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19 minutes ago, Chemical X said:

no reason not to go, but there is so much to think about....like getting a car, opening a bank account, etc.  in italy, everything was allowed to us once we got what they call a codice fiscale.  i would see what is required there to rent a car, open a bank account, etc.  maybe go before you relocate and try to pick off some small things.  the bank account helps.  make sure all your bills here are electronic.  do you have a company credit card?  this sounds stupid, but europe is different.  bedrooms pretty much don’t have closets.  kitchens, if installed, are small.  ovens are not standard.  they don’t really use dryers.  washing machines are in the kitchen sometimes.  you will rough it a bit, but that’s the fun.  step outside the comfort zone, but be prepared for it.  in italy when we house searched, they were dirty, smelly.  in italy, when people move they take the kitchen with them, cabinets, appliances, everything.

Ouch.

My wife and o actually went to Germany for our honeymoon  (We lived on FL St the time so going somewhere with a beach seemed silly).  The tour company we used put us up in traditional apartments instead of hotels so we got a feel for what life is like. As I recall, they typically have small fridges and kitchens but it's no big deal as there is a grocery store very close by.  One big issue for the wife is no AC - I think that's pretty typical.

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Just now, The Z Machine said:

You were on house hunters international? My wife and I binge watch that every 6 months or so. What was the title of the episode. PM me.

title was; Banned FBG that makes 7 figures searches for Villas with his model wife.

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1 minute ago, moleculo said:

Ouch.

My wife and o actually went to Germany for our honeymoon  (We lived on FL St the time so going somewhere with a beach seemed silly).  The tour company we used put us up in traditional apartments instead of hotels so we got a feel for what life is like. As I recall, they typically have small fridges and kitchens but it's no big deal as there is a grocery store very close by.  One big issue for the wife is no AC - I think that's pretty typical.

no AC is a deal breaker for me.  i have installed a unit in my bedroom.  it works ok, but not like the states.  some buildings may not have elevators.  just decide what you can’t live without.

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5 minutes ago, moleculo said:

Ouch.

My wife and o actually went to Germany for our honeymoon  (We lived on FL St the time so going somewhere with a beach seemed silly).  The tour company we used put us up in traditional apartments instead of hotels so we got a feel for what life is like. As I recall, they typically have small fridges and kitchens but it's no big deal as there is a grocery store very close by.  One big issue for the wife is no AC - I think that's pretty typical.

A/C units can be installed very easily.

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Also, in Madrid most apartments were rented fully kitted out with kitchen and white goods.  I didn't have to buy anything but a bed, sofa, etc.

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7 minutes ago, msommer said:

A/C units can be installed very easily.

if the landlord is onboard.  

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3 minutes ago, Chemical X said:

if the landlord is onboard.  

Live a little.

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4 hours ago, msommer said:

I doubt Italy is much like Germany in this respect.  But it is something to ask (it certainly surprised me when I went to Brazil - but I had a white goods allowance so problem solved)

No, it is.  You have to bring your own kitchen.  We use dryers though and it's down in the cellar with the washer not in the kitchen.

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4 hours ago, moleculo said:

Ouch.

My wife and o actually went to Germany for our honeymoon  (We lived on FL St the time so going somewhere with a beach seemed silly).  The tour company we used put us up in traditional apartments instead of hotels so we got a feel for what life is like. As I recall, they typically have small fridges and kitchens but it's no big deal as there is a grocery store very close by.  One big issue for the wife is no AC - I think that's pretty typical.

You won't need AC in Bavaria unless you're sleeping in the attic.  A simple fan will do.  One thing that takes getting used to regarding groceries is that the stores close at 8pm and are closed on Sundays

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3 minutes ago, Short Corner said:

No, it is.  You have to bring your own kitchen.  We use dryers though and it's down in the cellar with the washer not in the kitchen.

Dirty and smelly too like chemical said about Italy?

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Just now, msommer said:

Dirty and smelly too like chemical said about Italy?

Nothing I noticed.  Germany is pretty clean.  One thing I always notice going back to the states is the amount of garbage lying around and the number of obese people.  And the crappy infrastructure.  ####ty drivers...

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6 hours ago, Chemical X said:

you’d think, but nothing in europe surprises me.

Shelf toilets.

The kitchen was all there.  No dish washer, of course.

We didn't need AC.

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1 minute ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

Shelf toilets.

lol....ever go to a beach?  portajohn with a hole in the floor.  if a number 2, no idea.  about the only thing that has ever skeezed me out over there.  well, toilets without seats a bit.

