins."

Generally interesting though and someone who's idp opinions I like reading.

Very good point, and I agree, his feed is pretty great.  He's actually got a solid IDP podcast (Read & React), there's another one (Edge Crushers) that's just painful. 

 

 

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20 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

 TJ Carrie.

Carrie overperformed as a 6th round pick for OAK.  His career is Oakland was pretty much him having OK/decent coverage, and making the tackle after the guy caught the ball.  

If he winds up starting in CLE, and Ward is good,Carrie might be the corner to own for fantasy.  

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Not to help the hijackers, but Josh Jackson may be the rookie CB to own this year. I think he will be starting very early, he can tackle, fantastic athlete, could also be returning punts, I think he’s gonna be a big part of an overhauled Packers defense. 

https://youtu.be/8XWKjwAR8zA

 

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AZ:  Buchanon, and you HAVE to assume Reddick beats out Bynes.

ATL:  Deion Jones.  With Campbell, Riley, Ishmael and Neal running around, I don't see a 2nd lock for this role.  Anyone hear different, I'm all ears.

BAL: Mosley.  Onwuasor had a stretch when he played 3 downs, but last month or so, he did not.  

BUF: Edmunds.  Maybe Milano? BUF might be able to support two top LBs.  

CAR: Kuechly and Shaq/Davis.  Davis has suspension for a month. Shaq will be 3 down guy during that time, I assume.

CHI: Trevathan and Roquon.

CIN:  Hmmmmmmmm.  Vigil, Preston Brown, Burfict.  :shrug:

CLE:  Hey, CLE ran three LBs all 3 downs last year.  With the new coaches, it'll be interesting to see how that changes.  Collins/Kirksey/Schobert all played 3 downs (Burgess when Collins was hurt).  CLE is pursuing Mychal Kendricks as well, seems to me one of these LBs could see his value plummet really soon.  

DAL: Sean Lee.  Vander Esch and Jaylon competing for other 3 down spot.  

DEN: Marshall.  No one else is up for 3 down role.  

DET:  Jarrad Davis.  Christian Jones, Devon Kennard, Killebrew, Diggs, Reeves-Maybin........I dunno if anyone else is a 3 down guy.  

GB: Martinez and Ryan.  

HOU: McKinney and Cunningham.

IND: I'm not betting on anyone here.  

JAX:  Telvin and Jack.

KC:  Hitchens. Don't see another likely guy.

LAC:  Ummm, I guess I go with Jatavis. Perryman never has put it together, a small wager on a Jatavis comeback seems safer than betting on Perryman to stay healthy AND stop disappointing.  Wiuth Derwin/Addae/Kyzir they seems to have several guys that could be nickel LB over any of these other stiffs.  

LAR: Barron and.......Littleton

MIA: Raekwon and Kiko

MIN:  Kendricks/Barr  Potential Kendricks landing spot.

NE:  Van Noy.  Hightower for 3 weeks, then Elandon Roberts after Hightower is injured for the season.  

NO:  I don't have a strong feeling here.  Robertson and Te'o were 3 down guys, they add Demario and Anzalone to the mix.  Anyone??

NYG:  Ogletree and Goodson.  I think Goodson underrated this year.  

NYJ: Lee/Williamson

OAK:  Whitehead/Johnson Potential Kendricks landing spot.  

PHI:  Hicks/Bradham

PIT:  Vince Williams.  I think there will be a S playing nickel LB next to him.  If you believe in Bostic, rock on.  Braver than me.  

SEA:  Wagner/Wright

SF:  Foster.  Some might say Malcolm Smith.  Umm, I dunno about that.  Fred Warner looks sexy to me.  

TB: Kwon/Lavonte.

TEN: Evans/Woodyard.

