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Liberals, what do you actually want?

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What do you want from government?  Be as specific as possible, especially about things that aren't current hot topics, or things that have to do with getting and keeping your team in office.  

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Someone....Anyone....NOT with the last name of Trump......easy enough?

Oh...and that someone MUST have a "D" next to his name.

Just how hard is this to understand?

Now...gimme, gimme, gimme or it will be ARMAGEDDON...the END of TIMES!

Literally....we ALL WILL DIE if this does not happen.

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

Anyone....NOT with the last name of Trump......easy enough?

Oh...and that someone MUST have a "D" next to his name.

Just how hard is this to understand?

This isn’t a trolling response at all.

Seems you don’t understand what liberals in this board have been discussing for a while.

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3 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

This isn’t a trolling response at all.

Seems you don’t understand what liberals in this board have been discussing for a while.

...it's not an incorrect response either....is it?

Sure, I know what's being discussed.....

Someone....Anyone....NOT with the last name of Trump......easy enough?

Oh...and that someone MUST have a "D" next to his name.

Just how hard is this to understand?

Now...gimme, gimme, gimme or it will be ARMAGEDDON...the END of TIMES!

Literally....we ALL WILL DIE if this does not happen.

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I would like to see legislation that rewards American innovation, but not at the expense of other counties.  A rising tide lifts all boats. 

I would like to see investment in  primary education and after school programs. 

I would like to increase the estate tax. I don't think we should reward second generation wealth as much as we do. 

I would like to formalize a BIG because I expect a lot of jobs to evaporate soon. 

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1. A congress that puts the people's health and welfare first. Single payer would be a very smart start.

3. A government that looks out for the environment instead of raping it.

4. A Justice Dept. who makes it an important mission to look out for the most vulnerable of our citizens instead of "cracking down."

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Please stay on topic guys.  This thread is about policy, it isn't about the current regime or the party in power. 

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2 minutes ago, Opie said:

...it's not an incorrect response either....is it?

Sure, I know what's being discussed.....

Someone....Anyone....NOT with the last name of Trump......easy enough?

Oh...and that someone MUST have a "D" next to his name.

Just how hard is this to understand?

Now...gimme, gimme, gimme or it will be ARMAGEDDON...the END of TIMES!

Literally....we ALL WILL DIE if this does not happen.

Yes...it was incorrect. This again is nothing but trolling.  Be better 

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In a Pollyanna world, I'd like every person in the country to be able to live with dignity.

Some things to this end - I'd like everyone to have a roof over their head, food on the table, access to medical care when they need it, and access to an education. 

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I would the government to:

That cares about wealth inequality 

Cares about affordable health care.

Cares about clean air and water

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1 minute ago, roadkill1292 said:

1. A congress that puts the people's health and welfare first. Single payer would be a very smart start.

3. A government that looks out for the environment instead of raping it.

4. A Justice Dept. who makes it an important mission to look out for the most vulnerable of our citizens instead of "cracking down."

Tax policy that takes the future of the country into consideration and notnjust lining the pockets of the rich and corporate donors.

Foreign policy that doesn’t abandon our allies for Putin’s best interest.

Immigration laws that are not just meant to punish people with darker skin.

 

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2 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

I would like to see legislation that rewards American innovation, but not at the expense of other counties.  A rising tide lifts all boats. 

I would like to see investment in  primary education and after school programs. 

I would like to increase the estate tax. I don't think we should reward second generation wealth as much as we do. 

I would like to formalize a BIG because I expect a lot of jobs to evaporate soon. 

The exact opposite of the bolded just happened with the "tax cut". 

Good thread, and will post positions/policies next.

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The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Period.

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Period.

Is it currently promoting the general welfare, or just promoting the interests of the very wealthiest?  are the families, including US citizens, that have been separated being given access to Justice?   do we have equal treatment under the law for women and minorities, or is their justice, their welfare and their blessings of liberty something less?

