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2018-19 NBA Thread: Lakers sign Mussolini

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14 hours ago, Chaos Commish said:

I try hard not to jump up and down shouting about it, but I've won boatloads the last two seasons betting early futures on GS. And I posted as much early in both seasons. It is a long long time to let a casino hold your money. It's a stressful situation at times too. I still haven't cashed out but may head to Vegas tonight. The joke around here is the Warriors are putting a Laker fan's kid through college. There's also an M5 in the garage that wouldn't be here if not for the Durant signing. I made the first big bet just after, and I made more when the budget allowed. I had a nice run with nba dfs that stalled and Draft Kings started feeling dicey, so I took that bankroll and put it on the Warriors. Something someone smarter than me said in the gambling thread back then about believing in your locks and no brainers rang true, so I went as all in as I could justify. Two years in a row. It's about Durant joining the best team in the league. A team I already argued was the best I'd ever seen. I'm 99% sure he stays put, but he is what makes it a no brainer, so I'll wait.

And now I'm worried about where Lebron lands. I think if he went to Boston and Kyrie and Hayward stayed, or Houston, I'd find another outlet for the gambling degeneracy. I don't think he gets Philly or anyone else past the Warriors. Hell, I'd favor GS over Houston or Boston. That's just not a no brainer anymore. Last year was fun and funny most of the way. This year not so much. 

Good for you. I know you've been firmly behind Dubs futures, but a M5!!!! Nice.

I feel that unless LBJ goes to Houston, Dubs are still clear cut #1, and right now Houston looking less likely. I'm not betting boatloads (actually it's all free rolling) so I'm willing to take a little more risk than the lock they've been.

You think Dubs price will get better after FA and LBJ forms a superteam?

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Can Lakers get LBJ, PG13, and CP3?

LBJ and CP3 as max free agents and PG13 through sign and trade?

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11 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Once they signed LeBron and George, they would be at the salary cap and in a salary match situation. The Lakers would likely have to offer Deng to apply to the salary matching, throw in a couple of the kids (Ball / Ingram / Kuzma), and offer a couple of first rounders to even get New Orleans to pick up the phone. IMO, if AD was on the trading block, the Celtics have a lot more to offer that then Lakers do. And I doubt the Pelicans would be that enthralled with the Lakers trade package.

Makes no sense from NO's standpoint. And the value of any Lakers picks immediately dies if Lebron signs there. And they get dumb Deng and dumb Lonzo's dumb dad? Cool.

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19 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Once they signed LeBron and George, they would be at the salary cap and in a salary match situation. The Lakers would likely have to offer Deng to apply to the salary matching, throw in a couple of the kids (Ball / Ingram / Kuzma), and offer a couple of first rounders to even get New Orleans to pick up the phone. IMO, if AD was on the trading block, the Celtics have a lot more to offer that then Lakers do. And I doubt the Pelicans would be that enthralled with the Lakers trade package.

Agree re Boston :thumbup: Davis is another potential HUGE chip in what could be another crazy NBA off season. Wanted to get his name out there :popcorn: 

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46 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

Also gonna keep my eyeball on Boston to win the East. Seems very likely if James lands in the West or in Boston, obviously.

:tfp:  have you forgot the 6'ers play in the East??

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44 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

I'm more impressed with James' ability to drag otherwise-lotto teams to the Finals than Jordan getting otherwise-2nd round playoff teams to titles.

ehh, it was a joke cause I will be salty if all this smoke about Lebron joining the 6'ers for the last 1.5 years is for nothing

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Just now, modogg said:

:tfp:  have you forgot the 6'ers play in the East??

Are they going to set up a ladder in the middle of the key so Fultz can shoot?

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13 minutes ago, Charlie Harper said:

Can Lakers get LBJ, PG13, and CP3?

LBJ and CP3 as max free agents and PG13 through sign and trade?

Probably not. The Lakers are said to have $61 million in available cap space and it would probably take $70-75 million to max out James and Paul. If they found someone to take on Deng's $18 million contract, then possibly they could sign two true max free agents. But there aren't many teams other than the Lakers with a ton of salary cap space to just eat $18 million. And the next issue would be they would not have enough salary to trade for the third guy getting a max contract in a sign and trade in a salary match situation. Also, by that point there would not be a lot in it for the team doing the sign and trade. It will be extremely difficult in today's NBA for any team to roster three max contracts.

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10 hours ago, modogg said:

if Lebron signs with the Lakers this July, Michael Jordan is the best player ever. no doubt

The butthurt look on you isn't a good look. 