WAS:  Zach Brown/Mason Foster (I guess? I don't trust Foster)

 

 

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Disagree on Reddick over Bynes as second guy. Also think Vander Esch will be on as 3 down guy. Maybe not first few weeks but early. Of course Lee gets hurt and than Smith gets his. I like Darius Leonard for Indy. May not be sure who but it could be very good. Maybe Morrison with edge right now. Does Miller not play all downs for Broncos. Kendricks with Chargers makes so much sense. I am not impressed with crew

Putting into tiers. No particular order

  1. Wagner, Alexander, Mosley, Ogletree, Edmunds, Jones,   Kuechley
  2. T. Smith, Barron, R. Smith, Kendrick’s, Z. Brown, Davis, Cunningham
  3. Jack, Evans, S. Lee, Vander Esch,  Martinez, Buccannon, David
  4. Trevathon, Collins, Alonso, McKinney, Williamson, McMillian, Foster
  5. Kirksey, Hitchens, Marshall, Hicks, Thompson, V. Williams, V. Miller
  6. Schobert,  D. Lee, Leonard, D. Davis, Foster, Perryman, Wright
  7. Morrison, Whitehead, Van Noy, J. Brown, Bynes, Ragland, P. Brown
  8. Littleton, Clowney, Vernon, Warner, Anzalone, Bradham, Goodson
  9. D. Johnson,  M. Smith, Ownsauser, Bostic, Hightower, Watt, Chubb
  10. Barr, Milano, Reddick, , Bradham, Ryan, Floyd, Davis

Future guys I like. O’Daniel, Burks,  White, Jewell, Jefferson, Baker,  Carter, Reeves-Maybin

In a league, I could live with any 4 guys from first 3 tiers and be very happy with my LB core.  Lots of good LB. One reason I don’t mind waiting but really jump in head first when I go. 

tier 4 has some nice names also. After this I question how good they will be. Tier 5 has guys with potential or previous usefulness but they don’t excite. Tier 9 is guys who might help now or could surprise still. 

 

Maybe i I should have put this is ADP thread

change with Kendrick’s signing. Feel really bad for Schobert and hurts Kirksey

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On 5/31/2018 at 5:56 AM, Crippler said:

I will post mine

I can tell owners still get caught up in names. Maybe they drafted Mack as DE. Clowney, Judon, Chubb, Houston, Irvin and Watt take a huge nosedive unless really big play scoring. In 14 team league, they are #4 guys who are matchup guys only. In heavy tackle, they are pretty useless

Other reaches. Joe Schobert with Collins back makes him more of a 4 guy to me. Won’t see nearly as many snaps as Collins and Kirksey play more

i like Martinez but not at 6. In dynasty, he reminds me of Paul Worrilow. Probably good numbers but always looking around corner. Better 2 guy.

Jordan Hicks scares me coming off injury for sure. Again not sure on talent. 

Vince Williams. In that tier 3 but I prefer him as a 4. Not sure how Pitt LB shake out but be weary of Kendricks

christian Jones. He is more like 70 guy. He is FA in my home league where over 100 guys rostered. 

Underrated

Trevathon. He puts up numbers and even with Freeman, should put up numbers with Smith instead. I like him over quite a few guys in front. 

collins. 41st as bottom 3rd tier too low. Like him in tier 2. 

Foster. Now out of trouble, he should be in tier 2. Still worried about personality and desire

Macmillan. Not sure about injury but opp has him way higher.

Bynes. Not big on him but chance to be tier 4 LB there. Could do Dansby like numbers as Cards MLB has been good

 

i think overall, the top 2 tiers of LB is nice. Could live with combination of many guys

in my league, we start 56 guys and I think near end, it really drops off. Not sure I would be happy with Perryman, Denarrio Davis, Marshall and Whitehead as LB crew. So while you can wait, when the run gets going, don’t hesitate to go heavy as hate to start this. I know my home league, owners who waited seem to have some critical need cores. Puts them in a big hole. 

 

 

Anyway I could get the sheet or the picture shown in the tweet? It's not working for me

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On 5/28/2018 at 2:36 PM, 5-ish Finkle said:

Regardless of what Colbert may be saying in an OTA puff piece or two, I'd expect there is just about no way Pittsburgh is looking at Tyler Matakevich as an every down player.  I think they know exactly what they have in him already:  He's extremely limited in coverage, and has been taken advantage of in that regard in his limited playing time.  Yeah, he's good on teams and he plays his a$$ off, buuuut.....yeah.  Unless guys get hurt, I'd expect that he's exactly what he already is.....a backup ILB, mostly for first and second down work, who will be splitting snaps with someone (probably a couple someones).

I don't see Bostic as anything more than a 2-down guy either.  He's good against the run, suspect against the pass.  Great.   Stopping the run is useful, sure, but having that be your only trick in today's NFL pretty much makes a guy a dinosaur.  "Earl Holmes 2.0" doesn't exactly pump my 'nads. :)

Vince Williams is a pretty good interior blitzer, which is a nice thing to have and something the Steelers like to do a pretty decent bit, but is limited in coverage too (you can see a pattern forming here, I'm sure, and it's potentially a really big problem for the Steelers). 