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1 minute ago, Opie said:

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Period.

There's an identical thread for conservatives.  I'd be interested in hearing more about policy changes you'd like to see that are consistent with this post, but I'd like to keep it in that thread.

The purpose of separating them is to give people a chance to post what they would like to see from their party instead of disagreeing with what the other party wants.  I hope that liberals treat the other thread with the same respect that I'm asking from you. 

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Idk...without hot button issues, which are pretty much all the major ones, I guess I would say I'd like some more attention paid to our infrastructure, I think everyone can agree on that.

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3 minutes ago, proninja said:

In a Pollyanna world, I'd like every person in the country to be able to live with dignity.

Some things to this end - I'd like everyone to have a roof over their head, food on the table, access to medical care when they need it, and access to an education. 

This, but I will add environmental protection with access to clean drinking water.

I would also like to see us scale our military way back and foster strong relationships with our global allies.  National defense is important, but I think it should be limited to just that.

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8 minutes ago, JIslander said:

Right now? Get the Russian mafia out.  Then we'll talk.

Please don't focus on the current administration.  That is not a direction for our country's leadership.  

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 A continuation of Government involvement in business and American Society that helped usher in perhaps the greatest period of prosperity for the most people in the history of mankind.

 

Anyone who says that Big Government hasn't helped them get where they are today is a fool.  

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1 minute ago, ShamrockPride said:

Idk...without hot button issues, which are pretty much all the major ones, I guess I would say I'd like some more attention paid to our infrastructure, I think everyone can agree on that.

I agree with that, and appreciate the positive contribution, but again, I think that belongs in the conservative thread. 

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Single payer healthcare, or at least Medicare for Most. Younger, healthier people paying into the pool. Simple loss ratio stuff here.

Protect Social Security. Make needed adjustments now and over time instead of kicking the can down the road.

K - 16 Education. No need to end education at 12th grade. This can include vocations.

Sensible, progressive tax policy. I second the estate tax review as mentioned above. The "tax cuts" gave an unnecessary windfall to people inheriting over $5 million.

Protect those that need to be protected. "We were supposed to fight for people that couldn't fight for themselves".

Revisit defense spending with a fresh eye on 21st Century needs.

Get back together with our traditional allies, who happen to be the nations that support freedom and democracy.

 

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30 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Yes...it was incorrect. This again is nothing but trolling.  Be better 

Of course it is trolling. Thread title specifically ask liberals "what do you actually want?" not asking for some snarky response from someone on the right as to what they think liberals want.

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1 minute ago, bostonfred said:

I agree with that, and appreciate the positive contribution, but again, I think that belongs in the conservative thread. 

Maybe I'm out of sync here, is it the general consensus now that infrastructure is a conservative preferred issue? I mean maybe I'm wrong...

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a habitable planet 50 years from now

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17 minutes ago, roadkill1292 said:

 

1. A congress that puts the people's health and welfare first. 

 

The system is definitely broken. Their main objective is fundraising 

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3 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said:

Maybe I'm out of sync here, is it the general consensus now that infrastructure is a conservative preferred issue? I mean maybe I'm wrong...

Was wondering about that myself 

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12 minutes ago, Opie said:

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Period.

You definitely don't know what at least one of these two words means.

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10 minutes ago, Opie said:

The purpose of our Federal Government, as found in the Preamble of the Constitution, is to "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

Period.

Aside from posting in the wrong thread, this post is a giant nothingburger.  Everyone wants all of these things, but we have differences of opinion on how they are interpreted and what needs to be done to achieve these goals.  Have we fully achieved all of these things?  Partially?  What specific policies would you like to see that will push these ideas forward? 

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1.   Investment in renewable energy.   Commitment to end use of coal.   Significant goals regarding lowering dependence on fossil fuels and foreign oil.

2.   Sound environmental policies including a recognition of climate change and either reengaging in the Paris accord or unilateral commitment to something stronger.

