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Since some of the individual SW movie threads end up discussing the overall SW Universe, as well as other SW movies not in the OP, I thought I’d start an overall Star Wars Universe thread to capture general SW thoughts, rumors, opinions, rants and Wookiee love. 

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22 minutes ago, joey said:

Since some of the individual SW movie threads end up discussing the overall SW Universe, as well as other SW movies not in the OP, I thought I’d start an overall Star Wars Universe thread to capture general SW thoughts, rumors, opinions, rants and Wookiee love. 

Have you ever tried to break up with a Wookie?  Bad idea. 

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15 years ago, Star Wars was all I could think about. 10 years ago, still loved Star Wars but didn't expect anything new for years to come if ever. 5 years ago, I was excited for new material and a new direction. This past year I find myself not caring as much. Maybe I've grown up but I doubt it's that. I just can't invest the time I once did in this universe anymore. So much of what I loved is already gone.

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32 minutes ago, joey said:

Since some of the individual SW movie threads end up discussing the overall SW Universe, as well as other SW movies not in the OP, I thought I’d start an overall Star Wars Universe thread to capture general SW thoughts, rumors, opinions, rants and Wookiee love. 

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33 minutes ago, Insein said:

15 years ago, Star Wars was all I could think about. 10 years ago, still loved Star Wars but didn't expect anything new for years to come if ever. 5 years ago, I was excited for new material and a new direction. This past year I find myself not caring as much. Maybe I've grown up but I doubt it's that. I just can't invest the time I once did in this universe anymore. So much of what I loved is already gone.

I have a vested interest in the SW Universe continuing to do well, since it pays the bills, besides the fact that I grew up loving it. Star Wars, as well as Jurassic Park, are the reason I do what I do for a living. So, yes, I’m still very interested in Star Wars , but I’m very interested to hear people's takes on these movies cuz, at the end of the day, it’s all about being entertained by fun movies (and killer special effects, of course!)

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47 minutes ago, Insein said:

15 years ago, Star Wars was all I could think about. 10 years ago, still loved Star Wars but didn't expect anything new for years to come if ever. 5 years ago, I was excited for new material and a new direction. This past year I find myself not caring as much. Maybe I've grown up but I doubt it's that. I just can't invest the time I once did in this universe anymore. So much of what I loved is already gone.

Yep.  This is the first time in my life that I haven't been excited about a SW movie coming out.  I haven't bothered to get Last Jedi on bluray yet, which is also a first.   

I know it has zip to do with growing up since I am still geeked to see Marvel stuff - I am guessing it has a lot more to do with the subpar product they have decided to trot out in the last decade +.  

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1 minute ago, joey said:

I have a vested interest in the SW Universe continuing to do well, since it pays the bills, besides the fact that I grew up loving it. Star Wars, as well as Jurassic Park, are the reason I do what I do for a living. So, yes, I’m still very interested in Star Wars , but I’m very interested to hear people's takes on these movies cuz, at the end of the day, it’s all about being entertained by fun movies (and killer special effects, of course!)

The last Jedi wore on me. I saw it twice in theaters. Once with my friends and second time with my kids. I was so angry after the first viewing. It wasn't that they were trying new stuff it's just that they were doing it poorly. It made me cringe the whole time.

The second time was my kids first Star Wars movie. They enjoyed it and I'm happy for that but a part of me felt sad knowing that I wasn't ever going to be excited for a Star Wars movie ever again. 

Solo looked pretty cool but it's the first movie I haven't seen in the theater. While all the others I saw first day or opening weekend, Solo I don't really have as a priority to see. I'll catch it on Blu Ray.

The spark is gone. Even the prequels left me feeling satisfied and wanting more Star Wars. Last Jedi just kind of left me apathetic to the whole thing.

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I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.

But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.

The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.

Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.

:rant:

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11 minutes ago, Politician Spock said:

I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.

But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.

The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.

Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.

:rant:

Think of it like the first order ships having the braking system of a 747, and the Milenium Falcon having the braking system of a Ford Escort. 