Add on to all that the following two points: 1. The Steelers drafted a couple of bigger, faster safeties whose games are more akin to "athletic LBs" than "run-of-the-mill DBs", and 2. They've been playing a larger percentage of "subs as the base package" the last few years (particularly Nickel or some kind of 4-2-5 with Watt or Dupree/both lining up with hands on the ground).   Taking that in to account, we can likely start reading the tea leaves at least a bit.

What all those signs point to from my POV is that none of those three ILBs are likely to be 3-down players for the Steelers at all, unless Pittsburgh suffers a host of injuries.  They will rotate based on down/distance/etc.  Clear running situations probably will be Williams and one of Bostic/Matakevich.  If they continue to pursue running a lot of subs and don't feel like any of their ILBs are up to snuff in coverage I am not going to be surprised at all to see them running out those young Safeties as at least one of the LBs in those packages, likely with Williams as the other guy inside to be accounted for on the blitz, or with Watt moving toward the middle of the field standing up with Hargraves/et al coming in on the line.

The only Steeler LB who I think is guaranteed to be a 3-down guy right now is Watt, but given how he was utilized in the scheme (so far, anyway) he probably isn't very useful outside of big play scoring.  For the inside guys, if I had to own one then Williams is likely still the guy I'd target.  He will probably have the highest snap count among the inside guys (whatever that amounts to), most of them at the Buck, and can be a useful blitzer. 

 

Steelers ILB Tyler Matakevich is the early favorite to start opposite Vince Williams.

Matakevich repped with the starters throughout the offseason. An undersized college producer, Matakevich has been limited to special teams his first two seasons, but only needs to beat out Jon Bostic to replace Ryan Shazier. It's a potential weak spot in Pittsburgh's defense.

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On 5/29/2018 at 8:59 AM, Robar said:

One of VW, Mat, or Bostic will be playing every down or 95% of the downs.

And I'll respectfully disagree with that.  This just isn't very likely at all.  I doubt even Shazier would get that percentage of the snaps in a year of perfect health(he was on pace for just around 90% last year, same as the year before.  The only recent Steeler LB to get to the 95% plateau with any regularity was Timmons).  Williams himself was heavily involved a year ago, even before the Shazier injury, and still played only around 75% of the Steelers total defensive snaps.  Dupree was the LB who was on the field the most, actually (over 81%) but he also lined up at DE.

On 5/29/2018 at 8:59 AM, Robar said:

They aren't giving the dot to a player that leaves the field on 3rd, which is what you stated, not implied, above. 

Actually, they will...or at least, they have prior.  Last year in fact.  As I mentioned above, Williams was off the field for 25% of the Steelers total snaps on D for the year, and between 20-25% of the snaps each game after Shazier was shelved.  So, the Steelers absolutely were giving the dot to a player that was leaving the field a quarter of the snaps.  Not like there's only one helmet with a green dot on the team, you can have three, just only one on the field at a time.  While Shazier was healthy, this was basically a non-issue as he was only leaving the field around 10% of the time.  Once he went down though, they still cycled all the LBs including dot-wearer VW.  L.J. Fort was one of the other two guys with a dot, IIRC(Tomlin mentioned it in a presser or interview I think).  Not sure who the third was.  

Regardless, I'm sure they would prefer to have whomever is the playcaller out there as much as possible.  They will give the dot to the ILB likely to be on the field the most....and I already stated I think that looks to almost certainly be Williams unless injuries/something freaky happens.  The other inside guys are probably going to rotate depending on situation, regardless of which on of them "starts."  None are good enough in coverage, or as blitzers, to really be any kind of reliable option on third downs.  That's where the rookies/Burnett may enter the equation as Big Nickel options, etc.

 

10 hours ago, Robar said:

Steelers ILB Tyler Matakevich is the early favorite to start opposite Vince Williams.

Matakevich repped with the starters throughout the offseason. An undersized college producer, Matakevich has been limited to special teams his first two seasons, but only needs to beat out Jon Bostic to replace Ryan Shazier. It's a potential weak spot in Pittsburgh's defense.

