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I've seen a lot of people defending Trump and his policies.  I understand that he's undone a lot of what Obama did and that he's enacted some Republican measures, plus the supreme court.  So I get that there's a certain satisfaction with his job so far because he's doing things you wanted him to do. 

My questions for people who currently support him

1) do you feel like his accomplishments and future potential outweigh the alleged corruption, or do you feel like there really is no corruption? 

2) do you feel like he's permanently damaged the country's relationships with allies like NATO? Or improved them? 

3) is there anything he could do that would be too much?  as examples

- if we withdrew from NATO?

- if he created tariffs that enriched himself and his family?

- if stone cold evidence came out of him colluding with Russia on the election?

-if Putin admitted it? 

4) There have been some other cases where Trump allegedly did things that republicans were livid with the Clintons for doing - like hosting his emails on a private server, or "pay to play" politics. Do you believe Trump has done similar things?  If so, does it bother you? 

Please note that this thread is intended for Trump supporters only. I appreciate that there are a lot of people here who don't like Trump, but I'd ask that you hold your comments for other threads. 

 
Please note that this thread is intended for Trump supporters only. I appreciate that there are a lot of people here who don't like Trump, but I'd ask that you hold your comments for other threads. 
Normally it would be too early to post this but....

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1) He' been good in some areas.   Supreme Court, deregulation, economy

im against governmental corruption.   I guess i have to weigh his potential corruption to Hillary's certainty.

2) no.   Trump is just doing trump.   Im sure the Nato countries will be happy to see him gone. In 6 plus years.

3) sure there is.   I hate the tarriff crap (except against china.   They have been stealing our tech for years.)  The canada /ally tarriff crap drives nuts.

But to much?   Ill know it when i see it.  I weigh everything by the hillary alternative.

The rest of your examples i dont agree with the premise.

4)  i think the clintons are an order of magnitude worse than the trumps.   They know the back channel enrichment game far better than the trumps.   I dont think trump is doing things specifically for his companies.

 
1) He' been good in some areas.   Supreme Court, deregulation, economy

im against governmental corruption.   I guess i have to weigh his potential corruption to Hillary's certainty.
Two questions:

1.  Which specific deregulation has been good?  Good for corporations or good for the people of America?

2.  Potential corruption?  Hillary's certainty is based on the hypothetical that she is President?

 
I weigh everything by the hillary alternative.
This is a pretty solid way to ignore anything negative, because you can just create a hypothetical that's worse than present reality. "Yeah, Trump may have used illicit funds to pay off porn stars he nailed while his wife was pregnant, but Hillary would have had her killed!"

I'm going to try this at work. "Yeah, I missed the meeting and my report's late, but at least you didn't hire Jack, who's probably an arsonist."

 
1) do you feel like his accomplishments and future potential outweigh the alleged corruption, or do you feel like there really is no corruption? 

there was hacking - Chinese do it, others do it, the United States does it .... Russia didn't alter the US election

2) do you feel like he's permanently damaged the country's relationships with allies like NATO? Or improved them? 

NATO will continue just fine, in fact the countries speaking out against our elected President does more damage IMO

3) is there anything he could do that would be too much?  as examples

- if we withdrew from NATO?

- if he created tariffs that enriched himself and his family?

- if stone cold evidence came out of him colluding with Russia on the election?

-if Putin admitted it? 

I'm not sure. he's an ##### but he gets things done and he's fulfilling the promises of his campaign. 2 years I've heard Russia this, Russia that .... there is nothing there. I guess if something cold hard came down like voting machine tampering and vote casting that would swing me to say impeach him.

4) There have been some other cases where Trump allegedly did things that republicans were livid with the Clintons for doing - like hosting his emails on a private server, or "pay to play" politics. Do you believe Trump has done similar things?  If so, does it bother you? 

Please note that this thread is intended for Trump supporters only. I appreciate that there are a lot of people here who don't like Trump, but I'd ask that you hold your comments for other threads. 

Everyone in Washington is selfish and self serving in different ways. If people don't understand that, they don't know politics. Trump long term is wanting to set in stone his name in US legacy. I think its about that for him, not money although if he can make more that's fine too.

Trump pisses on everyone, nobody wants to pay to dine with him like they did Hillary and Obama IMO

 
This is a pretty solid way to ignore anything negative, because you can just create a hypothetical that's worse than present reality. "Yeah, Trump may have used illicit funds to pay off porn stars he nailed while his wife was pregnant, but Hillary would have had her killed!"

I'm going to try this at work. "Yeah, I missed the meeting and my report's late, but at least you didn't hire Jack, who's probably an arsonist."
I suppose.

