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Since your the OP, why didn't you include the Steelers, Packers, and Giants in your original question?
Common fallacy to count Super Bowl losses as a net negative for a franchise. Every Super Bowl loss is a conference championship...no mean feat in its own right.
While I won't consider myself a Steelers fan, that's the one franchise I respect more than any other. They seem to do things right. Their owner has been the best in the business, they treat their coaches well, they have a fan base I actually like most of whom I've met, they seem to avoid controversy.
Post salary cap era when keeping teams together for long stretches is near impossible it is NE and no other team is in the same universe. Pre SB era when the entire league was smaller than the conferences are now, who knows? Who cares? Pre salary cap post SB era you can make an argument for a lot of teams. Pre and post salary cap, all things considered NE has as good a claim as any team and probably only pitt would be close imho. To dominate for almost 2 decades with the salary cap driven turnover teams play under now is something we likely won't see again for a long, long time. Reasonable minds can disagree (and im sure they will
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I have never understood this argument. Let’s reward a team for not advancing in the playioffs and losing BEFORE the SB. Or better still, let’s praise them for not even making the playoffs. In reality, every year a team didn’t even play in the SB should count as a year that they didn’t win the SB. So in that regard SF is really 5-47 in the SB era in years winning the SB.
Yeah for me it's between Green Bay and Pittsburgh. Both have excellent fan bases, franchises run the "right" way, very little controversy- if any and seem to be relevant more often than not. Not surprisingly, Green Bay has the most championships and Pittsburgh most "Super Bowl" trophies. Those two are the top 2 of all time. SF might be #3 IMO
Baltimore
Your knowledge is not correct as san fran has lost a superbowl to baltimore.....Yeah for me it's between Green Bay and Pittsburgh. Both have excellent fan bases, franchises run the "right" way, very little controversy- if any and seem to be relevant more often than not. Not surprisingly, Green Bay has the most championships and Pittsburgh most "Super Bowl" trophies. Those two are the top 2 of all time. SF might be #3 IMO
Aside from that we could make cases for many other franchises for the top 5. NE (talk to me when NE wins a SB with a different QB) and DAL would not likely make the top 5. NY Giants, Redskins, Dolphins, Raiders all have a better case than the Cowboys would IMHO.
New England has the greatest "dynasty" of all time considering the last ~15 years, but they don't belong in the greatest franchise of all time discussion until they can boast the history SF, GB, and PIT have had (50 years of on/off success/relevancy)
Baltimore
While that's true, I believe the poster was referring to SF off this list of 3. If my knowledge is correct, they are 5-0 in super bowls
Activatng “pedant mode:”Baltimore
It doesn't hurt that the AFC East has been a dumpster fire.Post salary cap era when keeping teams together for long stretches is near impossible it is NE and no other team is in the same universe. Pre SB era when the entire league was smaller than the conferences are now, who knows? Who cares? Pre salary cap post SB era you can make an argument for a lot of teams. Pre and post salary cap, all things considered NE has as good a claim as any team and probably only pitt would be close imho. To dominate for almost 2 decades with the salary cap driven turnover teams play under now is something we likely won't see again for a long, long time. Reasonable minds can disagree (and im sure they will
This... plus the cheating.
but I'm just big on integrity. ah yes the game that sent crapernick into the abyss and made Flacco the highest paid QB in the league for a short period of time
They actually had a guy in the stands filming the Jets coaches giving signals during a game.
Dude really? Why not take me up on one of the many open offers I have made to honestly debate this crap?This... plus the cheating.
I'll remain forever suspicious about the super bowl vs. STL. The fact that the evidence was reviewed by only Goodell, deemed not cheating, and then destroyed is pretty suspicious. If the evidence was benign, why destroy it? The only reason to destroy it would be to cover up cheating. Otherwise, if it is nothing, you make it public, clear their (Pats) name, and everyone is like, "oh yeah, that's nothing. Legit super bowl win. Let's move on."
To me this explains the ridiculous overreaction to the deflated balls. Goodell likely saw the cheating in those tapes and said, "It would be disastrous for the game if this got out. I'll destroy it, but don't pull anymore crap." They not only pull more crap, but get caught, and suddenly we have an extremely heavy handed punishment for a really stupid, meaningless infraction. I think there was a pretty heavy punishment when they got caught taping the Jets' practices, too.
Sorry for the
I think its hard for the Bucs to be the worst modern team. They had a relatively recent SB. The browns have two winning season, one playoff appearance and no division titles since they came back in 1999
Sorry, haven't seen any of your open offers. Really. But there's nothing you can say on the matter that will change how shady it is that the evidence was destroyed. There is no compelling reason to take such a drastic action if the evidence actually cleared the Pats of wrongdoing.
But the evidence didn't clear NE at all, this is where you stray from fact and go into conjecture wishful thinking mode. Stick to the fact(s) of what they were punished for rather than dreaming and projecting what you think could have maybe (in ur wildest dreams) happened.FF Ninja said:
I suggest you back away. Pat fans slurp up any propaganda (that would make Putin blush) posted on the team website like it's the gospel.
You NE fans have such an inflated perceptions of self worth. Nobody is dreaming of this stuff. The reality is that we're all just going about our lives and then take a moment to roll our eyes when NE gets caught cheating again and then we move on. Nobody cares as much as you guys think we do. At most we get a good laugh at the thought of Tom Brady destroying his phone.