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1 hour ago, Charlie Harper said:

Good for you. I know you've been firmly behind Dubs futures, but a M5!!!! Nice.

The kid was looking at taking a 15 year old Acura to college. An FBG convinced me to bet heavy if I believed what I said about Durant to GS. So I did. I almost bought a silly old supercar for my midlife crisis needs, so I could give the kid my daily driver to take to school. Then in PMs @sbonomo(who knows cars better than the rest of us) called me stupid and told me to get an M5, even linked me to one he liked. It's a 2012 so nowhere near a new one in value. NBA threads may attract idiocy, but there's some smart people around here worth listening to sometimes.

I think I'm all in again. The odds will move but this isn't about that. It's about the foregone conclusion that some won't accept. I've been betting throughout the seasons like making payments, so the odds are what they are when I get to Vegas with discretionary funds. I sometimes wonder why I bet on anything else. 5 Dimes only let's me make $50 NBA bets.

My opinion (hot take) of Durant on the all-time list would fire up the crazy here. I'm far more certain he stays than I am Lebron goes to LA, but the 2019 title goes from probable no brainer to no bets if he leaves. I'll start with a small wager on the Dubs when I cash then wait for Lebron and Durant to commit. I should be buying free drinks at a few sportsbooks today as my family is having a big pool party in Vegas, but I'm too lazy to drive despite the 560 horses with 500 lb-ft of torque and paddle shifters. I need to get rid of this beast. :lol:

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2 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

The butthurt look on you isn't a good look. 

It's lovely.

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1 hour ago, Good Posting Judge said:

 

Makes no sense from NO's standpoint. And the value of any Lakers picks immediately dies if Lebron signs there. And they get dumb Deng and dumb Lonzo's dumb dad? Cool.

But it is the Lakers and then you have the inside track on the other Ball kids. 

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3 hours ago, Raging weasel said:

If nation wide gambling on NBA games was legal this season would the Cavs or James be fined for not disclosing his hand injury? Is there something in their CBA that says injuries can be hidden? In the NFL you have to put a guy on the injury report for even the smallest injury or face fines and I'm pretty sure that's all because of gambling.

Yeah, that's comical the league wants an integrity fee.  Legalized sports betting is now here and the NBA decided to hide a known injury to the league's most popular player.  OOF

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17 minutes ago, msudaisy26 said:

But it is the Lakers and then you have the inside track on the other Ball kids. 

You can never have enough Balls...

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2 hours ago, Chaos Commish said:

4 entertainment industry sources have told a Lakers insider Bron is coming to LA. It's done. Take the +200.

  

I don't know where you are seeing +200

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14 hours ago, modogg said:

i am just not seeing it. were Lakers better than Cavs without Lebron? Lakers certainly young and have upside, but 1/3 of the league was actively tanking at various points last year when Lakers had no incentive to. they are young, but i just can't see it.

i think when Lebron says his family will weigh in heavily with this decision he is saying he doesn't want to force them to move a ton. if he was still in his 1 year deals maybe, but i can't see a reason why he goes to LA

Yes the Lakers with PG13 are better than the Cavs.  WAY better.  

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13 hours ago, modogg said:

 i just can't see a team like the Lakers come completely out of nowhere (they have talked about this for the better part of the year). if the Lakers were a possibility i would have thought we would have heard a rumbling or 2 during the year

Are you saying you haven't heard rumors about LeBron going to the Lakers until now?

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13 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I don't know where you are seeing +200

Bovada has it as follows:

Lakers - 7/4
76ers - 11/5
Rockets - 5/2
Cavaliers - 5/1
Spurs - 8/1
Celtics - 12/1
Warriors - 30/1
Knicks - 30/1
Heat - 40/1

BetOnLine and OddsShark have it at:

Los Angeles Lakers +200
Houston Rockets +275
Philadelphia 76ers +300
Cleveland Cavaliers +700
San Antonio Spurs +1000
Golden State Warriors +2500
Los Angeles Clippers +2500
Miami Heat +3300

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14 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

Yes the Lakers with PG13 are better than the Cavs.  WAY better.  

You're saying if PG13 was on the Lakers this year and they faced off in a 7 game series against those Lebron led Cavs, the Lakers would roll?

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4 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Bovada has it as follows:

Lakers - 7/4
76ers - 11/5
Rockets - 5/2
Cavaliers - 5/1
Spurs - 8/1
Celtics - 12/1
Warriors - 30/1
Knicks - 30/1
Heat - 40/1

BetOnLine and OddsShark have it at:

Los Angeles Lakers +200
Houston Rockets +275
Philadelphia 76ers +300
Cleveland Cavaliers +700
San Antonio Spurs +1000
Golden State Warriors +2500
Los Angeles Clippers +2500
Miami Heat +3300

BOL has the Lakers at -110 right now.