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5 minutes ago, Chemical X said:

lol....ever go to a beach?  portajohn with a hole in the floor.  if a number 2, no idea.  about the only thing that has ever skeezed me out over there.  well, toilets without seats a bit.

We lived in a small Italian village.  The local cinema had what we called "crocodile pits"- a hole in the floor with two places to put your feet on either side.  It was educational.

It was a resort town on the Riviera.  The beach had open sewage running across it.  (I don't think Turin has any sewage treatment at all.)

Germany was nice and clean.  Switzerland is immaculate.

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1 hour ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

We lived in a small Italian village.  The local cinema had what we called "crocodile pits"- a hole in the floor with two places to put your feet on either side.  It was educational.

It was a resort town on the Riviera.  The beach had open sewage running across it.  (I don't think Turin has any sewage treatment at all.)

Germany was nice and clean.  Switzerland is immaculate.

yup, crocodile pit.  seriously, wtf?

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Stand toilets are pretty common in Asia, but I think they're decreasing as a % as people realize what a luxury sitting down to take a dump is.

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On 7/7/2018 at 3:23 PM, moleculo said:

That's what we are thinking.  Could be a great experience for the kids.

...and for you and you’re wife. :thumbup:   And August is holiday time to visit the other countries.

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3 hours ago, Phil Elliott said:

...and for you and you’re wife. :thumbup:   And August is holiday time to visit the other countries.

August is too hot and crowded.  The nice thing about living there is going in the off season on a day trip or weekend.

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On ‎7‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 4:54 PM, moleculo said:

...kid ages 21...Oldest kid - he's kind of a "failure to launch" scenario.  Not sure what he does if he's not sleeping in my basement.

What happen?  Is he currently in school, dropped out, never went, vocation?  Does he have a job?  Also as said earlier, he's likely going to have to apply to get his own visa.  This might be a good motivator for him to go "figure it out".

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1 hour ago, Tom in Albany said:

What happen?  Is he currently in school, dropped out, never went, vocation?  Does he have a job?  Also as said earlier, he's likely going to have to apply to get his own visa.  This might be a good motivator for him to go "figure it out".

"Son - we're moving to Germany. And when I say we, it's the rest of us. You, you stay here. find a new place to live, a job, something. Good luck, son!"

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23 minutes ago, msommer said:

"Son - we're moving to Germany. And when I say we, it's the rest of us. You, you stay here. find a new place to live, a job, something. Good luck, son!"

Alright, everyone step forward that's going with me to Germany.

Whoa, not so fast there #1 son.

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15 hours ago, Mrs. Rannous said:

We lived in a small Italian village.  The local cinema had what we called "crocodile pits"- a hole in the floor with two places to put your feet on either side.  It was educational.

 

What if you miss the hole? 

 

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24 minutes ago, E Street Brat said:

I'll keep your boat, for ya. 

That's really, nice of you.

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3 hours ago, Tom in Albany said:

What happen?  Is he currently in school, dropped out, never went, vocation?  Does he have a job?  Also as said earlier, he's likely going to have to apply to get his own visa.  This might be a good motivator for him to go "figure it out".

he was in college his freshman year.  right before finals, he broke up with his GF and had a nasty flu, and got in a big fight with his dad, and ended up dropping out.  Since then, he's been living in my basement, trying to figure out what has to happen next.  I'm cool with him loving here as long as he is pursuing college and he has been taking classes at the local CC, but not sure where that will lead.

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1 hour ago, E Street Brat said:

I'll keep your boat, for ya. 

boat is long gone.

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2 hours ago, msommer said:

"Son - we're moving to Germany. And when I say we, it's the rest of us. You, you stay here. find a new place to live, a job, something. Good luck, son!"

pretty much.

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remember, get it in writing from your company and get a great HR contact.

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2 hours ago, moleculo said:

he was in college his freshman year.  right before finals, he broke up with his GF and had a nasty flu, and got in a big fight with his dad, and ended up dropping out.  Since then, he's been living in my basement, trying to figure out what has to happen next.  I'm cool with him loving here as long as he is pursuing college and he has been taking classes at the local CC, but not sure where that will lead.

You're his step dad right?  That makes this okay. 

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44 minutes ago, Tom in Albany said:

You're his step dad right?  That makes this okay. 

dammit autocorrect. should be "living here". but yes.

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Do it, if only for the beer.

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One point - vacation. Don't take any bull#### - you want to have the same amount as the Germans

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1 hour ago, msommer said:

One point - vacation. Don't take any bull#### - you want to have the same amount as the Germans

:blackdot:

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Never been an ex-pat, but I've been to Stuttgart & Munich.  Bavaria is the shiznit.  On the short list of places outside of the US I would want to live, and my wife said the same.

