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Ⅿ- Mandalorian Series!

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On 11/27/2019 at 3:06 PM, tommyboy said:

By the way, there are a couple of star wars animated series. Which one should I watch?

There are three.

The Clone Wars

Rebels

Resistance

 

Clone Wars is very good.  Do not be put off by the slightly kiddish pilot movie, the series has a much more even tone.

Rebels was also very enjoyable.  It plays off of characters from The Clone Wars, so watch The Clone Wars first.

Resistance, to me, was awful.  I gave up after the first season.  No depth of story and the characters are very poorly written.  It will be cancelled after this current second season is done.

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4 hours ago, TheIronSheik said:

100% agree, GB.  I still think the prequels wouldn't have been as disliked if they hadn't used so much CGI.  I know I'm in the minority with that opinion, but :shrug:

No I agree on that point. I think the CGI was really in it's infancy compared to today and George wanted to showcase it like he showcased all the ILM stuff from the 70's. He just went a little overboard for what was capable at the time. 

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2 hours ago, tommyboy said:

By the way, there are a couple of star wars animated series. Which one should I watch?

Clone wars. Then if you want to continue Rebels. All the others kind of suck.

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On 11/26/2019 at 9:48 AM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Pretty sure that neither Jango nor Boba were actually Mandolorians. They just appropriated their culture. 

Whoa whoa whoa what's this now?

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9 hours ago, shuke said:

Whoa whoa whoa what's this now?

Jango only wore the armor.  I believe in The Clone Wars we learn that the Mandalorian government only considered him a common mercenary with no tie to The Mandalorians.

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They’ve retconned the Star Wars back story so much now hard to say if Boba or Jango are Mandalorian’s or not. We will see if they will ever be mentioned in the show in the “new universe” or whatever they call it now.

Boba I don’t think was ever thought to be a Mandalorian at any point, and the Jango being a Mandalorian storyline all came from expanded universe stuff (books and comics) that came out after Attack of the Clones and is no longer considered canon.

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On 11/27/2019 at 2:06 PM, tommyboy said:

By the way, there are a couple of star wars animated series. Which one should I watch?

Lego ones are just for amusement, I think they are pretty funny. My favorite is the clone wars, rebels was ok, haven't checked out resistance yet.

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On 11/28/2019 at 9:08 AM, NewlyRetired said:

Jango only wore the armor.  I believe in The Clone Wars we learn that the Mandalorian government only considered him a common mercenary with no tie to The Mandalorians.

I took that more as he doesn't represent us, now t that he wasn't Mandalorian. If the queen of mandalore know who you are, I think you are Mandalorian.

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17 minutes ago, The Tick said:

I took that more as he doesn't represent us, now t that he wasn't Mandalorian. If the queen of mandalore know who you are, I think you are Mandalorian.

This is a good point.  I struggle sometimes to understand the difference between being a general mandalorian and being one of The Mandalorians (if that makes any sense).

Jango also wasn't born on Mandalore, so maybe there is a touch of "nationalism" (wrong word but you get the idea) going on.

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On 11/23/2019 at 12:23 AM, Psychopav said:

Episode 3 was the best yet.  THIS is Star Wars.  Two thumbs up.

I've seen a couple of these comments and I am just curious - does that mean you haven't really enjoyed the series of movies?    To me this is a bit different than the movies for better or worse.  

 

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13 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

This is a good point.  I struggle sometimes to understand the difference between being a general mandalorian and being one of The Mandalorians (if that makes any sense).

Jango also wasn't born on Mandalore, so maybe there is a touch of "nationalism" (wrong word but you get the idea) going on.

Well in the old EU, there was a civil war on Mandalore. The nativists who were natural born Mandalorians called Death Watch vs the pacifists for lack of a better term. Not all natives believed in the natural born cause and fought for all of Mandalore. But they had a lot of warriors adopted into the culture. Jango Fett being one of them led the pacifists army over Death Watch in some decisive battles. 

Who knows what justification they give now.

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Episode 4 is easily the weakest so far. I think this one really shows how the 30-38 min format hurts ultimately. There wasn't enough time used to set up certain scenes plausibly. Add in the cliche love angle and wanting to leave Boda in a "safe" place that you obviously came to because it wasn't safe and I can't imagine too many people liking this one. 

Still like the show though. Seeing an At-St emerge from the woods with those red eyes would be pretty terrifying. 