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I used to be super into Star Wars. Back when my income was disposable I even collected those expensive lightsaber replicas. Now, I still enjoy the movies and all but I’ve kind of grown up a little. I now consider movies from my childhood like Ghostbusters and Karate Kid to be more enjoyable. 

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15 minutes ago, Scoresman said:

I used to be super into Star Wars. Back when my income was disposable I even collected those expensive lightsaber replicas. Now, I still enjoy the movies and all but I’ve kind of grown up a little. I now consider movies from my childhood like Ghostbusters and Karate Kid to be more enjoyable. 

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10 hours ago, Insein said:

The last Jedi wore on me. I saw it twice in theaters. Once with my friends and second time with my kids. I was so angry after the first viewing. It wasn't that they were trying new stuff it's just that they were doing it poorly. It made me cringe the whole time.

The second time was my kids first Star Wars movie. They enjoyed it and I'm happy for that but a part of me felt sad knowing that I wasn't ever going to be excited for a Star Wars movie ever again. 

Solo looked pretty cool but it's the first movie I haven't seen in the theater. While all the others I saw first day or opening weekend, Solo I don't really have as a priority to see. I'll catch it on Blu Ray.

The spark is gone. Even the prequels left me feeling satisfied and wanting more Star Wars. Last Jedi just kind of left me apathetic to the whole thing.

I enjoyed the Last Jedi as I have all the Star Wars films. It had it's flaws but it was still a fun SW flick. You missed out by not seeing Solo in the theater. I watched it twice to make up for it for you.

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2 hours ago, Politician Spock said:

I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.

But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.

The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.

Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.

:rant:

Did the First Order come out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet?

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Just now, Chaka said:

Did the First Order come out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet?

I hate apologetics. 

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30 minutes ago, Politician Spock said:

I hate apologetics. 

I ask because it was far from the first time in the Star Wars movies where ships came out of hyper space.  Every time it appeared to be a hard stop, although it really wasn't that but no need to get into that.  The only exception that I recall was Han Solo doing it in The Force Awakens so it doesn't seem too far of a reach to think coming out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet may make a material difference.

In a universe where dudes fight with light swords (that seemingly have nothing containing the beams) and move objects with their magic mind powers, having a difference based upon theoretical physics wouldn't be a big deal. Particularly not a deal breaker.

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Why are people actually surprised that a duct-taped old wreck like the Falcon has trouble stabilizing its return to normal space, compared to a top-trimmed warship which probably has an entire crew section whose sole job is normalizing hyperspace and realspace velocity vectors all day?

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Last Jedi was God awful, and it almost killed my love for SW.

Mostly out of habit, I went and saw Solo in the theater.  Glad I did.  Great movie that really captures the spirit of a great character.  People that allowed Last Jedi to run them off are missing out.

 

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I didn't see the original trilogy until 15-20 years after release date. Since then I've seen all of the recent movies, part of the animated show and read the first book in the Thrawn series. I like the universe and will keep coming back to it to check out new content, but nothing has been overly impressive to me apart from the original trilogy. Most of it is not very good but I enjoy the universe enough to keep coming back to it.

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3 hours ago, spider321 said:

Last Jedi was God awful, and it almost killed my love for SW.

Mostly out of habit, I went and saw Solo in the theater.  Glad I did.  Great movie that really captures the spirit of a great character.  People that allowed Last Jedi to run them off are missing out.

 

Totally agree.  I was on the "strong dislike" side of the fence for Last Jedi, but Solo proved to be a very good, entertaining and fun movie with that original "Star Wars Feel". 

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1 hour ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

I really have a hard time wrapping my head around the hate for Last Jedi which was probably top-4 in the franchise.

Sure, but when you consider the prequels, is that really that high of a bar to set?