 
Two questions:

1.  Which specific deregulation has been good?  Good for corporations or good for the people of America?

2.  Potential corruption?  Hillary's certainty is based on the hypothetical that she is President?
1) I wouldnt point to one thing.   Its the amount.  

2) clintons in haiti.

 
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This is demonstrably false.  The amount of self-dealing is orders of magnitude worse than we've seen from any American politician in history. It's constant and if he wasn't the president (and thus exempt from federal laws on ethics and self-dealing) he would likely be indicted and possibly imprisoned pursuant to 18 USC Sec 208.

We can start a thread if you'd like but frankly I just assumed everyone knew it.
We dont have one yet?   Yes we should have that.

 
We dont have one yet?   Yes we should have that.
Deleted my comment- good thread idea by @bostonfred and I don't want people to feel like they're gonna get bombarded for expressing opinions if someone else has something contradictory to share. If I have some time I'll compile some stuff on self-dealing and start a different thread.

 
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I get that.  I'm asking why you choose to see it this way. 
I guess its pragmatic.   

And i have a job and bills to pay.   And kids.   And a wife who wants more stuff.  And college.    And more college in a couple years.   Oh and lets not forget about retirement.    I care more about the economy more than the rest combined.   Why?   Because my personal economy is the only thing i can have an effect on. 

So its short hand.

But i will say again  the tarriff stuff needs to stop.   (Except china)

 
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I guess its pragmatic.   

And i have a job and bills to pay.   And kids.   And a wife who wants more stuff.  And college.    And more college in a couple years.   Oh and lets not forget about retirement.    I care more about the economy more than the rest combined.   Why?   Because my personal economy is the only thing i can have an effect on. 

So its short hand.

But i will say again  the tarriff stuff needs to stop.   (Except china)
These are my thoughts, especially around the economy so I understand what you're saying as to what's important to you and why.  So it's safe to say that you aren't very happy with the path we've been set on and the obstacles we will be facing in the next few years?  I am still puzzled at how Hillary even enters this equation anymore.  We have all of Trump's policies, decisions and impacts sitting in front of us to judge on their own merits.  They are real and have a real impact on us TODAY.

For me, it was a no win situation in 2016.  Neither candidate passed my sniff test.  It's the first time I didn't vote for a President.  So my questions are really genuine and not to be attacking.  I'm genuinely interested in people such as yourself who have economy as #1 on their list and voted for Trump.  Do you plan on voting for Trump in the next election or does it depend on who the Democrats trot out there as a challenger?  Do you hope that someone in the GOP primaries Trump?  Thanks for the responses thus far :thumbup:  

 
These are my thoughts, especially around the economy so I understand what you're saying as to what's important to you and why.  So it's safe to say that you aren't very happy with the path we've been set on and the obstacles we will be facing in the next few years?  I am still puzzled at how Hillary even enters this equation anymore.  We have all of Trump's policies, decisions and impacts sitting in front of us to judge on their own merits.  They are real and have a real impact on us TODAY.

For me, it was a no win situation in 2016.  Neither candidate passed my sniff test.  It's the first time I didn't vote for a President.  So my questions are really genuine and not to be attacking.  I'm genuinely interested in people such as yourself who have economy as #1 on their list and voted for Trump.  Do you plan on voting for Trump in the next election or does it depend on who the Democrats trot out there as a challenger?  Do you hope that someone in the GOP primaries Trump?  Thanks for the responses thus far :thumbup:  
Zero chance i vote for a democratic socialist.   I value my pocket book as much as anyone values their right to choose.

I prefered ted cruz.    But the supreme court will keep me with trump.

 
I've seen a lot of people defending Trump and his policies.  I understand that he's undone a lot of what Obama did and that he's enacted some Republican measures, plus the supreme court.  So I get that there's a certain satisfaction with his job so far because he's doing things you wanted him to do. 

My questions for people who currently support him

1) do you feel like his accomplishments and future potential outweigh the alleged corruption, or do you feel like there really is no corruption? 

2) do you feel like he's permanently damaged the country's relationships with allies like NATO? Or improved them? 

3) is there anything he could do that would be too much?  as examples

- if we withdrew from NATO?

- if he created tariffs that enriched himself and his family?

- if stone cold evidence came out of him colluding with Russia on the election?

-if Putin admitted it? 

4) There have been some other cases where Trump allegedly did things that republicans were livid with the Clintons for doing - like hosting his emails on a private server, or "pay to play" politics. Do you believe Trump has done similar things?  If so, does it bother you? 

