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2018 College Football Thread: Local man buys some teenage champions a 4 for 4 (2 Viewers)

Moe. said:
It's no "One True Champion" but as far as idiotic conference slogans go it'll do. 
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Well, to be fair, Conference of Champions is pretty f'n stupid for a conference that doesn't win them in anything that matters.*



***GO OREGON STATE BEAVERS BASEBALL!!!!!111juan

 
Tom Servo said:
Since FB is blocked at work, how 'bout some deets?
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Long and the short of it is Brett McMurphy has text messages from the abused wife of Urban’s assistant coach and Urban’s wife talking about the incident in 2015 which Urban “had no knowledge of.”  There’s also messages saying Urban talked to that coach at the time. There’s also pictures of the abused wife and her injuries. 

 
Also the abuse started in 2009 in Gainesville when Courtney was pregnant and Zach was on Meyer's Gator staff. Apparently Hiram de Fries and Earle Bruce talked her into dropping the charges.

 
bigmarc27 said:
Long and the short of it is Brett McMurphy has text messages from the abused wife of Urban’s assistant coach and Urban’s wife talking about the incident in 2015 which Urban “had no knowledge of.”  There’s also messages saying Urban talked to that coach at the time. There’s also pictures of the abused wife and her injuries. 
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OOF.

Better take an L and quit, Urbs.

 
From the Athletic:

 

Urban Meyer fired Zach Smith 10 days ago after a string of alleged instances of domestic abuse against the assistant coach dating to 2008 came to light, and despite those incidents, Smith remained employed by Meyer at both Florida and Ohio State for the better part of the past decade.

The day after Smith was fired — once all the information had become public — Meyer was due to get extensive questioning from reporters at Big Ten Media Days regarding what he knew, when he knew it and why he kept Smith on his staff over the years.

The priority was to be honest. He needed to be. There was no other choice, even if the truth looked pretty bad to outsiders.

Now Meyer could be in trouble.

According to a report from former ESPN reporter Brett McMurphy, who had an extensive interview with Smith’s ex-wife, Courtney — the victim of Smith’s alleged abuse — there are text messages, pictures and quotes that suggest Meyer was dishonest last week about knowing about a reported 2015 incident of abuse between Smith and his now ex-wife.

McMurphy obtained a text message from Courtney to Meyer’s wife, Shelley, and other Ohio State coaches’ wives that apparently show Meyer and a number of Ohio State assistant coaches have been aware of Smith’s domestic violence issues for years.

“Shelley said she was going to have to tell Urban,” Courtney Smith told McMurphy. “I said: ‘That’s fine, you should tell Urban.’ I know Shelley did everything she could.”

Courtney later said: “All of (the coaches’) wives knew. They all did. Every single one.”

Also according to McMurphy’s report, there’s a text message on Nov. 5, 2015, that’s an exchange between Courtney and Lindsey Voltolini, the wife of Ohio State director of football operations Brian Voltolini — one of Meyer’s right-hand men. In that text message, Lindsey said Smith and Meyer had a discussion about the alleged incident in 2015 and Smith “denied everything.”

A little more than a week ago with Smith already fired, Meyer said this when asked if he knew about the 2015 incident between Smith and Courtney: “I can’t say it didn’t happen because I wasn’t there. I was never told about anything and nothing ever came to light. I’ve never had a conversation about it. I know nothing about it. First I heard about that was last night. No, and I asked some people back at the office to call and say what happened and they came back and said they know nothing about it.”

If that was a lie, this could mean big trouble for Meyer and Ohio State.

Meyer said he knew of the first reported incident of abuse from Smith in 2009 when Smith was a graduate assistant on Florida’s staff: “My comments about ’09, obviously a long time ago, but whenever you get an accusation, you contact your superior, you find out what happened and let the people do their jobs. Then, I guess, you let legal course to run its course and you ask them because they are experts. They came back to me and we found out what happened according to both parties, according to everything. We met with them, there were no charges, everything was dropped. It was a very young couple, and I saw a very talented young coach. And we moved forward.”