One player isn't replacing Shazier, as I'd opine that the Steelers are well aware. And I would say there is no doubt it's a weakness on their D as of this date. :(

One of Bostic or Matakevich will, indeed, probably wind up being the 1st/2nd down guy next to Williams for most of the year.  The question that makes me ask is "what is that worth if they're playing maybe 550-600 snaps?"  and  "If both stay healthy, what if they wind up splitting those 600 snaps?  Are either worth toting around hoping one of the other gets injured?"  If a guy isn't seeing 700-ish snaps, I tend to want to look elsewhere.  Maybe that's just me.

Only inside guy on that team I'm willing to take a shot on is Williams, as I expect he is the most likely of their ILBs to get over 85% of the snaps.  I'm leaving the rest of the others to be someone else's headache.

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On 6/3/2018 at 7:42 AM, massraider said:

NO:  I don't have a strong feeling here.  Robertson and Te'o were 3 down guys, they add Demario and Anzalone to the mix.  Anyone?

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/30136/qb-controversy-saints-d-loaded-after-adding-demario-davis

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This season, the most likely setup is Davis at Mike, Klein at Sam and Anzalone at Will in base packages. But it's much harder to project the nickel lineup.

Perhaps it will be Klein at Mike and Davis at Will -- which we saw when they were on the field together in last week's minicamp. But the Saints love Anzalone's potential, and he might prove to be their best coverage linebacker. So that could make it an either-or decision between Davis and Klein on passing downs.

Not clear yet, but Robertson and Te'o didn't sound like they were in the mix much.

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21 hours ago, 5-ish Finkle said:

And I'll respectfully disagree with that.  This just isn't very likely at all.  I doubt even Shazier would get that percentage of the snaps in a year of perfect health(he was on pace for just around 90% last year, same as the year before.  The only recent Steeler LB to get to the 95% plateau with any regularity was Timmons).  Williams himself was heavily involved a year ago, even before the Shazier injury, and still played only around 75% of the Steelers total defensive snaps.  Dupree was the LB who was on the field the most, actually (over 81%) but he also lined up at DE.

Actually, they will...or at least, they have prior.  Last year in fact.  As I mentioned above, Williams was off the field for 25% of the Steelers total snaps on D for the year, and between 20-25% of the snaps each game after Shazier was shelved.  So, the Steelers absolutely were giving the dot to a player that was leaving the field a quarter of the snaps.  Not like there's only one helmet with a green dot on the team, you can have three, just only one on the field at a time.  While Shazier was healthy, this was basically a non-issue as he was only leaving the field around 10% of the time.  Once he went down though, they still cycled all the LBs including dot-wearer VW.  L.J. Fort was one of the other two guys with a dot, IIRC(Tomlin mentioned it in a presser or interview I think).  Not sure who the third was.  

Regardless, I'm sure they would prefer to have whomever is the playcaller out there as much as possible.  They will give the dot to the ILB likely to be on the field the most....and I already stated I think that looks to almost certainly be Williams unless injuries/something freaky happens.  The other inside guys are probably going to rotate depending on situation, regardless of which on of them "starts."  None are good enough in coverage, or as blitzers, to really be any kind of reliable option on third downs.  That's where the rookies/Burnett may enter the equation as Big Nickel options, etc.

 

One player isn't replacing Shazier, as I'd opine that the Steelers are well aware. And I would say there is no doubt it's a weakness on their D as of this date. :(

One of Bostic or Matakevich will, indeed, probably wind up being the 1st/2nd down guy next to Williams for most of the year.  The question that makes me ask is "what is that worth if they're playing maybe 550-600 snaps?"  and  "If both stay healthy, what if they wind up splitting those 600 snaps?  Are either worth toting around hoping one of the other gets injured?"  If a guy isn't seeing 700-ish snaps, I tend to want to look elsewhere.  Maybe that's just me.

Only inside guy on that team I'm willing to take a shot on is Williams, as I expect he is the most likely of their ILBs to get over 85% of the snaps.  I'm leaving the rest of the others to be someone else's headache.

You were respectable in your reply so I’ll do my best to do the same....please do research instead of just making guesses. Shazier missed 6 snaps through 12 weeks last year. He sat out 2 snaps in weeks 4, 11, and 12...so not just did he not sit out 10% of snaps on the year in games he played, he sat out exactly 1% of snaps...