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Just now, Bobcat10 said:

You're saying if PG13 was on the Lakers this year and they faced off in a 7 game series against those Lebron led Cavs, the Lakers would roll?

He is saying the 2017-18 Lakers with LeBron and the supporting cast of George and others is better than a 2017-18 team with LeBron and the Cavs supporting cast.

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5 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Bovada has it as follows:

Lakers - 7/4
76ers - 11/5
Rockets - 5/2
Cavaliers - 5/1
Spurs - 8/1
Celtics - 12/1
Warriors - 30/1
Knicks - 30/1
Heat - 40/1

BetOnLine and OddsShark have it at:

Los Angeles Lakers +200
Houston Rockets +275
Philadelphia 76ers +300
Cleveland Cavaliers +700
San Antonio Spurs +1000
Golden State Warriors +2500
Los Angeles Clippers +2500
Miami Heat +3300

BetOnline is -110.  Bookmaker is -140 ($1000 limit).  Bovada OTB

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Just now, tjnc09 said:

BetOnline is -110.  Bookmaker is -140 ($1000 limit).  Bovada OTB

The most current info I had was from last night, so it clearly changed (and will change) quickly.

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8 minutes ago, Bobcat10 said:

You're saying if PG13 was on the Lakers this year and they faced off in a 7 game series against those Lebron led Cavs, the Lakers would roll?

No.  I'm saying that a hypothetical LeBron, PG13, and the rest of the Lakers (minus Randle, to be fair) would crush the 2017 LeBron led Cavs.  

ETA:  Not only do I think they're better right now, but that Laker team moving forward is light years ahead of the presently constituted Cavs. PG13 >>>>> Love, and the next best assets are Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, and probably Josh Hart. 

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I'm a big LeBron fan but that Finals streak dies if he goes out West. Nothing he puts together in LA is going to beat Oakland.

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4 minutes ago, Insein said:

I'm a big LeBron fan but that Finals streak dies if he goes out West. Nothing he puts together in LA is going to beat Oakland.

Not to mention he suggested in his game four postgame presser that he's looking to join a situation with cerebral players who have demonstrated they're ready to compete for a championship. I don't see how the Lakers qualify here, even if they add George.

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And Bobcat, to be fair, that's not necessarily an indictment of the Cavs - they've completely sold out their future to win the last several years. Which was the right move. The Lakers have done the exact opposite.  It's only natural that from a "this point forward" standpoint, a young Laker team with only 1 bad asset (Deng) is in a better position based on recent franchise motivations.  

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3 minutes ago, drpill said:

Not to mention he suggested in his game four postgame presser that he's looking to join a situation with cerebral players who have demonstrated they're ready to compete for a championship. I don't see how the Lakers qualify here, even if they add George.

I think if you compare any team to the Warriors on paper, you'll reach the same conclusion that "they can't compete for a championship".  The Cavs just competed and finished 2nd overall, with a roster that is worse than what the Lakers + PG13 can offer LeBron in 2018-19.  How is that no "competing" for a championship?

Look - the Warriors IMO are the GTOAT.  That said, you can't just write off the West for the next 3 years and tell the other 14 teams to fold. That's silly and not the way the world works.  Crazy stuff happens in sports.  A player get hurt.  A suspension changes the dynamic of a series.  A rookie or role player out of no where makes the leap and becomes a championship piece.  

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40 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I don't know where you are seeing +200

Flranger and msudaisy posted it yesterday. I believe reported by Forbes. Bovada is still close to that last I checked, around +170.

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26 minutes ago, Good Posting Judge said:

BOL has the Lakers at -110 right now.

It's moved quickly.

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2 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Probably not. The Lakers are said to have $61 million in available cap space and it would probably take $70-75 million to max out James and Paul. If they found someone to take on Deng's $18 million contract, then possibly they could sign two true max free agents. But there aren't many teams other than the Lakers with a ton of salary cap space to just eat $18 million. And the next issue would be they would not have enough salary to trade for the third guy getting a max contract in a sign and trade in a salary match situation. Also, by that point there would not be a lot in it for the team doing the sign and trade. It will be extremely difficult in today's NBA for any team to roster three max contracts.

All this, plus the fact that despite the narrative, the Lakers absolutely love Lonzo Ball.  The number of people writing off a rookie PG who was plauged by injuries but averaged 10-7-7 at age 20 in mind boggling.  Lonzo is exactly what LeBron and PG13 need at this point in their careers. He can play make and save them tons of energy on offense, and he can be an elite perimeter defender to complement those two and their elite level D.  