They are just starting off on this endeavor in a sense after buying from Lucas, so I am willing to give a couple more movies a chance.   That said,  I just found LJ to be inconsistent and kind of dull.  Slow speed cruiser chases through space waiting for one to run out of fuel isn't the most exciting theater experience.  Compound that with making the mistake of devoting so much attention to Fin an the girl running around and I was just done.  

Another big thing is that Jedi confirmed for me what I suspected - that they really didn't have an overall vision or plan of where this was all going to go.  They are telling the same story, but felt like 2 different movies, and now we go back to another director.  Could be rumors, but I also thought a podcast was talking about the lack of communication between JJ and Rian as far as what was going on with the story and what their plan was for it.   Just dumb to pay billions for something and not have a plan.   The firings surrounding Solo pointed to that yet again, and was a reason that I stayed away.    As much as I didn't dig LJ, I think it was a good sign that they supposedly signed on Rian for his own trilogy.    Not that everything has to be as tight as Marvel, but they have spoiled us in that way.  IMO the main episodes should be a consistent product, and the side movies like Solo and RO is where you dip your toes into different directions and tones of the movies.  

 

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30 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

Sure, but when you consider the prequels, is that really that high of a bar to set?

 

 

Well, no. But that also calls into question how someone that sat through TPM could consider TLJ their breaking point with the franchise.

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3 minutes ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

Well, no. But that also calls into question how someone that sat through TPM could consider TLJ their breaking point with the franchise.

Because it had a plot.

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I echo the comments some have made here about not being excited about Star Wars anymore.  Well, I should say the main movies anymore.  I will rewatch the OT; heck, I'll even watch the PT if I come across it.  TFA was a fun movie, despite it being a repeat of ANH.  But I never felt I cared for any of the characters.  However, I was all ready for TLJ.  But TLJ just sucked.  It felt disjointed, didn't make much sense, Luke was a ####, and it officially died when Leia went all Mary Poppins.  I've had no desire to even watch it again.  I see it every time I log into Netflix, and I'll watch something else.  I'll probably go see Episode IX because my kids will want to, but I'll have super low expectations.

Rogue One was a good movie.  Solo was a good popcorn flick.  Heck, maybe they'll make another great cartoon.  I love The Clone Wars.  Rebels wasn't bad either.  I'll watch TCW on Netflix before I think about watching TLJ.  

I am concerned Star Wars is going downhill.  

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10 minutes ago, Insein said:

Because it had a plot.

And Darth Maul...and the best lightsaber duel of all time.  Hell that duel was 100x better than TLJ.

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9 hours ago, Politician Spock said:

I hate apologetics. 

I ask because it was far from the first time in the Star Wars movies where ships came out of hyper space.  Every time it appeared to be a hard stop, although it really wasn't that but no need to get into that.  The only exception that I recall was Han Solo doing it in The Force Awakens so it doesn't seem too far of a reach to think coming out of hyper space in the atmosphere of a planet may make a material difference.

In a universe where dudes fight with light swords (that seemingly have nothing containing the beams) and move objects with their magic mind powers, having a difference based upon theoretical physics wouldn't be a big deal. Particularly not a deal breaker.

I hate apologetics.

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6 hours ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

I really have a hard time wrapping my head around the hate for Last Jedi which was probably top-4 in the franchise.

Agree.  All had their flaws.  The good parts in last Jedi were really good.  Pretty much just hated the casino stuff and space leia

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2 hours ago, Politician Spock said:

 

I hate apologetics.

I appreciate it but that response feels like a Dodge.

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14 hours ago, PlasmaDogPlasma said:

I really have a hard time wrapping my head around the hate for Last Jedi which was probably top-4 in the franchise.

I’d watch the entire World Cup before I’d sit through Last Jedi again.

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21 hours ago, Politician Spock said:

I was a Star Wars nerd for decades.

But then I experienced an unresolved conflict so great that I can no longer appreciate any of the movies in the series, even the original.

The issue is in The Force Awakens, Solo comes out of hyperspace as close as he can to the planet so that he doesn't get detected by radar, but slowing down meant flying through trees and #### until if finally drags to a stop on the snow.