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Posted (edited)

The Saints nickel:

day1: Saints LBs AJ Klein and Demario Davis on the field together with the 1s in walkthrough as the two linebackers in a nickel package.

day2: Nickel backers are the same as yesterday.

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Posted (edited)

Saints first full-speed practice had Demario Davis at WLBAJ Klein at SLB. And Manti Teo at MLB.

:mellow:

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So the Saints LB core is a bigger mess than it was last year at this point in the season. I'll be throwing my darts elsewhere.

 

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14 hours ago, Flying Elvis said:

So the Saints LB core is a bigger mess than it was last year at this point in the season. I'll be throwing my darts elsewhere.

I can read it as Demario Davis being the guy to get.  3-down WLB seems worth a fair amount.

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23 hours ago, Flying Elvis said:

So the Saints LB core is a bigger mess than it was last year at this point in the season. I'll be throwing my darts elsewhere.

 

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's fairly cut and dry.  They want Anzalone to win a 3 down role, but built in a backup plan (Davis) in case he doesn't earn it.  Te'o and Robertson not surprisingly were insufficient last year.

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13 hours ago, MAC_32 said:

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's fairly cut and dry.  They want Anzalone to win a 3 down role, but built in a backup plan (Davis) in case he doesn't earn it.  Te'o and Robertson not surprisingly were insufficient last year.

They aren't paying Davis $7M a year to be a backup plan.  I agree they want the other to be Anzalone but I see it as the plan is to have Klein as the fallback.

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22 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

They aren't paying Davis $7M a year to be a backup plan.  I agree they want the other to be Anzalone but I see it as the plan is to have Klein as the fallback.

this. 

Anzalone, iirc, has an injury risk history from college. i think they'd like him to simply stay healthy and finish the season to evaluate his effectiveness.

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On 6/19/2018 at 10:56 PM, Hankmoody said:

They aren't paying Davis $7M a year to be a backup plan.  I agree they want the other to be Anzalone but I see it as the plan is to have Klein as the fallback.

Yeah, I admittedly only looked at his 2018 cap number.  Completely forgot the heinous contract they signed him to.  Why is this team always flirting with cap hell again?

Davis, like versions before him in New Orleans (including Klein), is very replaceable.  But they're married to him at least into next season.  Kinda like they are with Klein right now.

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On 6/16/2018 at 2:40 PM, Robar said:

Steelers ILB Tyler Matakevich is the early favorite to start opposite Vince Williams.

Matakevich repped with the starters throughout the offseason. An undersized college producer, Matakevich has been limited to special teams his first two seasons, but only needs to beat out Jon Bostic to replace Ryan Shazier. It's a potential weak spot in Pittsburgh's defense.

Ray Fittipaldo's Steelers chat transcript: 7.30.18

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  •  If both are healthy, do you see Bostic or Matakevich starting this year? 

Ray Fittipaldo: Good question. It appears they're giving Matakevich every opportunity to win that job. Not sure if he will win it, but they haven't been interested in working Bostic with the first-team defense all that much.

 

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8 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

I'm a Matakevich guy but he has limitations and I fear that even if he's starting, he will only be a 2-down guy. Having said that, he racks up tackles at such a ridiculous rate (kind of like Chris Borland) when he's on the field that he may be able to sustain LB2/3 type value on more limited snaps.

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On 6/3/2018 at 9:37 AM, Crippler said:

Disagree on Reddick over Bynes as second guy. Also think Vander Esch will be on as 3 down guy. Maybe not first few weeks but early. Of course Lee gets hurt and than Smith gets his. I like Darius Leonard for Indy. May not be sure who but it could be very good. Maybe Morrison with edge right now. Does Miller not play all downs for Broncos. Kendricks with Chargers makes so much sense. I am not impressed with crew

Putting into tiers. No particular order

  1. Wagner, Alexander, Mosley, Ogletree, Edmunds, Jones,   Kuechley
  2. T. Smith, Barron, R. Smith, Kendrick’s, Z. Brown, Davis, Cunningham
  3. Jack, Evans, S. Lee, Vander Esch,  Martinez, Buccannon, David
  4. Trevathon, Collins, Alonso, McKinney, Williamson, McMillian, Foster
  5. Kirksey, Hitchens, Marshall, Hicks, Thompson, V. Williams, V. Miller
  6. Schobert,  D. Lee, Leonard, D. Davis, Foster, Perryman, Wright
  7. Morrison, Whitehead, Van Noy, J. Brown, Bynes, Ragland, P. Brown
  8. Littleton, Clowney, Vernon, Warner, Anzalone, Bradham, Goodson
  9. D. Johnson,  M. Smith, Ownsauser, Bostic, Hightower, Watt, Chubb
  10. Barr, Milano, Reddick, , Bradham, Ryan, Floyd, Davis

