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GB RB Aaron Jones Suspended 2 Games (1 Viewer)
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
tough couple games to start the season - Bears and Vikings @ GB..could be worse, but as a team GB rushed for 72 and 91 yards against each @ home last season..
disclaimer - in a dynasty league I own both Jones and JW. I'm somewhat hopeful that one of them rises to the top spot here, but even under the best of circumstances this has a full blown RBBC written all over it..you're probably relying on an injury to sideline one of the 3 to provide some clarity.
but as of right now, JW is a SELL HIGH candidate - get what you can. this situation has a King Ghidorah feel to it..i.e., the 3 headed monster..
disclaimer - in a dynasty league I own both Jones and JW. I'm somewhat hopeful that one of them rises to the top spot here, but even under the best of circumstances this has a full blown RBBC written all over it..you're probably relying on an injury to sideline one of the 3 to provide some clarity.
but as of right now, JW is a SELL HIGH candidate - get what you can. this situation has a King Ghidorah feel to it..i.e., the 3 headed monster..
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If that is your take than you have love to love this. Williams will shoot up ADP and Jones will sink.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
I get the thought, but he seems like a better hold than sell to me. I just can’t see getting much for him, even with this news.
TripItUp
Footballguy
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Jamaal is a better all around back but Jones is the best runner on the team. this is a widely accepted fact.
Williams doesnt have the dynamic ability Jones has to score from anywhere on the field.
This suspension is much to do about nothing. two tough opponents. we get to watch JW look like hes running through quicksand for 2 weeks and then Jones can provide the spark this offense needs. Jones was inactive week 1 last year and did just fine.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Didn't realize you were a new Packers coach knowing exactly how the RB position will sort it's way out being so knowledgeable about what they do every single day.
Jamaal is better but apparently runs through quicksand while Jones isn't as good, yet provides sparks. Do you see all the contradictions you just made?
If Jamaal is the better all around back then why are you all aboard Aaron Jones as the guy who will be fine and not JW?
Color me an optimist but Jamaal Williams said he's working on being more explosive while Aaron Jones is working on bulking up. I can't remember many, if any, times that "bulking up" has proved to work. But I can remember a couple times that being more explosive has.
dipandglide
Footballguy
He's been hanging from Jones nuts in all of these conversations.
It's silly to think this means nothing for Jones. If Williams comes out and does work, AJ just got demoted to permanent COP duty. Opportunity is everything is FB/FFB. You don't have an opportunity when watching the game from the locker room.
TripItUp
Footballguy
But we know Williams is an inferior runner when compared to Jones based on pretty much every rb metric... jones will have the early down work by mid season.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
While ostensibly giving Williams and TyMo more of a chance to cement their own roles, this news doesn't change my mind about trying to avoid this backfield in the draft.
One of these guys is absolutely going to have value, but it is so hard to determine who that would be, I'd rather place more easily hedged bets elsewhere. This suspension doesn't make it any clearer to me that Williams and/or Montgomery will be the guy any more than Jones when he returns from suspension.
Of more interest to me is the NFL-impact of this backfield, and whether/how GB can leverage these three fairly talented-but-not-elite backs together in this offense -- or if the downside of rotation/splitting carries occurs in not allowing any one back to really get a head of steam.
One of these guys is absolutely going to have value, but it is so hard to determine who that would be, I'd rather place more easily hedged bets elsewhere. This suspension doesn't make it any clearer to me that Williams and/or Montgomery will be the guy any more than Jones when he returns from suspension.
Of more interest to me is the NFL-impact of this backfield, and whether/how GB can leverage these three fairly talented-but-not-elite backs together in this offense -- or if the downside of rotation/splitting carries occurs in not allowing any one back to really get a head of steam.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I hope this news is at the forefront of peoples minds when drafting and that Aaron Jones sees a huge drop in his ADP so that I can pick him up at a more reasonable price.
Jones and Williams have been neck and neck so far this offseason in terms of rankings and ADP with Williams providing the cheaper price. With this news I see that reversing itself and I may end up with Jones on some of my teams now because of it.
Jones and Williams have been neck and neck so far this offseason in terms of rankings and ADP with Williams providing the cheaper price. With this news I see that reversing itself and I may end up with Jones on some of my teams now because of it.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Everyone says jones is the better runner, but at the end of the year with both healthy Williams got the work. I don’t see jones having the lions share if this backfield at all unless someone gets injured. He had a decent 4 game stretch last year and was cop or injured the rest. I’ll take Williams then and even more now. Jones lovers are already writing off the first two games, but even if Williams doesn’t have 5+ ypc he can solidify that job if he plays well, takes care of his assignments, etc.
Just watching both guys play last year, they are different runners. Williams can handle contact, Jones doesn’t and will go down much easier. Williams was also far superior in the passing game, it’s kind f baffling how Rodgers apparently endorses Jones but the dude was not good running routes for him. On the flip side, Jones appears to be far more explosive when he finds and opening, he also is either greased up in baby oil or has tremendous vision when you see the way he slips through some of those holes.