Please note that this thread is intended for Trump supporters only. I appreciate that there are a lot of people here who don't like Trump, but I'd ask that you hold your comments for other threads. 
1)  Trump has been exceptionally good for the economy and for America.  Rolling back many of Obamas executive orders was great and adding two conservative supreme court judges was huge.  I don't believe Trump colluded with Russia but if it is proved he colluded then I will fully support impeaching him and would welcome Pence.

2)  Permanantly damaged relationships with allies, omg not even close.

3)  Already adressed above

4)  Clinton was the corrupt one so America avoided a landmine by electing Trump.  The attacks on Trump are sour grapes and childish which started on election night.  

 
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Zero chance i vote for a democratic socialist.   I value my pocket book as much as anyone values their right to choose.

I prefered ted cruz.    But the supreme court will keep me with trump.
What if the market tanks between now and reelection?  Would that impact your vote?

 
Zero chance i vote for a democratic socialist.   I value my pocket book as much as anyone values their right to choose.

I prefered ted cruz.    But the supreme court will keep me with trump.
I encourage you to really look at the issues and pay attention to what's happening to your family and the nation economically in the next couple years.  You say you won't vote for a "democratic socialist".  Two questions:

1.  What do you understand that term to mean?

2.  Would you vote for a democrat that wasn't "socialist" as it were?

 
I encourage you to really look at the issues and pay attention to what's happening to your family and the nation economically in the next couple years.  You say you won't vote for a "democratic socialist".  Two questions:

1.  What do you understand that term to mean?

2.  Would you vote for a democrat that wasn't "socialist" as it were?
You're first sentence is offensive.  You imply that if i pay attention "the issues"  I'd think like you.   Your premise is wrong.  

1) Democrat Socialist = Socialist= someone smarter than me will take my money and use it better than i would.

2) id vote for a truman or a jfk democrat.   But those guys would be conservatives today.  The future of the democratic party is socialism.   

No i wont vote democrat.

 
You're first sentence is offensive.  You imply that if i pay attention "the issues"  I'd think like you.   Your premise is wrong.  

1) Democrat Socialist = Socialist= someone smarter than me will take my money and use it better than i would.

2) id vote for a truman or a jfk democrat.   But those guys would be conservatives today.  The future of the democratic party is socialism.   

No i wont vote democrat.
Sorry....this is on you.  To my knowledge we have never discussed anything of consequence.  You have no real idea how I think other than the fact I have told you I don't subscribe to the "lesser of two evils" approach.  I also told you I think similar to you on things like the economy but my evaluation was different.  You have no way of knowing how I think outside of that.  For all you know we think the same already.

It wasn't meant to be offensive.  If the economy is really your driving issue then I suspect you'll clearly see (if paying attention to your own finances and how they are impacted) what voting for Trump does.  Unless, of course you are super wealthy and have more money than you know what to do with, but I didn't get that sense from your initial post.  I could be wrong.  That was my only point and one I was making to someone I thought had more in the thought process than "not Democrat.  If you won't vote for a democrat, it doesn't really matter how the economy does....Trump's your guy, so I'm not even sure why you offered economy as your primary concern when it seems to be "not Democrat" :shrug:  

Appreciate the answers to the questions...I didn't mean to offend.  Based on the answers to the questions, it's pretty safe to say we are done here.  Have a good day :thumbup:  

 
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Sorry....this is on you.  To my knowledge we have never discussed anything of consequence.  You have no real idea how I think other than the fact I have told you I don't subscribe to the "lesser of two evils" approach.  I also told you I think similar to you on things like the economy but my evaluation was different.  You have no way of knowing how I think outside of that.  For all you know we think the same.

It wasn't meant to be offensive.  If the economy is really your driving issue then I suspect you'll clearly see (if paying attention to your own finances and how they are impacted) what voting for Trump does.  Unless, of course you are super wealthy and have more money than you know what to do with, but I didn't get that sense from your initial post.  I could be wrong.  That was my only point and one I was making to someone I thought had more in the thought process than "not Democrat.  If you won't vote for a democrat, it doesn't really matter how the economy does....Trump's your guy, so I'm not even sure why you offered economy as your primary concern when it seems to be "not Democrat" :shrug:  

Appreciate the answers to the questions...I didn't mean to offend.  Based on the answers to the questions, it's pretty safe to say we are done here.  Have a good day :thumbup:  
no worries on offense.  I'm not rich.   im just broke at a different level than when i started.     I get zero from the govt social safety net.   Im a payor.    If you think ill ever agree to pay more, well i won't.   I need every crumb.

I dont see how you think more taxes build the economy.   But Ill keep watching.