Future guys I like. O’Daniel, Burks,  White, Jewell, Jefferson, Baker,  Carter, Reeves-Maybin

In a league, I could live with any 4 guys from first 3 tiers and be very happy with my LB core.  Lots of good LB. One reason I don’t mind waiting but really jump in head first when I go. 

tier 4 has some nice names also. After this I question how good they will be. Tier 5 has guys with potential or previous usefulness but they don’t excite. Tier 9 is guys who might help now or could surprise still. 

 

Maybe i I should have put this is ADP thread

change with Kendrick’s signing. Feel really bad for Schobert and hurts Kirksey

 

 

why would preston be ranked so low .. hes a tackling monster 

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10 hours ago, DarkKnightsGuru said:

 

 

why would preston be ranked so low .. hes a tackling monster 

He was a UFA this year and the best he could get was a 1 year deal for medium money from a team that's pretty well set at the position but will have Burfict open the season suspended.  I kind of thought he'd be more attractive than that.  Maybe he didn't get the big initial interest he wanted and chose a 1 year prove it deal, but with guys like Bostic and AJ Klein looking like starters I can't believe he couldn't get a better deal than that so I think the NFL is telling us something here.

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46 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

He was a UFA this year and the best he could get was a 1 year deal for medium money from a team that's pretty well set at the position but will have Burfict open the season suspended.  I kind of thought he'd be more attractive than that.  Maybe he didn't get the big initial interest he wanted and chose a 1 year prove it deal, but with guys like Bostic and AJ Klein looking like starters I can't believe he couldn't get a better deal than that so I think the NFL is telling us something here.

kleinn sucks Bostic sucks 

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1 hour ago, DarkKnightsGuru said:

kleinn sucks Bostic sucks 

Thanks for the high-caliber analysis.

That was my point.  Those teams didn't think enough of Brown to offer him a job better than the 1 year he got from CIN that isn't even guaranteed.

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On 6/3/2018 at 4:42 AM, massraider said:

AZ:  Buchanon, and you HAVE to assume Reddick beats out Bynes.

ATL:  Deion Jones.  With Campbell, Riley, Ishmael and Neal running around, I don't see a 2nd lock for this role.  Anyone hear different, I'm all ears.

BAL: Mosley.  Onwuasor had a stretch when he played 3 downs, but last month or so, he did not.  

BUF: Edmunds.  Maybe Milano? BUF might be able to support two top LBs.  

CAR: Kuechly and Shaq/Davis.  Davis has suspension for a month. Shaq will be 3 down guy during that time, I assume.

CHI: Trevathan and Roquon.

CIN:  Hmmmmmmmm.  Vigil, Preston Brown, Burfict.  :shrug:

CLE:  Hey, CLE ran three LBs all 3 downs last year.  With the new coaches, it'll be interesting to see how that changes.  Collins/Kirksey/Schobert all played 3 downs (Burgess when Collins was hurt).  CLE is pursuing Mychal Kendricks as well, seems to me one of these LBs could see his value plummet really soon.  

DAL: Sean Lee.  Vander Esch and Jaylon competing for other 3 down spot.  

DEN: Marshall.  No one else is up for 3 down role.  

DET:  Jarrad Davis.  Christian Jones, Devon Kennard, Killebrew, Diggs, Reeves-Maybin........I dunno if anyone else is a 3 down guy.  

GB: Martinez and Ryan.  

HOU: McKinney and Cunningham.

IND: I'm not betting on anyone here.  

JAX:  Telvin and Jack.

KC:  Hitchens. Don't see another likely guy.

LAC:  Ummm, I guess I go with Jatavis. Perryman never has put it together, a small wager on a Jatavis comeback seems safer than betting on Perryman to stay healthy AND stop disappointing.  Wiuth Derwin/Addae/Kyzir they seems to have several guys that could be nickel LB over any of these other stiffs.  

LAR: Barron and.......Littleton

MIA: Raekwon and Kiko

MIN:  Kendricks/Barr  Potential Kendricks landing spot.

