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Trump EPA: Rocket fuel in your water? Yes, have some. (1 Viewer)

adonis said:
They're not geniuses but they're not idiots.  If they cared about misspellings, they'd have people check for errors before posting.  They don't care.  Why?

1) It connects them to their audience.  Largely older folks, many non-computer savvy folks who also misspell things and don't care either.  "He's just like us! Not one of those polished elites!"

2) It drives the MSM and elites crazy when public officials misspell something.  When folks get bent out of shape about this kinda stuff, his base think they're nitpicking, and it causes them to support him over them...yet again.  So when the MSM or other elites attack, it forges a stronger bond between his supporters and him through unfair picking on him about stuff that doesn't matter...they just have it in for him...etc.

3) It allows the media to focus on smaller inconsequential mistakes, and be dismissed by his supporters, instead of maintaining focus on the issues that really matter.
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Well I agree that their communication strategy is that cynical to their target audience, but the WH comm shop doesn’t even have a director because Trump controls all the communication. I believe they are illiterate just because they are

 
adonis said:
At this point, Trump and folks like him intentionally use poor grammar because they know foulks will harp on it and spend time criticizing that instead of the main issue.

Trump does it in his tweets for similar reasons, or misspells his wife's name, or whatever.  Throwing meat to the rabid wolves hungry to be outraged over something.
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Oh just stop. First of all, most people opposing him understand the "main issue" and do plenty of criticizing of those issues. It's possible to criticize both. People "harp" on that stuff because it's embarrassing, sloppy, and indicative of their anti-intellectualism.

You really expect someone to buy that these people are sophisticated enough to do what you're suggesting? And "rabid wolves"? Really? After all that's gone down? Nobody is "hungry to be outraged over something", we have ample opportunity nowadays to be outraged without being "hungry" for it.

Sheesh.

 
joffer said:
If Wheeler is just Pruitt minus the religion, it’s still a positive
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Wheeler is smarter than Pruitt, and not only wants to dismantle the framework of the EPA and roll back regulations, but he actively wants to inhibit the development of renewable energy for the benefit of the coal industry.   His agenda will actually be worse.   Pruitt, for all of his ridiculous ethical issues, was actually very ineffective at deregulation.    Wheeler will probably actually do more damage.

 
-fish- said:
Wheeler is smarter than Pruitt, and not only wants to dismantle the framework of the EPA and roll back regulations, but he actively wants to inhibit the development of renewable energy for the benefit of the coal industry.   His agenda will actually be worse.   Pruitt, for all of his ridiculous ethical issues, was actually very ineffective at deregulation.    Wheeler will probably actually do more damage.
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The EPA can only do so much with regard to the bolded.  They can’t stop the market.  Coal is dying.  Renewable energy and a carbon tax polls better every day.  He can overturn regulations, which is bad, but no worse than Pruitt.  Nothing is worse than Pruitt.

 
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joffer said:
The EPA can only do so much with regard to the bolded.  They can’t stop the market.  Coal is dying.  Renewable energy and a carbon tax polls better every day.  He can overturn regulations, which is bad, but no worse than Pruitt.  Nothing is worse than Pruitt.
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It's not just overturning regulations.   It's refusing to enforce existing regulations.  But they can also add regulation to renewable energy, which can set the industry back while we keep propping up Wheeler's former bosses.

 
timschochet said:
Thank you. I suspected it was more than just removing newer Obama regulations. Sorry to learn that's true.
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Watch the FrontLine special on this ****.  Obama started enforcing many EPA regulations during his tenure that were previously not enforced.  Those are some of the things Trump has dismantled.  

 
-fish- said:
Wheeler is smarter than Pruitt, and not only wants to dismantle the framework of the EPA and roll back regulations, but he actively wants to inhibit the development of renewable energy for the benefit of the coal industry.   His agenda will actually be worse.   Pruitt, for all of his ridiculous ethical issues, was actually very ineffective at deregulation.    Wheeler will probably actually do more damage.
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Way to pour cold water on us.

 
-fish- said:
It's not just overturning regulations.   It's refusing to enforce existing regulations.  But they can also add regulation to renewable energy, which can set the industry back while we keep propping up Wheeler's former bosses.
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you may very well be right, but I’m not going to argue against having a smarter cabinet member.

 
Ranethe said:
Oh just stop. First of all, most people opposing him understand the "main issue" and do plenty of criticizing of those issues. It's possible to criticize both. People "harp" on that stuff because it's embarrassing, sloppy, and indicative of their anti-intellectualism.

You really expect someone to buy that these people are sophisticated enough to do what you're suggesting? And "rabid wolves"? Really? After all that's gone down? Nobody is "hungry to be outraged over something", we have ample opportunity nowadays to be outraged without being "hungry" for it.