Then at the very beginning of the next movie, The Last Jedi, the first order ships come out of hyperspace and stop on a dime.

:rant:

Yes, this is the first and greatest unresolved conflict in the SW universe.

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On 7/4/2018 at 0:48 AM, joey said:

I have a vested interest in the SW Universe continuing to do well, since it pays the bills, besides the fact that I grew up loving it. Star Wars, as well as Jurassic Park, are the reason I do what I do for a living. So, yes, I’m still very interested in Star Wars , but I’m very interested to hear people's takes on these movies cuz, at the end of the day, it’s all about being entertained by fun movies (and killer special effects, of course!)

I appreciate your honesty, and :thumbup: for getting the chance to be attached to something you love and get paid for it.  Normally, I'd keep my SW thoughts more or less to myself, but since this appears to be an attempt at some 'market research', I will gladly offer my perspective, and apologize in advance for it. If you want to skip my testimony, jump down to the last paragraph.

"Episode IV" came out when I was 11, and like so many others, it completely blew me away.  To my 11 year-old mind, everything about it was cool: the special effects, the characters and even the dialog were all perfect.  I saw it 7 times in the theater during its first run, and TBH, on that last viewing, I felt something die, because for the first time, the opening crawl said EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE.  I can still hear the murmur ripple across the audience in that theater.  I didn't mind that it implied that there was going to be a sequel, but wtf start with the 4th part of a story?  That 'disturbance in the force' turned out to be the sound of George Lucas beginning to put profit over storytelling, but at that point, I was already invested in the SW universe.  I was on my way to accumulating a respectable collection of the action figures and even read what I think was the first book to come out after the movie, "Splinter of the Mind's Eye". I wasn't much into reading for pleasure at that time, so I think it was more of a must-read to try to soak up every bit of information available about this galaxy far, far away.  I ultimately shrugged my shoulders and returned to looking forward to the continuation of the story.  

By the Summer of '80, I had not one but two Boba Fett action figures that you could only get by mailing in the proof-of-purchase that was on the packaging of other action figures/toys, and was reasonably excited about the next installment; however, just before I had the chance to finally go see it, one my cousins (R.I.P.) saw it before me and was so excited that he told me all about it, including the Vader reveal.  My brain didn't know how to process that, and when I finally saw it for myself, I was numb and felt I had missed a great moment, and as history has shown, I did.  Saying I never forgave my cousin for that is too strong a term, but as time went on, it bothered me more and more that he had robbed me of such a great moment.  I don't know if it was this spoiler or just the way Empire Strikes Back unfolded, but I was kind of cold to it. I accepted Yoda being a little guy, but other than that, I didn't like him much as a character.  I'll refrain from going into those details because I'm going on too much already and don't want to stray too much more. Anyway, Episode V left me a little disappointed, I think, because the storytelling seemed to be rushed, and I guess it was here that it stopped meeting my lofty expectations.  Nevertheless, I was still invested and wanted to see this thing through to the end.

I will only say two things about Return of the Jedi: first, even my 17 year-old mind could recognize that the ewoks were a blatant attempt at selling more toys and not a useful part of the story.  Second, it was the ending of this movie when I decided that when I die, I wish my body could be burned on a pyre like Luke did with Vader. Other than that, I did like it and felt it was a fair ending to the story arc. 

Then came "Episode I" and the old excitement came flooding back when the first previews came out.  That lasted until the movie went into CGI overload, i.e., Jar Jar, pod racing, etc., and I realized that George Lucas was still more interested in manipulating kids' into wanting the toys than he was in telling the story.   But, I was in my 30's and recognized that any further comparisons to what I thought as an 11 year-old would suffer, I again decided to ride it out since I felt I owed to my past.  Like episodes V and I, I felt that II and III were rushed in the storytelling and overwhelming with the background details and CGI, and since I knew the end of the story already, I felt this part, the way it was told, didn't really lead a 'natural' line to what happens in Episode IV.

