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Trump Opponents - Would you rather have a Recession or Trump Re-election? (1 Viewer)

Trump Opponents - Would you rather have a Recession or Trump Re-election?

  • For sure rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election

    Votes: 83 46.6%

  • Probably rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election

    Votes: 29 16.3%

  • On the fence

    Votes: 8 4.5%

  • Probably not rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election

    Votes: 17 9.6%

  • For sure not rather have a Recession than Trump Re-election

    Votes: 41 23.0%
  • Total voters
    178
Ranethe said:
The damage Trump and his administration have done, and are doing, far exceeds the damage done by a cyclical, semi predictable economic event. Not even close IMO. I would absolutely choose to rid this country of his scourge if it meant riding out a recession.

This chaos president only destroys. The sooner he is gone the better. 
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People really believe a recession would be worse than this? And this is a fraction of the harm inflicted on Americans.

http://www.businessinsider.com/epa-scott-pruitt-protects-industry-health-environment-expense-2018-6?r=UK&IR=T

 
jon_mx said:
What success would make another 4 years of Trump acceptable?  Let's say Trump somehow leads to a peaceful Korean unification.  Is that enough?  Maybe some miracle happens and there is some kind huge breakthrough for peace in the Middle East?  Maybe millions of good paying jobs are created helping the working poor?  Is there any level of great things happening which would make Trump worth putting up with? 
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The question would be whether Trump caused those good things to happen or whether they likely would have happened anyway.  

 
Don't Noonan said:
Most realize these things are cyclical and a recession in the next three years would not be abnormal.
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Don't Noonan said:
However, Trump's economic policies will most definitely not be the cause of the next recession.  He is helping the economy right now.
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These are two contradictory things. Is the economy cyclical or subject to influence by presidential policy?

 
jon_mx said:
What success would make another 4 years of Trump acceptable?  Let's say Trump somehow leads to a peaceful Korean unification.  Is that enough?  Maybe some miracle happens and there is some kind huge breakthrough for peace in the Middle East?  Maybe millions of good paying jobs are created helping the working poor?  Is there any level of great things happening which would make Trump worth putting up with? 
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Well it shows how ridiculous it is when people are allowed to apply their own conditions. Maher’s original question based on the condition of recession or Trump with lost democracy at least is an easy choice. Recession or Trump + f(x) is whatever you want it to be.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
And likewise I take it that it could cause a downturn then, no?
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Sure, look no further than our previous President.  Not 1 year with GDP growth above 3% in his 8 years in office.  A feat that has NEVER been done before.  I totally get hating on Trump as a person but if Democrats go after the economy then they will lose horribly in 2020.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Sure, look no further than our previous President.  Not 1 year with GDP growth above 3% in his 8 years in office.  
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Am I looking at the wrong source?

- I have criticisms of how Bush & Obama handled things in 2008-10 but right now I’m just damn glad we got through it ok. Personally I don’t think the economy would be any different under Hillary than under Trump. My feeling about Trump is just that he has to ensure he doesn’t screw things up. I’m thinking things like Smoot-Hawley, 1999 financial deregulation, that kind of thing. Just hold the wheel. The massive deficits and the trade wars (multiple) seem extremely risky. Obviously I hope we end up all right.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Sure, look no further than our previous President.  Not 1 year with GDP growth above 3% in his 8 years in office.  A feat that has NEVER been done before.  I totally get hating on Trump as a person but if Democrats go after the economy then they will lose horribly in 2020.
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Right. Obama made a mess of the economy after Bush.  JFC

 
Don't Noonan said:
Sure, look no further than our previous President.  Not 1 year with GDP growth above 3% in his 8 years in office.  A feat that has NEVER been done before.  I totally get hating on Trump as a person but if Democrats go after the economy then they will lose horribly in 2020.
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Trump's 1st year under 3%, first quarter of 2nd year under 3%, what leads you to believe the economy is going to take off all the sudden?  Particularly when the impact of the tariffs hit?

I'll take an inevitable recession over the complete and utter embarrassment we have as POTUS for 500 Alex.

 
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James Daulton said:
Trump 1st year under 3%, first quarter of 2nd year under 3%, what leads you to believe the economy is going to take off all the sudden?  Particularly when the impact of the tariffs hit?

I'll take an inevitable recession over the complete and utter embarrassment we have as POTUS for 500 Alex.
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Job creation lagging behind Obama’s last years.  Everything else follows previous trends ...but Obama economy bad...Trump economy good.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Am I looking at the wrong source?

- I have criticisms of how Bush & Obama handled things in 2008-10 but right now I’m just damn glad we got through it ok. Personally I don’t think the economy would be any different under Hillary than under Trump. My feeling about Trump is just that he has to ensure he doesn’t screw things up. I’m thinking things like Smoot-Hawley, 1999 financial deregulation, that kind of thing. Just hold the wheel. The massive deficits and the trade wars (multiple) seem extremely risky. Obviously I hope we end up all right.
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Yeah, not sure what that chart is but it is incorrect.

 
James Daulton said:
Trump 1st year under 3%, first quarter of 2nd year under 3%, what leads you to believe the economy is going to take off all the sudden?  Particularly when the impact of the tariffs hit?

I'll take an inevitable recession over the complete and utter embarrassment we have as POTUS for 500 Alex.
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Most economists are predicting over 3% GDP this year.  We will see.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Yeah, not sure what that chart is but it is incorrect.
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Can I see what your’re referring to?

Just so you know *ideally I would have preferred lower personal taxes (maybe not what Trump did but lower than historical) and a balanced budget. But what we got just heaps another burden on the next generation. It seems incredibly unconservative and selfish to me but also, again, very risky.

 
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Don't Noonan said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Am I looking at the wrong source?

- I have criticisms of how Bush & Obama handled things in 2008-10 but right now I’m just damn glad we got through it ok. Personally I don’t think the economy would be any different under Hillary than under Trump. My feeling about Trump is just that he has to ensure he doesn’t screw things up. I’m thinking things like Smoot-Hawley, 1999 financial deregulation, that kind of thing. Just hold the wheel. The massive deficits and the trade wars (multiple) seem extremely risky. Obviously I hope we end up all right.
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Yeah, not sure what that chart is but it is incorrect.
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Not it isn't incorrect.  Oops, facts

 
sho nuff said:
There is?  How so?  Seems most are saying yes to not believing 4 more years of Trump is worse for the country.  They are literally putting country over party or person.
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47% would definitely take the recession and one nudnik would prefer a pandemic to four more years of President Trump.  

 
Don't Noonan said:
Absolutely incorrect.  Not at home and not able to post link.  Google - Obama only President to not have annual GFP growth at 3%
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This is for the ‘how the hell do we escape this’ thread. US government stats are wrong. Ok. I’ve seen Trump proxies say this on cable news too. This is basically Facts vs Wishcasting.

 
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Funny thing is Trump's  tariffs and tough trade talk, particularly with our allies could be what could cause the recession.

 
lazyike said:
Funny thing is Trump's  tariffs and tough trade talk, particularly with our allies could be what could cause the recession.
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Exactly. It’s writing off 90 years of history and experience. We block cheap billions in goods from coming in and then we get to spend billions in subsidizing our own industries. Trump has even spoken of nationalization. How Trump turned a bunch of socialist hating conservatives into emulators of the Chavez model I’ll never understand.

 
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