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10 hours ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

Loved chapter 4, even if it was a bit adventure of the week-y

I enjoyed it as well.  It was the most "western" of an already very western feeling show.  This was a classic setup right out of Magnificent Seven(Seven Samurai) and Shane.

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SPOILERS

Thought episode 4 was pretty cheesy and formulaic (maybe how I’m starting to feel about the whole thing actually). I’ll still watch it because Star Wars. But stranger comes to town. Meets lady who takes him in. He helps the poor villagers overcome the odds and the marauders that have been terrifying the village persons for far too long. How do you ask?  We will train the farmers to fight!  And set traps!  !

And you need a big plot challenge beyond that, and enter ATST.  Make him step into the pond. 

I wish you could stay with us hero. Settle down and we’ll have a life together. I’m a loner and this isn’t the place for me. 


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56 minutes ago, Otis said:

SPOILERS

Thought episode 4 was pretty cheesy and formulaic (maybe how I’m starting to feel about the whole thing actually). I’ll still watch it because Star Wars. But stranger comes to town. Meets lady who takes him in. He helps the poor villagers overcome the odds and the marauders that have been terrifying the village persons for far too long. How do you ask?  We will train the farmers to fight!  And set traps!  !

And you need a big plot challenge beyond that, and enter ATST.  Make him step into the pond. 

I wish you could stay with us hero. Settle down and we’ll have a life together. I’m a loner and this isn’t the place for me. 


Credits 

 

WHY DIDN'T THEY SNEAK INTO THE AT-ST AT NIGHT AND DUMP THE EXPLODY HOCKEY PUCK IN THERE INSTEAD OF SNEAKING INTO THE CENTER OF THE WHOLE STUPID CAMP?

It’s still enjoyable enough for me, but I think we just have to expect and accept YA-level plot  complexity. 

Training scene bordered on parody for me. Only thing missing was dude raising the pulse rifle and bellowing “Listen up you primitive screwheads, this is my BOOMSTICK!”

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Gotta add: I would love if this show had started with him having nothing, and earning scraps of armor one piece at a time. Shoot, I’d be all in on the Mandalorian version of Forged in Fire.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Rustoleum said:

Gotta add: I would love if this show had started with him having nothing, and earning scraps of armor one piece at a time. Shoot, I’d be all in on the Mandalorian version of Forged in Fire.

 

 

One Piece at a Time

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On 11/15/2019 at 12:21 PM, TheIronSheik said:

But in the cartoon series (not Clone Wars, but the other one), they seemed to take their helmets off all of the time.

They did in The Clone Wars too.  I wonder if it is some new thing that started post the purge by the Empire they mention?

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1 hour ago, Otis said:

SPOILERS

Thought episode 4 was pretty cheesy and formulaic (maybe how I’m starting to feel about the whole thing actually). I’ll still watch it because Star Wars. But stranger comes to town. Meets lady who takes him in. He helps the poor villagers overcome the odds and the marauders that have been terrifying the village persons for far too long. How do you ask?  We will train the farmers to fight!  And set traps!  !

And you need a big plot challenge beyond that, and enter ATST.  Make him step into the pond. 

I wish you could stay with us hero. Settle down and we’ll have a life together. I’m a loner and this isn’t the place for me. 


Credits 

 

This is exactly how my 9 year old nephew explained the episode to me:slapithigh:

I’m not sure the target audience is 40 something message board nerds who over analyze everything :shrug:

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I love westerns and Star Wars, and I find even the one-off episodes refreshing since everything else is a serialized drama these days. This is the first Star Wars content I’ve enjoyed without qualification since I was a kid.  Two thumbs up. 

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1 hour ago, CGRdrJoe said:

This is exactly how my 9 year old nephew explained the episode to me:slapithigh:

I’m not sure the target audience is 40 something message board nerds who over analyze everything :shrug:

Yea I mean it’s not breaking bad and it’s not meant to be. 

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2 hours ago, Andrew74 said:

They did in The Clone Wars too.  I wonder if it is some new thing that started post the purge by the Empire they mention?

The article I read about this topic stated that the characters who took off the helmets, like Sabine and Jango, were not die hard followers of the Mandalorian religion/ways.

from what I can tell there are some who take it significantly more seriously, maybe something akin to a Hasidic Judiasm vs regular Judiasm?