Sheesh.
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Did you happen to read his letter to Trump? Was well written and free of errors.  Wonder why.

And rabid wolves? Yes.  Americans have become outrage junkies.  Tell me what I should be outraged about today and I'll tune into your thing and view your advertisements so you can get paid.  That's our media culture to a large degree.  Trump is just taking advantage of it.

And yes, these folks aren't all mensa members, but they're really not dumb people as much as their opponents would like it to be true.  They know what they're saying isn't true...they just don't care.  They know they're making grammatical errors...they just don't care.  They know that these things will enflame their opponents and they'll be trashed for it...they just don't care.

Lies, misspellings, generating outrage by saying "non-PC" things...this is the package.  It's a strategy against the polished, poll-tested, boring messaging of the past that was put together, accurate, and non-contentious.  His base wants to be mean...they want to say non-PC things...and they want someone who does it and doesn't apologize for it because they're tired of being made to apologize for it.  They're tired of being made to feel like the wrong ones, when in our society there are tons of other wrong ones out there that Trump focuses on.  He tells these folks they're right!  And they've been mistreated by the MSM, by the elites, by the PC police.

So yeah...they play into this scenario at every turn.  Every tweet.  And while I can't be sure Pruitt's resignation letter is a page out of this book, it certainly seems to be.

 
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opposite if what they were created for is what happened when the EPA poisoned the Colorado River?

or when they told Michigan to “handle” a whistleblower in the Flint water crisis and sat on the reports of poisoned water for months

EPA has been a mess for awhile...

 
rove is right about Flint.  That was either massive incompetence or worse.  The Durango mine spill was a screwup by a contractor of a cleanup effort.  Different type of issue.

But the Trump/Pruitt/Wheeler EPA is something we’ve never seen before.  Just a flat-out refusal to enforce regulations and side with polluters while they try to dismantle the whole thing.  

 
Pruitt: a scumbag to the bitter end.

In the final hours of Scott Pruitt’s tenure as administrator, the Environmental Protection Agency moved on Friday to effectively grant a loophole that will allow a major increase in the manufacturing of a diesel freight truck that produces as much as 55 times the air pollution as trucks that have modern emissions controls.

The move by the E.P.A. came after intense lobbying by a small set of manufacturers that sell glider trucks, which use old engines built before new technologies significantly reduced emissions of particulates and nitrogen oxide that are blamed for asthma, lung cancer and other ailments.

It was just as strongly opposed by an unusual alliance of public health groups like the American Lung Association, environmental groups like the Environmental Defense Fund and major industry players like United Parcel Service, the largest truck fleet owner, and Volvo Group, one of the largest truck manufacturers.

The shift in agency policy came quietly late Friday, the last day of work for Mr. Pruitt, who resigned after several ethics scandals. But agency officials confirmed to The New York Times that, through the end of 2019, the E.P.A. will not enforce an annual cap of 300 gliders per manufacturer that had been imposed in January.
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sho nuff said:
Why? She is a vile woman.

Also a  :doh: for my Alma Mater’s involvement that led to internal investigation.
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Oh, I know she's vile. Just going to a NYT article on Pruitt, I wasn't expecting to see TN's dirty laundry there. And, yes, regarding your Alma Mater...not a good look.

 
This guy was such a gem

Then-EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt's staff sought to protect him from exposure to toxic formaldehyde from an office desk last year, emails show — just months before his top political aides blocked the release of a report on health dangers from the same chemical.

 
Props to Wheeler.  Undoes Pruitt's last action.

Andrew R. Wheeler, the acting administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, has reversed the final policy act of his predecessor, Scott Pruitt: granting a loophole that would have allowed more highly polluting trucks on the nation’s roads.

Mr. Wheeler’s decision, outlined in a memo to his top air policy staff, formally vacates the move Mr. Pruitt made on his last day in office, earlier this month, before resigning amid a host of ethics investigations. Mr. Pruitt had told manufacturers that the agency would not enforce a cap on what are known as “glider” trucks — vehicles with older and less efficient engines installed.

“I have concluded that the application of current regulations to the glider industry does not represent the kind of extremely unusual circumstances that support the E.P.A.’s exercise of enforcement discretion,” Mr. Wheeler wrote.

Mr. Wheeler has worked during his first three weeks as the E.P.A.’s acting chief to put distance between himself and Mr. Pruitt stylistically by addressing his staff, issuing a public schedule of his activities and taking questions from journalists. The about-face on gliders represents the first sign that Mr. Wheeler may seek to distinguish himself from Mr. Pruitt on policy as well.
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this is the part that bothers me the most....Trump supporters truly don't care about anything minus 'winning'.  They don't even care about themselves.  They would rather live beside a toxic nuclear waste site than have a rule protecting the environment. 

 
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