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1 hour ago, msommer said:

One point - vacation. Don't take any bull#### - you want to have the same amount as the Germans

31 days/year.  On top of the 13 public holidays. :coffee:

 

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had our first call with my wife’s local HR rep.  she will be our u.s. contact for this process.  we told her our timing is 18-24 mumfs.  definitely after march 2020 so i can get my bonus before i give notice.  likely may-june 2020.  she will talk with some colleagues and wife’s mgr. to determine who covers what costs and all that fun financial stuff.

edit to say our timing is such, since we do not plan on returning.

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11 hours ago, Chemical X said:

had our first call with my wife’s local HR rep.  she will be our u.s. contact for this process.  we told her our timing is 18-24 mumfs.  definitely after march 2020 so i can get my bonus before i give notice.  likely may-june 2020.  she will talk with some colleagues and wife’s mgr. to determine who covers what costs and all that fun financial stuff.

edit to say our timing is such, since we do not plan on returning.

Ever?

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3 hours ago, Johnny Rock said:

Ever?

Ever, this is a permanent move, hence the time needed to shut affairs on our side.  Watch when I take the Queen Mary 2 across to Southampton UK, in order to get my dog over there alive and not dead in a plane's cargo hold.

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2 hours ago, Chemical X said:

Ever, this is a permanent move, hence the time needed to shut affairs on our side.  Watch when I take the Queen Mary 2 across to Southampton UK, in order to get my dog over there alive and not dead in a plane's cargo hold.

I had started a thread on this, but maybe i'll keep my updates here.  our thoughts are we are gonna ship 1 car, roll on roll off from Baltimore or NYC to Southampton.  The QM2 goes to Southampton.  We will coordinate our time to get there by boat and get our car.  Then we will drive 1/2 hoor to Portsmouth, which has a ferry to Le Havre, France and goes overnight, from 11.30p-8.30a.  The ferry has small cabins for 2 people and 1 dog, about 13 of these cabins per ship.  We will get to Le Havre then drive to Dijon and overnight.  Then drive to Turin and overnight.  Then drive to our house.

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20 minutes ago, Chemical X said:

I had started a thread on this, but maybe i'll keep my updates here.  our thoughts are we are gonna ship 1 car, roll on roll off from Baltimore or NYC to Southampton.  The QM2 goes to Southampton.  We will coordinate our time to get there by boat and get our car.  Then we will drive 1/2 hoor to Portsmouth, which has a ferry to Le Havre, France and goes overnight, from 11.30p-8.30a.  The ferry has small cabins for 2 people and 1 dog, about 13 of these cabins per ship.  We will get to Le Havre then drive to Dijon and overnight.  Then drive to Turin and overnight.  Then drive to our house.

Definitely keep your thread updated. 

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2 hours ago, Chemical X said:

I had started a thread on this, but maybe i'll keep my updates here.  our thoughts are we are gonna ship 1 car, roll on roll off from Baltimore or NYC to Southampton.  The QM2 goes to Southampton.  We will coordinate our time to get there by boat and get our car.  Then we will drive 1/2 hoor to Portsmouth, which has a ferry to Le Havre, France and goes overnight, from 11.30p-8.30a.  The ferry has small cabins for 2 people and 1 dog, about 13 of these cabins per ship.  We will get to Le Havre then drive to Dijon and overnight.  Then drive to Turin and overnight.  Then drive to our house.

You should verify in detail about your car. I know it likely would no be possible to bring it in Denmark. Italy might have similar rules.

ETA: you should go to Beaune instead of Dijon, it's a bit further but not that much - and much nicer! Smack in th emiddle of the burgundy district

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6 minutes ago, msommer said:

You should verify in detail about your car. I know it likely would no be possible to bring it in Denmark. Italy might have similar rules.

ETA: you should go to Beaune instead of Dijon, it's a bit further but not that much - and much nicer! Smack in th emiddle of the burgundy district

are we talking emissions guidelines?  i think i meet EU requirements.

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Just now, Chemical X said:

are we talking emissions guidelines?  i think i meet EU requirements.

IIRC it's whether the specific engine model has been tested in EU and whether that specific chassis has been crash tested - in that combo with the engine. At least that's how it is in Denmark.

The rules are stupid. But they are there.

Not sure how long you'd be allowed to drive on American plates (if at all), even intra EU it's kind of ####ed how short they let you do that.

I'd probably look into renting a car instead and then buying one in Italy. Although those would likely be a lot smaller than what you are used to.

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Also - in 2020 the UK would be outside of the EU which could give you even worse complications that would be difficult to plan for since no on e is sure what Brexit means yet

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