His decision to retain Smith at Florida in 2009 and later hire him at Ohio State in 2012 was questionable given the initial incident. To some, it’s hard to rationalize hiring and putting anyone who might have a history of violence against women in a position to coach and recruit teenagers, especially when violence against women violates one of the three main tenets of Meyer’s programs.

But given Meyer’s close relationship with the late Earle Bruce — a former Ohio State head coach and Smith’s grandfather — it seemed as if Meyer was hoping to give Smith a second chance to get his life back on track. And according to Meyer in Chicago, it was a one-time incident in 2009 that everyone moved past and he had absolutely no knowledge of reoccurring incidents of abuse. So Meyer, in essence, pleaded ignorance.

This is what happens when you play the ignorance card. Either it’s true and it makes for an acceptable story at the time, or it turns out to be a lie and it leads to major problems.

Former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was fired in 2011 for lying to the NCAA about a cash-for-memorabilia scandal infamously referred to as “Tattoo-gate.” He was eventually fired for lies in a scandal about players selling things that already belonged to them for money, something far less important than abuse against women.

You just can’t lie in these situations.

And now that it seems as if Meyer did, this is very bad for him.
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bigmarc27 said:
Long and the short of it is Brett McMurphy has text messages from the abused wife of Urban’s assistant coach and Urban’s wife talking about the incident in 2015 which Urban “had no knowledge of.”  There’s also messages saying Urban talked to that coach at the time. There’s also pictures of the abused wife and her injuries. 
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The comments section just reinforces how completely out of whack many people's value systems have become with regard to sports.  Nothing surprises me anymore, not this report, nor the many douchenozzles support for Urban in the face of it, but it's still sad.

 
I know he won't be fired, but this is pretty despicable. If your employee is beating the hell out of his wife - how do you just stand by and watch? If the Trump administration still investigated Title IX violations, this would potentially be a real problem for OSU.

 
bigmarc27 said:
Making everyone think his wife is a POS seems like a worse idea than all of college football. That would be a cold bedroom. 
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As Bret points out in the article, Mrs. Meyer - as an employee of TOSU - is under the same Title IX obligation to report.  

I can't imagine how Meyer and the university wiggle out of this one.  And geez, this one top of MSU ...and that on top of Penn State?  People were suggesting very harsh measures against the latter two, but others countered, "too harsh."  But when is the punishment enough to deter others?  This is crazy bad ...and crazy sad.

 
tri-man 47 said:
As Bret points out in the article, Mrs. Meyer - as an employee of TOSU - is under the same Title IX obligation to report.  

I can't imagine how Meyer and the university wiggle out of this one.  And geez, this one top of MSU ...and that on top of Penn State?  People were suggesting very harsh measures against the latter two, but others countered, "too harsh."  But when is the punishment enough to deter others?  This is crazy bad ...and crazy sad.
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The Trump administration on Friday withdrew Obama-era guidance on how colleges and universities should respond to sexual violence, giving schools flexibility to use a higher standard of evidence in judging cases and formally shifting the federal stance on what has become an explosive campus issue.

The action crystallized a pledge Education Secretary Betsy DeVos made on Sept. 7 to replace what she called a "failed system" of civil rights enforcement related to campus sexual assault. In her view, the government under President Barack Obama did not strike the right balance in protecting the rights of victims and the accused.

 
whoknew said:
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The Trump administration on Friday withdrew Obama-era guidance on how colleges and universities should respond to sexual violence, giving schools flexibility to use a higher standard of evidence in judging cases and formally shifting the federal stance on what has become an explosive campus issue.

