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What do you want from government?  Be as specific as possible, especially about things that aren't current hot topics, or things that have to do with keeping your team in office.  

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Wow....look at all of the responses from conservatives this forum!

We can sum it all up in a single post.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." 

Period.

* mic drop *

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3 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Idk...without hot button issues, which are pretty much all the major ones, I guess I would say I'd like some more attention paid to our infrastructure, I think everyone can agree on that.

 

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Just now, Osaurus said:

French benefits 

every order comes with bottomless french benefits.

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I want a government that works so well while adhering to the ideas of REAL Conservatism that it forces everyone to admit that Conservatism truly works.  

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3 minutes ago, Opie said:

Wow....look at all of the responses from conservatives this forum!

We can sum it all up in a single post.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." 

Period.

* mic drop *

This seems like a very good start to defining the American conservative movement.  

What are some specific policies that should be changed?  What would be a good example of promoting the general welfare that you would support? 

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5 minutes ago, Opie said:

Wow....look at all of the responses from conservatives this forum!

We can sum it all up in a single post.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." 

Period.

* mic drop *

Fair enough.Do you think the current administration is promoting the general welfare?

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My biggest issue is I don't want babies being murdered anymore. Hopefully Trump can elect a few more judges and this will change.

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4 minutes ago, badmojo1006 said:

Fair enough.Do you think the current administration is promoting the general welfare?

Please don't turn this into a discussion of whether the current administration is doing a good job or not.  This is intended to be a thread for conservatives to discuss the policies they'd like to see implemented. 

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Just now, Teyana said:

My biggest issue is I don't want babies being murdered anymore. Hopefully Trump can elect a few more judges and this will change.

What is your definition of babies?

And abortions are going to happen whether or not Roe v Wade is overturned. They will just become less safe.

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Just now, bostonfred said:

Please don't turn this into a discussion of whether the current administration is doing a good job or not.  This is intended to be a thread for conservatives to discuss the policies they'd like to see implemented. 

Fair enough. But I am trying respectfully to understand their opinions 

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2 minutes ago, Teyana said:

My biggest issue is I don't want babies being murdered anymore. Hopefully Trump can elect a few more judges and this will change.

Forget Trump and the current administration and the judges.  

What would comprehensive abortion reform look like to you? All abortions would be illegal?  Stop funding abortions?  Would you stop abortions where the mother's life was at risk or that were conceived from rape?  What about the morning after pill or birth control?  How far back would you personally go? 

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I want a functioning adult at every position of government.  Once we accomplish that we can get to things like government support of individuals in the global market, healthcare for those who need etc.  The first step is always the toughest so I'm not very optimistic :mellow: 

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1)  I support lower taxes and smaller government.  Money is best spent by the people who earn it, not the government.

2) Support legal immigration only.  Oppose amnesty for those who enter the country illegally.  Secure the borders.

3) Healthcare- support competitive, free market health care system.  Health care should remain privatized.  Socialized medicine results in higher costs and everyone receives the same poor quality health care

4) support free market capitalism, creates more economic growth and jobs and not burdened by excessive government regulation.  Recent socialist movement by the left scares me to death as it would ruin our country.

5) climate change - change in global temperature is natural over long periods of time

6) Welfare - I support helping those that truly need it but helping them become self-reliant, rather than allowing them to remain dependent on the government.

7)  Homeland Security - Support necessary defense spending to destroy our biggest threat - ISIS.

8)  Hate discrimination programs like affirmative action, people should be admitted to schools and hired based on their ability.  Loved Trump ending Obama's stupid policy limiting Asians for scholarships.

9) Ban abortions - life begins at conception

10) Social Security - privatize immediately, I don't trust the governement and can do it better myself.

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3 minutes ago, badmojo1006 said:

Fair enough. But I am trying respectfully to understand their opinions 

Believe me, I understand where you're coming from. But the righties on this board are jumpy about being a minority, the best thing is to let them have their say in this thread, with the usual skillful moderation from fred. He'll ask them for better definitions without being confrontational about it.

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Strong military, but limited interference with other countries.  No more nation building unless it's requested & somehow we benefit(this could encompass many things).  Limit our soldiers exposure to injury & death.  This especially means the Middle East.   It's a cesspool of blood & carnage & will be for another 1000 years.  Balance the budget-heck, just pass a budget.

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6 minutes ago, irishidiot said:

Strong military, but limited interference with other countries.  No more nation building unless it's requested & somehow we benefit(this could encompass many things).  Limit our soldiers exposure to injury & death.  This especially means the Middle East.   It's a cesspool of blood & carnage & will be for another 1000 years.  Balance the budget-heck, just pass a budget.

is cheap oil a benefit?

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34 minutes ago, Opie said:

Wow....look at all of the responses from conservatives this forum!

We can sum it all up in a single post.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." 

Period.

* mic drop *

So given this description should the leader of this great land be concerned about athletes that kneel during the National Anthem?