3.  Term limits for house and senate.

4.   Campaign finance reform.

5.   Fair, progressive tax schedule.

6.   Health care, including single-payer.

7.   Renegotiate cost of drugs paid for through medicare.

8.   Establish national gun registry and allow searchable databases of weapons.

9.   Limit or prevent borrowing against Social Security

 

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  • Legalize drugs (at least marijuana)
  • Significant criminal justice reform. There are a lot of moving parts to this (including removing minimum sentencing, ending overcharging, legalizing drugs, etc.) 
  • End to religious-justified laws that discriminate (all the laws that chip away at abortion, laws against gays, etc.)
  • Immigration reform from current status under Trump - asylum seekers get due process and judges are more open to arguments, stop arresting people for crossing the border "illegally", stop separating families, accept WAY more immigrants every year, accept WAY more refugees every year)
  • Gun control laws (I admit I'm not sure yet what these should exactly be because I don't know enough about guns or gun buying process)
  • Legalize casinos, poker, and sports gambling
  • End blue laws - especially with regard to alcohol sales (goes with #3 above - alcohol should be able to be purchased 24/7/365)
  • Accept scientific consensus that global warming is happening and craft laws to help stop it. Empower the EPA instead of gutting them.
  • For medical - I think I'm convinced of ... I forgot his name - the guy who works in the medical insurance field (ETA - @matttyl). Basically medicaid for all with a cost based on percentage of income.
  • And, obviously, stop fighting with our friends and being a puppet of our enemies.

I'm sure there are more, but that's good for now.

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5. A government that also provides strict protection for corporate abuses against the average schmuck. Regulation is not a dirty word.

6. Election reform that more appropriately represents voter interests, including financing and voting methods (approval voting, instant run-off, etc).

7. Higher taxes and better services

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  • Fix our healthcare system. Its broken and getting worse.
  • Invest in education.  Science-based only.
  • Recognize the US is multi-cultural.  Its inscribed on the very symbol of our freedom.
  • Reinforce we are NOT a theocracy.  Religion is great for you, not everyone else.  Keep it out of our government just like our Constitution intended.
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2 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

You definitely don't know what at least one of these two words means.

pre·am·ble

ˈprēˌambəl/

noun

the introductory part of a statute or deed, stating its purpose, aims, and justification.

 

pe·ri·od

NORTH AMERICAN

a punctuation mark (.) used at the end of a sentence or an abbreviation.

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Just now, Opie said:

pre·am·ble

ˈprēˌambəl/

noun

the introductory part of a statute or deed, stating its purpose, aims, and justification.

 

pe·ri·od

NORTH AMERICAN

a punctuation mark (.) used at the end of a sentence or an abbreviation.

Right. So you're missing everything in between.  Like the entire operative portion of the Constitution.   

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Anyway, I'm a Rawls guy.  What would I want from behind the veil of ignorance?  I want assurance of a strong safety net and equality of opportunity, which includes steps to address and rectify existing inequalities.  I want all of us to have an equal say in the democratic process.  I want every barrier to participation in that process that can be removed to be removed. I want long-term vision that protects the environment for my children and future generations.

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The OP did not ask to recite the US Constitution...it asked about my perceived role of the Government....which was covered in the Preamble...not the Body.

If the Govt covers only what is in the Preamble....the People will cover the rest.

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Oh, a US-specific one: I think this country's founding principle and greatest virtue is its role as a safe haven for the persecuted and melting pot for all cultures and I want policies that protect and encourage that.

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1 minute ago, Amused to Death said:
  • Reinforce we are NOT a theocracy.  Religion is great for you, not everyone else.  Keep it out of our government just like our Constitution intended.

The religion thing is bizarre. I completely agree. But at the same time on paper, yeah we're religion free, but we've always been a Christian minded/led nation since day 1.

Utopia vs reality kind of thing I guess. I'm not sure how that kind of thing is fixed.

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