It's hard for me to believe, but I got sucked in all over again when the Clone Wars movie came out.  My oldest son was 10 at the time, and I guess I was caught up the moment, thinking it was going to be this great father-son moment where I get to pass down something from my childhood to him, but instead, while the movie itself wasn't terrible, it was also just a way to hype the upcoming TV series, reminding me of what had happened with Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rodgers in the late 70's. Crestfallen is the best way to put it, but no so much so that I forever turned my back.

Before The Force Awakens was announced, I had stumbled upon the Thrawn books in the local public library one day when I was there with my kids, and I thoroughly enjoyed them, but again got a little :rant: upon learning that they "weren't cannon." Heaven forbid that good writing NOT become a legitimate part of this universe.

Instead of staying away, upon hearing that JJ 'lens flare' Abrams was getting involved and as a fanboy himself promising to bring back the good things about that universe, I gave The Force Awakens a chance. All I will say is that he tried, and I liked this better than the prequels, which I've heard a lot of people on the internet say as well, so I'm at least not alone there.  I haven't seen The Last Jedi and despite staying out of the thread about it here and trying to avoid spoilers, I guess I've learned a plot point that I'm going to need sold to me, but again, that's a discussion for a different time.

So, after all that rambling, here's what I want to offer as someone who has spent not only his own but a ton more of his parents money on this franchise and despite being burned/heartbroken by this franchise multiple times over the last 40 years, every time hoping it will redeem itself with its next offering:  FIX THE STORYTELLING. I know it's supposed to be fantasy, but it seems like the special effects and selling toys are what drives the franchise now more than the story. I also understand that at its core it's supposed to a serial, but what made the old serials that supposedly inspired it compelling was their brevity. They would tell a small chapter of a larger story, and would go 15-20 minutes, just enough to enjoy seeing the character(s) in action and trigger speculation about what was to come next but not too much as to start bogging down the part of the story you were seeing.  I think this is why I've stuck with the Gotham TV show.  They have so far stayed true to the essence of what that universe and characters are, and pack so much plot and action into 1 hour that it's always hard to believe they get so much done in just 1 hour.  That's probably also why the Clone Wars series was well-received; it fit the format.  With these movies, however, it almost seems the opposite, in that they have 2+ hours to work with, but still don't do all that much in all that time. Yes, the plot usually jumps from place to place to show other characters and plot lines coming together, but that doesn't always equate to adequate storytelling. The special effects of episode IV sold a lot of toys, but sadly that seemed to eclipse the greatness of Han shooting first or the rescue of Princess Leia and escaping the Death Star, to the point where the effects became the driving force of the franchise instead of just a prop for telling the story.

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11 hours ago, need2know said:

Agree.  All had their flaws.  The good parts in last Jedi were really good.  Pretty much just hated the casino stuff and space leia

And any scene with Rose, by far the worst character ever in Star Wars

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57 minutes ago, Charlie Steiner said:

So, after all that rambling, here's what I want to offer as someone who has spent not only his own but a ton more of his parents money on this franchise and despite being burned/heartbroken by this franchise multiple times over the last 40 years, every time hoping it will redeem itself with its next offering:  FIX THE STORYTELLING. I know it's supposed to be fantasy, but it seems like the special effects and selling toys are what drives the franchise now more than the story. I also understand that at its core it's supposed to a serial, but what made the old serials that supposedly inspired it compelling was their brevity. They would tell a small chapter of a larger story, and would go 15-20 minutes, just enough to enjoy seeing the character(s) in action and trigger speculation about what was to come next but not too much as to start bogging down the part of the story you were seeing.  I think this is why I've stuck with the Gotham TV show.  They have so far stayed true to the essence of what that universe and characters are, and pack so much plot and action into 1 hour that it's always hard to believe they get so much done in just 1 hour.  That's probably also why the Clone Wars series was well-received; it fit the format.  With these movies, however, it almost seems the opposite, in that they have 2+ hours to work with, but still don't do all that much in all that time. Yes, the plot usually jumps from place to place to show other characters and plot lines coming together, but that doesn't always equate to adequate storytelling. The special effects of episode IV sold a lot of toys, but sadly that seemed to eclipse the greatness of Han shooting first or the rescue of Princess Leia and escaping the Death Star, to the point where the effects became the driving force of the franchise instead of just a prop for telling the story.