NE:  Van Noy.  Hightower for 3 weeks, then Elandon Roberts after Hightower is injured for the season.  

NO:  I don't have a strong feeling here.  Robertson and Te'o were 3 down guys, they add Demario and Anzalone to the mix.  Anyone??

NYG:  Ogletree and Goodson.  I think Goodson underrated this year.  

NYJ: Lee/Williamson

OAK:  Whitehead/Johnson Potential Kendricks landing spot.  

PHI:  Hicks/Bradham

PIT:  Vince Williams.  I think there will be a S playing nickel LB next to him.  If you believe in Bostic, rock on.  Braver than me.  

SEA:  Wagner/Wright

SF:  Foster.  Some might say Malcolm Smith.  Umm, I dunno about that.  Fred Warner looks sexy to me.  

TB: Kwon/Lavonte.

TEN: Evans/Woodyard.

WAS:  Zach Brown/Mason Foster (I guess? I don't trust Foster)

 

 

I agree with all except Matakevich should be the other guy for Pit

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9 hours ago, uazwildcats said:

I agree with all except Matakevich should be the other guy for Pit

Work in camp is Zach Brown has been losing snaps on 3rd down 

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On 8/1/2018 at 9:13 PM, uazwildcats said:

I agree with all except Matakevich should be the other guy for Pit

 

On 8/1/2018 at 9:13 PM, uazwildcats said:

I agree with all except Matakevich should be the other guy for Pit

 

On 6/3/2018 at 7:42 AM, massraider said:

AZ:  Buchanon, and you HAVE to assume Reddick beats out Bynes.

ATL:  Deion Jones.  With Campbell, Riley, Ishmael and Neal running around, I don't see a 2nd lock for this role.  Anyone hear different, I'm all ears.

BAL: Mosley.  Onwuasor had a stretch when he played 3 downs, but last month or so, he did not.  

BUF: Edmunds.  Maybe Milano? BUF might be able to support two top LBs.  

CAR: Kuechly and Shaq/Davis.  Davis has suspension for a month. Shaq will be 3 down guy during that time, I assume.

CHI: Trevathan and Roquon.

CIN:  Hmmmmmmmm.  Vigil, Preston Brown, Burfict.  :shrug:

CLE:  Hey, CLE ran three LBs all 3 downs last year.  With the new coaches, it'll be interesting to see how that changes.  Collins/Kirksey/Schobert all played 3 downs (Burgess when Collins was hurt).  CLE is pursuing Mychal Kendricks as well, seems to me one of these LBs could see his value plummet really soon.  

DAL: Sean Lee.  Vander Esch and Jaylon competing for other 3 down spot.  

DEN: Marshall.  No one else is up for 3 down role.  

DET:  Jarrad Davis.  Christian Jones, Devon Kennard, Killebrew, Diggs, Reeves-Maybin........I dunno if anyone else is a 3 down guy.  

GB: Martinez and Ryan.  

HOU: McKinney and Cunningham.

IND: I'm not betting on anyone here.  

JAX:  Telvin and Jack.

KC:  Hitchens. Don't see another likely guy.

LAC:  Ummm, I guess I go with Jatavis. Perryman never has put it together, a small wager on a Jatavis comeback seems safer than betting on Perryman to stay healthy AND stop disappointing.  Wiuth Derwin/Addae/Kyzir they seems to have several guys that could be nickel LB over any of these other stiffs.  

LAR: Barron and.......Littleton

MIA: Raekwon and Kiko

MIN:  Kendricks/Barr  Potential Kendricks landing spot.

NE:  Van Noy.  Hightower for 3 weeks, then Elandon Roberts after Hightower is injured for the season.  

NO:  I don't have a strong feeling here.  Robertson and Te'o were 3 down guys, they add Demario and Anzalone to the mix.  Anyone??

NYG:  Ogletree and Goodson.  I think Goodson underrated this year.  

NYJ: Lee/Williamson

OAK:  Whitehead/Johnson Potential Kendricks landing spot.  

PHI:  Hicks/Bradham

PIT:  Vince Williams.  I think there will be a S playing nickel LB next to him.  If you believe in Bostic, rock on.  Braver than me.  

SEA:  Wagner/Wright

SF:  Foster.  Some might say Malcolm Smith.  Umm, I dunno about that.  Fred Warner looks sexy to me.  