JW also spent most of his games running with Hundley. That means stacked boxes. The one game he played with Rodgers, he looked worse than Jones running and yet, JW played most of the snaps and got handoffs into the 4th when they were in comeback mode. That signals, to me, that he is more trusted as blocker than Jones.
I think Williams gets to use this suspension to practice as the starter all off season (barring a resurgence from Monty) and obviously gets 2 games to cement it. He might be able to get it done. From a talent perspective, I’d rather have Jones starting but he becomes a risky prospect now. Opportunity is king in the NFL and JW has this far been more durable and has the opportunity
JW also spent most of his games running with Hundley. That means stacked boxes. The one game he played with Rodgers, he looked worse than Jones running and yet, JW played most of the snaps and got handoffs into the 4th when they were in comeback mode. That signals, to me, that he is more trusted as blocker than Jones.
I think Williams gets to use this suspension to practice as the starter all off season (barring a resurgence from Monty) and obviously gets 2 games to cement it. He might be able to get it done. From a talent perspective, I’d rather have Jones starting but he becomes a risky prospect now. Opportunity is king in the NFL and JW has this far been more durable and has the opportunity
Interseptopus
Footballguy
first, I personally know someone within the organization who is there daily with the players. so I know quite a bit. if you dont care to hear it then dont read and respond to what I have to say. but that's besides the point and has no bearing on my post, which is just an opinion. a lot of people in here have opinions, many similar to mine, but you opted to only be hostile toward me and single me out. Interesting
Jamaal, last year, was the better receiver and better pass blocker.
Jones was by far the best runner.
I dont know why that's so hard to understand. I even tried to use small words.
If you dont think jamaal looks like hes running through quick sand then you didn't watch a single packer game
jamaal William's is working on being more explosive, which is something that cant really be taught aside from adjusting running mechanics, but that's besides the point. Jones is working on bulking up to be a better pass blocker and more durable. both are working on what the other has as a strength
FWIW Jones' bulk has included some obvious lower extremity according to reports. so his arms aren't just bigger. last I checked, RBs use their legs
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squistion
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I missed you correctingnm this condescension:
if you're going to be the forum police you may as well be consistent
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squistion
Footballguy
He didn't question your intelligence with a remark like "I even tried to use small words"
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I deleted everything irrelevant from your initial post so I can keep this about football rather than personal like you want to make it.
1. I was never hostile, just questioning why you know so much better than everyone else on this forum. If you want to take that personally, that's your problem.
2. I was genuinely curious as to your "inside info" on the situation, not your personal opinion. Yet you state your own opinion as fact. Maybe you're speaking on behalf of your friend in the organization, and if you are, then state that. But your opinion isn't what I was searching for. I was just trying to sort out your contradictions galore.
3. As a coach myself for a different sport you can definitely teach being explosive and improving footwork without adjusting mechanics. It's a practiced trait if you don't have it naturally.
From your own words, Jamaal is the better receiver and pass blocker, pretty important in a spread offense along with Aaron Rodgers if you ask me. I don't think he looked like quicksand last year, definitely a bit slow though. If he's improving on that then good for him. I'm glad you realize RB's use their legs, and again your condescension is compelling, but that won't help him break through the line when everyone stands above him, it's his quickness that'll make that applicable, to make sure they don't tackle him head on and more arm tackles. Sure his bulk up might break a few more tackles, but if he isn't quick to elude, then his "bulk" won't do anything in the run game. Might improve his pass blocking a bit but I doubt it since he's still 5'9".
Slider
Footballguy
This "bulked up" is kind of ridiculous. As an avid lifter, you can put on 5-8 pounds of muscle in an offseason if you weren't much of a lifter before. You also have to be a great eater to do this. Without gear, he's not bulking up without eating a ton. So bulking up in an offseason requires you to lift 5 or 6 days a week, eat a ton of clean food and be strict.
If you weren't doing this before you generally lose fat while doing it and you're not bulking up a whole lot. And if you do, you might be 30% stronger but not like Superman or anything.
He'd have to do it for three years before I gave it any substantial difference. If he did it in a year he'll probably be hurt week 5.
If you weren't doing this before you generally lose fat while doing it and you're not bulking up a whole lot. And if you do, you might be 30% stronger but not like Superman or anything.
He'd have to do it for three years before I gave it any substantial difference. If he did it in a year he'll probably be hurt week 5.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yep. The key is being a newbie at lifting which no professional football player is. It's reasonable for a newbie to gain 5-8 pounds of lean muscle in 6 months using proven programming & eating a ton of calories, but as you know, well-trained athletes can only gain a fraction of that.
Hopefully, people will finally quit believing these BS stories now that it's been addressed. I can only imagine the look on Layne Norton's face (or some other knowledgeable person in the exercise science field) when a pro football player says he gained 20 pounds of muscle in an offseason. They would be like, "you did what"? Priceless, LOL.
The real question is how much stronger did Jones get & how much will it help? Even if he did get 30% stronger this offseason, it doesn't mean he's going to be 30% more effective. We're talking percentage points as far as the transferrable value on the field.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Time to queue up Judy Collins “Send in the Clowns”... don’t bother they’re here. ^^^^