This.  Definitely this.  Starting with the prequels, and it continues with the sequels, it feels like I need to bring a notebook and highlighter for the opening scroll.  Instead of some simple language and brief introduction from the scroll, you now get a multitude of new names and places and complex situations you are being thrown into.  Then they try to cram in so many different storylines, and different characters, it is just so compressed.

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3 hours ago, spider321 said:

I’d watch the entire World Cup before I’d sit through Last Jedi again.

Both sound great. Might do that today. 

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Agree with the fix the story-telling aspect. I was a huge Star Wars nerd growing up buying up toys, reading almost all of the books (I stopped when they devolved into things like the jedi academy chronicles or Rogue Squadron series when they would let any hack write a book just to sell more copies.) But I was an adult when the prequel trilogy came out and they were so terrible they killed off a lot of my interest in Star Wars. I came back to give it a chance when Disney took over despite my reservations (JJ Abrams was a bad fit IMO) and found the TFA to be a pretty poor film but at least better than the prequels. I'm amazed how many people loved TFA since its a poor imitation and total rehash of the original but to each their own. Rogue One was awesome and the Last Jedi I thought was slightly better than the TFA to be honest but still not great.

Is Solo still out in any theaters? I may go try to finally see it this weekend, but I'd much rather go see Ant-Man & the Wasp to be honest.

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5 minutes ago, Buckna said:

Is Solo still out in any theaters? I may go try to finally see it this weekend, but I'd much rather go see Ant-Man & the Wasp to be honest.

This reminds me of another item that needs to be fixed, and that's the hype train.  Maybe it was because I didn't pay much attention to the news in '77, but it seems like there wasn't a lot of hype leading up to the release of episode IV, outside of the typical commercials with a few clips, which still didn't help make any sense other than it had special effects. Putting "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" into the crawl when it was in theaters was the beginning of the hype train, and everything that has come out since seems to be accompanied by a media blitz, including some really stupid 'details' like the discussion of Lando's sexuality in the runup to the release of Solo.  All that story really did was put the movie in the public eye yet again.  I understand that it's more difficult now to stay OUT of the news than try to get into it, but a story like that is :deadhorse: level, and that shouldn't happen BEFORE the thing even comes out.

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56 minutes ago, Charlie Steiner said:

This reminds me of another item that needs to be fixed, and that's the hype train.  Maybe it was because I didn't pay much attention to the news in '77, but it seems like there wasn't a lot of hype leading up to the release of episode IV, outside of the typical commercials with a few clips, which still didn't help make any sense other than it had special effects. Putting "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" into the crawl when it was in theaters was the beginning of the hype train, and everything that has come out since seems to be accompanied by a media blitz, including some really stupid 'details' like the discussion of Lando's sexuality in the runup to the release of Solo.  All that story really did was put the movie in the public eye yet again.  I understand that it's more difficult now to stay OUT of the news than try to get into it, but a story like that is :deadhorse: level, and that shouldn't happen BEFORE the thing even comes out.

The media blitz may not have been huge but there were lines around the block for Episode IV.

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34 minutes ago, Chaka said:

The media blitz may not have been huge but there were lines around the block for Episode IV.

That's the thing I didn't understand.  It seemed like there was a lot of hype about it, but I can't recall much talk about it. I remember wanting to see it, but not crazy about wanting to see it, and I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that would have prompted lines around the corner. 

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4 minutes ago, Charlie Steiner said:

That's the thing I didn't understand.  It seemed like there was a lot of hype about it, but I can't recall much talk about it. I remember wanting to see it, but not crazy about wanting to see it, and I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that would have prompted lines around the corner. 