TB: Kwon/Lavonte.

TEN: Evans/Woodyard.

WAS:  Zach Brown/Mason Foster (I guess? I don't trust Foster)

 

 

What r ur thoughts between McMillan and Littleton who has most upside

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On 7/31/2018 at 10:34 PM, DarkKnightsGuru said:

 

 

why would preston be ranked so low .. hes a tackling monster 

 

Same question with Whitehead.  When he’s on the field, he’s productive.

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2 hours ago, Bronco Billy said:

 

Same question with Whitehead.  When he’s on the field, he’s productive.

Because he's supposedly playing SLB, which isn't usually a great fantasy producer.

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1 minute ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Because he's supposedly playing SLB, which isn't usually a great fantasy producer.

He doesn't fit that at all.  Gunther typically runs a base 4-3 with a pass rusher type at SLB.  MFL reflects that, and I'm actually surprised it's not Bruce Irvin, that's been his most productive role his entire career, although perhaps he can be just as/more effective at pure DE.

MLB
1. Derrick Johnson
2. Nicholas Morrow
3. Marquel Lee
4. Azeem Victor

WLB
1. Tahir Whitehead
2. Emmanuel Lamur
3. James Cowser

SLB
1. Shilique Calhoun
2. Kyle Wilber
3. Jason Cabinda

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2 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

He doesn't fit that at all.  Gunther typically runs a base 4-3 with a pass rusher type at SLB.  MFL reflects that, and I'm actually surprised it's not Bruce Irvin, that's been his most productive role his entire career, although perhaps he can be just as/more effective at pure DE.

MLB
1. Derrick Johnson
2. Nicholas Morrow
3. Marquel Lee
4. Azeem Victor

WLB
1. Tahir Whitehead
2. Emmanuel Lamur
3. James Cowser

SLB
1. Shilique Calhoun
2. Kyle Wilber
3. Jason Cabinda

Where are you seeing that other than MFL?  I've seen Whitehead listed all over the place, but would love to see him as WLB.

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That's from Roto, which is what MFL feeds from.  They typically make designations based on what they see, although not sure how much/what there is to "see" right now.  We'll find out more this weekend.

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41 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Because he's supposedly playing SLB, which isn't usually a great fantasy producer.

 

Thanks for the quick response.  RW and FBGs both have him at WLB, which ought to be just fine for his production.

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54 minutes ago, Bronco Billy said:

 

Thanks for the quick response.  RW and FBGs both have him at WLB, which ought to be just fine for his production.

Cool.  Hope it plays out that way.  

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4 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

He doesn't fit that at all.  Gunther typically runs a base 4-3 with a pass rusher type at SLB.  MFL reflects that, and I'm actually surprised it's not Bruce Irvin, that's been his most productive role his entire career, although perhaps he can be just as/more effective at pure DE.

MLB
1. Derrick Johnson
2. Nicholas Morrow
3. Marquel Lee
4. Azeem Victor

WLB
1. Tahir Whitehead
2. Emmanuel Lamur
3. James Cowser

SLB
1. Shilique Calhoun
2. Kyle Wilber
3. Jason Cabinda

I figured Irvin would be the SAM, which is what made this Mack stuff so perplexing.  That line is a problem with no Mack nor Irvin.  But some Raiders follows have indicated he's slated for edge, which may help explain why Gruden is (incorrectly) making an issue with the Mack extension.  But it makes the LB group that much worse.  So, the Raiders defense still blows, which is a good thing for owners of whoever in the middle of the back 7 is on the field a lot.

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Isn't there usually a post or thread created by Jene Bremel on this very subject? Or does that happen later in the preseason?

 

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On 8/13/2018 at 3:36 PM, sdseagles said:

Isn't there usually a post or thread created by Jene Bremel on this very subject? Or does that happen later in the preseason?

 

There used to be... unfortunately Jene no longer contributes on the IDP side. He has cut back to strictly injury analysis.

 

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1 hour ago, J Giles Band said:

There used to be... unfortunately Jene no longer contributes on the IDP side. He has cut back to strictly injury analysis.

 

Well that sucks... Do you know if anyone else compiles such a list?

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11 hours ago, sdseagles said:

Well that sucks... Do you know if anyone else compiles such a list?

No list, but there's weekly snap count data listed somewhere on the main page.  IIRC it's usually two days behind the actual games though.  

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