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So the tracking fobs - do they track the kid himself? How does that work? Otherwise, I’d think the first thing you do is remove the tracker from the kid. And if it does track the kid himself, you can never stop running and never leave the kid alone until he can fend for himself. And considering he’s still basically a toddler at 50 years old, that’s going to be a very long time.

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3 minutes ago, NewlyRetired said:

The article I read about this topic stated that the characters who took off the helmets, like Sabine and Jango, were not die hard followers of the Mandalorian religion/ways.

from what I can tell there are some who take it significantly more seriously, maybe something akin to a Hasidic Judiasm vs regular Judiasm?

Lapsed Mandalorians?

 

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2 minutes ago, DaVinci said:

Lapsed Mandalorians?

That is kind of what I got from it.  Granted it is all speculation as we have nothing on screen or in written form, in canon, that addresses the difference yet.

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4 hours ago, NewlyRetired said:

The article I read about this topic stated that the characters who took off the helmets, like Sabine and Jango, were not die hard followers of the Mandalorian religion/ways.

from what I can tell there are some who take it significantly more seriously, maybe something akin to a Hasidic Judiasm vs regular Judiasm?

I dunno. Pre Vizsla took his helmet off and he was the leader of Death Watch.  They seemed pretty die hard Mandalorians.  

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11 minutes ago, Andrew74 said:

I dunno. Pre Vizsla took his helmet off and he was the leader of Death Watch.  They seemed pretty die hard Mandalorians.  

Pre Vizala and the death watch was mentioned and they speculated that because they were terrorists they held on to different ideals.

I have also seen mention that maybe the great purge in the Mandalorian society brought back some old and forgotten ways like not taking off the helmet.

It is all guess work until if or when  Favreau decides to explain it.

Fun factoid, Jon Favreau voiced Pre Vizla.

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Watched all 4 episodes last night and really enjoyed it.  That's not baby Yoda though right? This takes place after ROTJ.  

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8 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Watched all 4 episodes last night and really enjoyed it.  That's not baby Yoda though right? This takes place after ROTJ.  

Not baby Yoda. That's just what people are calling him because we don't have a name for their species yet.

I've been calling him Boda.

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3 minutes ago, Insein said:

Not baby Yoda. That's just what people are calling him because we don't have a name for their species yet.

I've been calling him Boda.

Maybe reincarnation? 

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58 minutes ago, Sheriff Bart said:

Watched all 4 episodes last night and really enjoyed it.  That's not baby Yoda though right? This takes place after ROTJ.  

The baby is 50 years old so he could be Yoda's off spring but we have no idea yet.

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1 hour ago, NewlyRetired said:

The baby is 50 years old so he could be Yoda's off spring but we have no idea yet.

Yes the meme is that Yoda called a bounty so he wouldn't have to pay child support.

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I am still in the "it's OK" camp.   The positives and negatives are balancing each other out for me and making it an average show.  I do really like they way they are setting up the mystery of who these people are and like the world building of these locations after the events of Jedi.   However, I really don't like westerns and evidently baby yoda can't penetrate my black heart because I am for sure done with how much time we spend with his/her cutesy stuff, so my enjoyment is lowered.  The son seems to like it, so we will for sure still finish off the season.  

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agree episode 4 was the weakest 

 

I love how they bring back the original non speaking characters/droids ...I had all of the action figures 

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I want that cat. Even if it reminds me of the chesire cat in the more recent Alice in wonderland.

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Agree this was the weakest episode but I enjoyed it. The scene where the "pretty" lady is attempting to convince him to stay was cringy. We never got the impression they were there more than a couple of days and they seemed to insinuate that she had fallen for him, despite not knowing anything about him or what he looked like. It was weird and rushed.

 

I admit I did lol when he deadpanned the delivery of the message to the villagers of "Bad news, you people can't live here anymore."

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Listening to a nerdy podcast about SW and the show and their theory is that it really makes little sense if this thing is Yoda's offspring, reincarnation, or whatever theory on those lines people are floating.  Most likely it's either just one of his species, but sought after because all the other ones we have seen are very strong with the force too, or:

A clone.  Their claim was that by using the Mandalorian with him, it's making us think of the Fetts and the cloning they came from.  Also they said something about it's baby pod looking like Kamino engineering? 

Put it in spoilers just in case.  I am sure somebody here probably floated that theory though.  

 

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