The action crystallized a pledge Education Secretary Betsy DeVos made on Sept. 7 to replace what she called a "failed system" of civil rights enforcement related to campus sexual assault. In her view, the government under President Barack Obama did not strike the right balance in protecting the rights of victims and the accused.
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Oh, that's right.  Thanks for the reminder about the new ruling.

Nevertheless ...Meyer knew the history here, and he should have acted in 2015, at a minimum, if "character" really does mean anything to him.

 
McMurphy: "Courtney told me that Zach once told me that if this ever got out and got fired he would take everyone at Ohio St down."

 
mybookie (offshore sportsbook) has Urban -200 to be fired before 9/1, -150 to resign before 9/1.  This is wild.

 
tri-man 47 said:
Nevertheless ...Meyer knew the history here, and he should have acted in 2015, at a minimum, if "character" really does mean anything to him.
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But weren't these incidents already reported to the police?  Were charges ever pressed against Zach Smith?  Was he ever charged with a crime before the recent trespassing charge that did lead to termination?  Are we now recommending that employers fire anyone who is alleged to have committed crime?    

 
Galileo said:
But weren't these incidents already reported to the police?  Were charges ever pressed against Zach Smith?  Was he ever charged with a crime before the recent trespassing charge that did lead to termination?  Are we now recommending that employers fire anyone who is alleged to have committed crime?    
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From Urban's contract:

d) Know, recognize and comply with all federal, state and local laws, as well as all applicable University Rules and Governing Athletic Rules, in accordance with NCAA Bylaw 1 1 .1 .2.1 , promote an atmosphere for compliance within the football program supervised by Coach and monitor the activities regarding compliance of all assistant coaches and other administrators involved with the program who report directly or indirectly to Coach; supervise and take appropriate steps in an effort to ensure that Coach's assistant coaches, any other employees for whom Coach is administratively responsible and the members of the Team know, recognize and comply with all such laws, University Rules and Governing Athletic Rules; and immediately report to the Director and to the Department's Office of Compliance Services in writing if any person or entity, including without limitation, representatives of Ohio State's athletic interests, has violated or is likely to violate or may potentially have violated any such laws, University Rules and Governing Athletic Rules (unless Ohio State has informed Coach that certain minor transgressions do not require written reports to the Director and the Department's Office of Compliance Services).
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Also from Urban's contract in the section that stipulates what cause he could be fired for: 

Failure by Coach to report promptly to the Director and to the Office of Compliance Services in writing any violations or potential violations known to Coach of Governing Athletic Rules or University Rules including, but not limited to, those by Coach, the assistant coaches, students or other persons under the direct control or supervision of Coach, as determined by Ohio State
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If the victim has evidence that establishes that he knew about the 2015 issue, then yes he can be fired for cause for not reporting it in writing to the AD and Department's Office of Compliance Services. 

In my opinion, he's been covering the abuse up since 2009.  Too many people (ok, let's just say it.... men) do this, and the time is well over due for that to change. If the investigation concludes he knew about 2015, then let him go. Make an example out of him for the sake of all abuse victims. 

 
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Galileo said:
tri-man 47 said:
Nevertheless ...Meyer knew the history here, and he should have acted in 2015, at a minimum, if "character" really does mean anything to him.
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But weren't these incidents already reported to the police?  Were charges ever pressed against Zach Smith?  Was he ever charged with a crime before the recent trespassing charge that did lead to termination?  Are we now recommending that employers fire anyone who is alleged to have committed crime? 
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To answer the first parts of your post: she did call the police on at least one occasion, but the police wouldn't have had a reason to inform Urban about that. But the issues regarding Urban seem to be: 1) did he and his wife follow the "mandatory reporter" laws?; 2) did Urban lie about what he knew?; and 3) does OSU really want a head coach who failed to do the right thing when it mattered?

To answer the last part of your post: of course you don't fire employees for every little transgression they commit. There's nothing wrong with using a sliding scale, where something minor (such as lying about getting some tattoos) would result in just a suspension......oh, wait......

 
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