Yeah I don't think there were lines around the corner opening night.

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3 minutes ago, Hot Diggity Dog said:

Yeah I don't think there were lines around the corner opening night.

Yeah Google the week by week box office for star wars.  it goes up from opening weekend

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20 minutes ago, Hot Diggity Dog said:

Yeah I don't think there were lines around the corner opening night.

I stand corrected, as it appears to have opened on a Wednesday night, but by 2 days later, Memorial Day weekend, between initial reviews and the fact that it started in a smaller number of theaters, lines started forming pretty quickly. 

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4 hours ago, Charlie Steiner said:

I saw it 7 times in the theater during its first run, and TBH, on that last viewing, I felt something die, because for the first time, the opening crawl said EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE.  I can still hear the murmur ripple across the audience in that theater.  I didn't mind that it implied that there was going to be a sequel, but wtf start with the 4th part of a story?

 

A lot of fans alive at that time remember it this way for some reason, but you're misremembering--this didn't happen during its first run--the title was changed to "EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE" on the opening crawl for the 1981 re-release, because coming up with the idea that Vader was actually Luke's father while going over the ESB script got Lucas interested in the idea of Anakin's backstory. It doesn't invalidate your feelings about it or anything, just thought it was interesting that so many people have this false memory. It was a long time ago, of course. 

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1 hour ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

A lot of fans alive at that time remember it this way for some reason, but you're misremembering--this didn't happen during its first run--the title was changed to "EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE" on the opening crawl for the 1981 re-release, because coming up with the idea that Vader was actually Luke's father while going over the ESB script got Lucas interested in the idea of Anakin's backstory. It doesn't invalidate your feelings about it or anything, just thought it was interesting that so many people have this false memory. It was a long time ago, of course. 

Seemed like it happened before Empire came out; regardless, I definitely felt a disturbance in the force.

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3 hours ago, Charlie Steiner said:

That's the thing I didn't understand.  It seemed like there was a lot of hype about it, but I can't recall much talk about it. I remember wanting to see it, but not crazy about wanting to see it, and I don't remember hearing or seeing anything that would have prompted lines around the corner. 

Star Wars was thought to be a gamble when it first opened and Fox wasn't expecting it to be a hit. They only booked showings for it at Mann's Chinese Theater for only two weeks. They brought it back to the theater a month later and it was so huge by then that they had Darth Vader, C3PO and R2D2 imprint their hands (feet? tracks?) in concrete at the front of the theater. Even Lucas was worried it would bomb, he thought Close Encounters was going to be the bigger movie and Spielberg thought Star Wars would be bigger, so they famously traded 2.5% of the rights, which of course made Spielberg boatloads.

Edit: I think one of the other famous stories, if I recall correctly, was that Lucas was so worried it was going to bomb that he booked a trip and went to Hawaii with his wife so he wouldn't be there when it opened if it did indeed bomb. The first time he knew it was a hit was on the evening news when Walter Kronkite reported about Star Wars mania sweeping the nation. There were people that were watching it, coming out of the theater and immediately getting back in line to watch it again.

2nd Edit: :nerd:

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1 hour ago, Buckna said:

 

Edit: I think one of the other famous stories, if I recall correctly, was that Lucas was so worried it was going to bomb that he booked a trip and went to Hawaii with his wife so he wouldn't be there when it opened if it did indeed bomb. The first time he knew it was a hit was on the evening news when Walter Kronkite reported about Star Wars mania sweeping the nation. There were people that were watching it, coming out of the theater and immediately getting back in line to watch it again.

2nd Edit: :nerd:

 

This is bull. His agent would've pinged him on BookFace on his cel phone to let him know advanced ticket sale and box office projections.

 

;)

 

(man, has the world changed since the '77 New Hope release)

 

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17 hours ago, Chaka said:

I appreciate it but that response feels like a Dodge.

My original post was a :fishy:

I love Star Wars. :D

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