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13 minutes ago, irishidiot said:

Strong military, but limited interference with other countries.  No more nation building unless it's requested & somehow we benefit(this could encompass many things).  Limit our soldiers exposure to injury & death.  This especially means the Middle East.   It's a cesspool of blood & carnage & will be for another 1000 years.  Balance the budget-heck, just pass a budget.

Yes.  Stay out of all this world police crap.  

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2 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said:

is cheap oil a benefit?

This is a thread for like minded people to discuss what they want.  It isn't a thread for people who disagree with the policies to debate them.  We already have plenty of that in this forum.  

Appreciate if both sides can give each other the respect to get this stuff out without any arguing. 

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3 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

So given this description should the leader of this great land be concerned about athletes that kneel during the National Anthem?

Please don't do this here. 

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2 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

A hand up and not a hand out.  

How, specifically? What kind of policies would provide a hand up? 

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5 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

This is a thread for like minded people to discuss what they want.  It isn't a thread for people who disagree with the policies to debate them.  We already have plenty of that in this forum.  

Appreciate if both sides can give each other the respect to get this stuff out without any arguing. 

sorry. I am curious about the answer though (and discussion of benefits in general).

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Why do we have liberals  in here telling us what we should want instead of taking advantage of the thread fred thoughtfully provided for them to have their own say?

 

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2 minutes ago, JerseyToughGuys said:

sorry. I am curious about the answer though (and discussion of benefits in general).

Sorry if I misunderstood.  That seems valid. 

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3 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

Please don't do this here. 

Okay.  I was just trying to figure out if Opie really meant that he wanted a limited federal government like he said before his mic drop because if so the president (any pres, not just Trump) should limit his attention to only those issues while in office.

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Just now, bostonfred said:

Sorry if I misunderstood.  That seems valid. 

still not the correct place for the discussion though. doing good work here, sir.

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Just now, timschochet said:

So far very little of what I’ve read in this thread has anything to do with conservativism. 

Tim a lot of what you think of conservatism is based on globalist lies/corporations wanting cheap labor.

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

So far very little of what I’ve read in this thread has anything to do with conservativism. 

Not the place. Look what you may have started. Read only, please.

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5 minutes ago, Teyana said:

Tim a lot of what you think of conservatism is based on globalist lies/corporations wanting cheap labor.

This is great. Tell us what you think conservatism actually is or should be. 

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23 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Why do we have liberals  in here telling us what we should want instead of taking advantage of the thread fred thoughtfully provided for them to have their own say?

 

Why did we have conservatives in there doing g the same and trolling the thread right out of the gate?

For my Conservative side...fiscally.  A return to actual fiscal conservative policy and not what it’s tirned into would be nice. Spending cuts not just to all things liberal while increasing spending on everything else is not fiscally conservative.  Adding trillions to the deficit while giving tax cuts that mostly benefit the rich and corporate donors rather than middle class is not a conservative value.

An actual budget would be great and a truest balanced budget would be even better.

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28 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

How, specifically? What kind of policies would provide a hand up? 

Protect SS. It should not be used for purposes other than original intent.  We should look out for the genuinely handicapped and our vets.  The healthy but unmotivated need to get jobs after a certain period of time.  Treat the drug abusers and get them back in workforce, but after a certain period of time they are on their own

We have jobs   I read something this week that there are 50000 openings in the trucking business   Get temporary grants or something to get people in these jobs   Heck, make it a path to citizenship   

 

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1 hour ago, Opie said:

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." 

And Donald Trump has never read or heard this phrase in his life.

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Why did we have conservatives in there doing g the same and trolling the thread right out of the gate?

For my Conservative side...fiscally.  A return to actual fiscal conservative policy and not what it’s tirned into would be nice. Spending cuts not just to all things liberal while increasing spending on everything else is not fiscally conservative.  Adding trillions to the deficit while giving tax cuts that mostly benefit the rich and corporate donors rather than middle class is not a conservative value.

An actual budget would be great and a truest balanced budget would be even better.

So you came to troll on the trolls?

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26 minutes ago, timschochet said:

So far very little of what I’ve read in this thread has anything to do with conservativism. 

because you (and the left) are looking for answers that begin with..."the Government should....."

The real answers begin with ......"the Government should not...."

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Just now, knowledge dropper said:

So you came to troll on the trolls?

My post wasn’t a troll and specifically addressed the topic from my fiscal conservative side. Honor the OP and discuss the topic and don’t do this here.

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The Preamble of the US Constitution tells us the perceived role of government.  It sets the guidelines and WE follow it.

The left wants step-by-step instructions on what is "good" and what is "bad" and they rely on the Government to tell them which is which and to make it so.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." ...that's it.  Defined...carry on.

The US Constitution is not a "living, breathing document."  It is complete.  We do not change a paragraph, a word, or a punctuation mark when interpreting those words to make it fit OUR preferences.  We leave it to the SCOTUS to interpret the words and  If we want to change it, we take the proper steps listed IN the document itself.