People are way, way over their skiis on the anti-Lonzo stuff.  You guys are sleeping.  

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21 minutes ago, Insein said:

I'm a big LeBron fan but that Finals streak dies if he goes out West. Nothing he puts together in LA is going to beat Oakland.

Lebron and Durant go to LA.

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GOD IT FEELS SO GOOD TO FINALLY BE ABLE TO TALK BASKETBALL AGAIN!!!!!!  :bag::bag:

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10 minutes ago, Chaos Commish said:

Flranger and msudaisy posted it yesterday. I believe reported by Forbes. Bovada is still close to that last I checked, around +170.

I just searched Bovada for "LeBron" and nothing showed up.  Either it's OTB or the same people who created their search engine as FBG.  

+170 is a great price if it's available even if it ends up wrong.  -140 is closer to the efficient price because Bookmaker will have higher limits on this prop.

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14 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

All this, plus the fact that despite the narrative, the Lakers absolutely love Lonzo Ball.  The number of people writing off a rookie PG who was plauged by injuries but averaged 10-7-7 at age 20 in mind boggling.  Lonzo is exactly what LeBron and PG13 need at this point in their careers. He can play make and save them tons of energy on offense, and he can be an elite perimeter defender to complement those two and their elite level D.  

People are way, way over their skiis on the anti-Lonzo stuff.  You guys are sleeping.  

Dude, he missed a third of the season with injuries and he can't shoot. He's got major work to do just to become a non-liability on offense. I'm not saying he can't do it (though history doesn't suggest a high probability of superstardom for him), and that he doesn't have some above average skills, but the stuff he's lacking are serious problems if you're looking to compete night in night out and in the playoffs. He's far from giving LeBron and George what they "need." You're better off selling them on Ingram, Kuzma and Hart - those guys are good fits for LeBron if the Lakers can add another strong 3 point shooter or two.

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5 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

All this, plus the fact that despite the narrative, the Lakers absolutely love Lonzo Ball.  The number of people writing off a rookie PG who was plauged by injuries but averaged 10-7-7 at age 20 in mind boggling.  Lonzo is exactly what LeBron and PG13 need at this point in their careers. He can play make and save them tons of energy on offense, and he can be an elite perimeter defender to complement those two and their elite level D.  

People are way, way over their skiis on the anti-Lonzo stuff.  You guys are sleeping.  

Yeah that's all great but what Lebron really needs is perimeter players who can drain threes. The cliche 3 and D guys. This is the NBA now, and Lonzo is a liability, especially in the playoffs when the D gets turned up to 11. Same with Ben Simmons. He's a great talent and Lo is a decent talent. Ben would be freakishly dominant in other eras and Lo would be a star. In this era they are liabilities. Rondo was a finals MVP not long ago. He's the poster boy for the past era, an anachronism compared to Curry. Basketball isn't today what it was a decade ago. You have to work at wrapping your head around it. No team with poor shooters play making is going to win a championship in this era. Philly should get all it can for Ben and Fultz and LA should move Lo. :hot:

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29 minutes ago, tommyGunZ said:

And Bobcat, to be fair, that's not necessarily an indictment of the Cavs - they've completely sold out their future to win the last several years. Which was the right move. The Lakers have done the exact opposite.  It's only natural that from a "this point forward" standpoint, a young Laker team with only 1 bad asset (Deng) is in a better position based on recent franchise motivations.  

I understand you totally.  :thumbup:  What I initially responded to was a little vague and I presented only one way it could have been interpreted.  The post you were replying to wasn't much help either. 

I do think the Lakers would make other roster changes if they land Lebron, as others are pointing out.  But let's get to that point first, although it is fun to speculate multiple moves down the line.

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3 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

IMO, if AD was on the trading block, the Celtics have a lot more to offer that the Lakers do. And I doubt the Pelicans would be that enthralled with the Lakers trade package.

Why would the Pelicans consider trading Davis at all after finally winning a playoff series with him?

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Why would the Pelicans consider trading Davis at all after finally winning a playoff series with him?

I never get the tendency for people to come up with hypotheticals where the Pelicans are getting rid of Davis.

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Warriors with some quality trolling at the parade:

Quikie Loans Arena: The Sweep

Draymond with an Arthur fist with three rings T

Cop cars have crying LeBron faces on them

Not saying it's going to happen but it would not surprise me to see LeBron take substantially less so he can get some cupcake/graveyard jokes in.

Narrator: He really is a crybaby

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