Don't look to the Courts to make laws...leave that to the Congress...."the Peoples' House".   Elect people who believe like you do.  Don not expect the SCOTUS to "make things right".  They will determine if a law goes against the US Constitution or follows it...not the Congress (the People).

 

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2 minutes ago, Opie said:

The Preamble of the US Constitution tells us the perceived role of government.  It sets the guidelines and WE follow it.

The left wants step-by-step instructions on what is "good" and what is "bad" and they rely on the Government to tell them which is which and to make it so.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." ...that's it.  Defined...carry on.

The US Constitution is not a "living, breathing document."  It is complete.  We do not change a paragraph, a word, or a punctuation mark when interpreting those words to make it fit OUR preferences.  We leave it to the SCOTUS to interpret the words and  If we want to change it, we take the proper steps listed IN the document itself.

Don't look to the Courts to make laws...leave that to the Congress...."the Peoples' House".   Elect people who believe like you do.  Don not expect the SCOTUS to "make things right".  They will determine if a law goes against the US Constitution or follows it...not the Congress (the People).

 

For the bolded, do you think once the SCOTUS rules on an issue it can go back years later and hear it again or should the original ruling be the final say?

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5 minutes ago, Opie said:

The Preamble of the US Constitution tells us the perceived role of government.  It sets the guidelines and WE follow it.

The left wants step-by-step instructions on what is "good" and what is "bad" and they rely on the Government to tell them which is which and to make it so.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." ...that's it.  Defined...carry on.

The US Constitution is not a "living, breathing document."  It is complete.  We do not change a paragraph, a word, or a punctuation mark when interpreting those words to make it fit OUR preferences.  We leave it to the SCOTUS to interpret the words and  If we want to change it, we take the proper steps listed IN the document itself.

Don't look to the Courts to make laws...leave that to the Congress...."the Peoples' House".   Elect people who believe like you do.  Don not expect the SCOTUS to "make things right".  They will determine if a law goes against the US Constitution or follows it...not the Congress (the People).

 

As discussed in the other thread, the preamble of the constitution, by itself, isn't a good guide of what a government can do. Unless you want a government to be able to do anything it wants. Because those 5 requirements are all encompassing. 

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1 hour ago, JerseyToughGuys said:

is cheap oil a benefit?

yes, but I don't think at the expense of American lives.

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From what I can see in these two topics is that liberals want guaranteed outcomes while conservatives want only guaranteed opportunity.

The Declaration of Independence talks about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".  There is nothing guaranteeing that happiness will be found.

The harder you try....the better your chances are

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1 hour ago, bostonfred said:

This is great. Tell us what you think conservatism actually is or should be. 

Protecting our communities, our babies from abortion, our children from sex change and our workers from unfair drop in wages due to massive legal/illegal immigration 

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1 minute ago, Teyana said:

Protecting our communities, our babies from abortion, our children from sex change and our workers from unfair drop in wages due to massive legal/illegal immigration 

What does protecting your children from sex change mean?

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1 hour ago, Amused to Death said:

 

1 hour ago, Opie said:

The Preamble of the US Constitution tells us the perceived role of government.  It sets the guidelines and WE follow it.

The left wants step-by-step instructions on what is "good" and what is "bad" and they rely on the Government to tell them which is which and to make it so.

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to.... "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity." ...that's it.  Defined...carry on.

The US Constitution is not a "living, breathing document."  It is complete.  We do not change a paragraph, a word, or a punctuation mark when interpreting those words to make it fit OUR preferences.  We leave it to the SCOTUS to interpret the words and  If we want to change it, we take the proper steps listed IN the document itself.

Don't look to the Courts to make laws...leave that to the Congress...."the Peoples' House".   Elect people who believe like you do.  Don not expect the SCOTUS to "make things right".  They will determine if a law goes against the US Constitution or follows it...not the Congress (the People).

 

For the bolded, do you think once the SCOTUS rules on an issue it can go back years later and hear it again or should the original ruling be the final say?

 

@Opie, when you have a minute....

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13 minutes ago, Opie said:

From what I can see in these two topics is that liberals want guaranteed outcomes while conservatives want only guaranteed opportunity.

The Declaration of Independence talks about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".  There is nothing guaranteeing that happiness will be found.

The harder you try....the better your chances are

Specifically, what are you looking for?  What are your issues or policies that roll up to these overarching ideas?

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16 minutes ago, Opie said:

From what I can see in these two topics is that liberals want guaranteed outcomes while conservatives want only guaranteed opportunity.

The Declaration of Independence talks about "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".  There is nothing guaranteeing that happiness will be found.

The harder you try....the better your chances are

Why do you do this? This is what the conservatives want thread. Just say what you think conservatives want and leave other noise off.

Makes for a much better dialogue 

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24 minutes ago, Teyana said:

Protecting our communities, our babies from abortion, our children from sex change and our workers from unfair drop in wages due to massive legal/illegal immigration 

Is this a typo?

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