 
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1) Yes.  He has done good things.  Supreme Court, tax reform, securing the border, N Korea, Out of Iran deal, ISIS has been thwarted, he is addressing our role in Europe which had been kicked down the road for years.  I don’t feel the corruption is worse than any other administration.  He has acted quickly to remove those elements.  

2) There is no long term damage to NATO.  Things have to change.  The world has changed in 60 years.  We spend way to much to defend some of those countries. We have our own problems with our infrastructure that need addressing.  

3). I need stone cold evidence he ordered Russian tampering. If so, then Pence is on the mound.  

4) Probably.  Sadly, our entire political system has become corrupt.  Too much money involved   Money talks.  I wish that would change. It’s everywhere from local to federal level.  

 
1) Yes.  He has done good things.  Supreme Court, tax reform, securing the border, N Korea, Out of Iran deal, ISIS has been thwarted, he is addressing our role in Europe which had been kicked down the road for years.  I don’t feel the corruption is worse than any other administration.  He has acted quickly to remove those elements.  

2) There is no long term damage to NATO.  Things have to change.  The world has changed in 60 years.  We spend way to much to defend some of those countries. We have our own problems with our infrastructure that need addressing.  

3). I need stone cold evidence he ordered Russian tampering. If so, then Pence is on the mound.  

4) Probably.  Sadly, our entire political system has become corrupt.  Too much money involved   Money talks.  I wish that would change. It’s everywhere from local to federal level.  
so do you support undoing or legislating around citizens united based on number four thanks brohan take that to the bank 

 
I encourage you to really look at the issues and pay attention to what's happening to your family and the nation economically in the next couple years.  You say you won't vote for a "democratic socialist".  Two questions:

1.  What do you understand that term to mean?

2.  Would you vote for a democrat that wasn't "socialist" as it were?
The democratic party is moving far left. I seriously doubt anyone that could be palatable to most on the right has any chance to win the primary.

I'll personally probably vote libertarian again unless the democrats nominate someone that forces me to vote Trump since I do live in a battleground state.

 
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Don't want to go against the purpose of the thread but the timing on this was pretty amazing- a story about self-dealing broke just in the two hours since your post. 

I'll step aside now and let you all do your thing, appreciate the chance to hear genuine mostly shtick-free reasoning of Trump supporters.
i see that.  but that money gets spent regardless.  Trump knows those places and is comfortable there.   Is there a reason he shouldn't be able to go where he likes.    I mean when the president travels money gets spent.    

The kind of thing that would bother me would be exclusive insider dealing.    Not saying that doesnt go on.  But he should be able to stay where he wants.   Thank you Tobias

 
i see that.  but that money gets spent regardless.  Trump knows those places and is comfortable there.   Is there a reason he shouldn't be able to go where he likes.    I mean when the president travels money gets spent.    

The kind of thing that would bother me would be exclusive insider dealing.    Not saying that doesnt go on.  But he should be able to stay where he wants.   Thank you Tobias
Yes, of course.  The reason is that if Trump stands to profit from some travel and not others it could (let's be honest, it will) affect his itinerary. And the itinerary of the President of the United States should not be impacted by where he or his family own vacation properties, let alone where he can profit off the travel.

 
Yes, of course.  The reason is that if Trump stands to profit from some travel and not others it could (let's be honest, it will) affect his itinerary. And the itinerary of the President of the United States should not be impacted by where he or his family own vacation properties, let alone where he can profit off the travel.
Has every trip Trump has gone on been a place where he made money off of it? If not this argument holds no water and seems extremely nit picky. 

 
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Yes, of course.  The reason is that if Trump stands to profit from some travel and not others it could (let's be honest, it will) affect his itinerary. And the itinerary of the President of the United States should not be impacted by where he or his family own vacation properties, let alone where he can profit off the travel.
in the grand scheme you are talking about  basis points of basis points in profits.   But if you think there should be a law that he cant stay at where companies he owns and can benefit regardless of how minuscule.  I say ok.    But thats not gonna set me off.

If he moves the white house to trump tower and charges quadruple rent.  that will piss me off.   but that...no not so much

 
I don't know?   why do you think the Dems are trending pro business?
Are you asking me if that's my belief or are you asking me this as if it's an obvious thing that's happening?  To me, it's the latter and it's because that's where the money is.  But there is a fracture in the Dem party between the progressives and the establishment types.  They are fighting over this.  I don't know what this has to do with our conversation though.  :oldunsure:  

 
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The democratic party is moving far left. I seriously doubt anyone that could be palatable to most on the right has any chance to win the primary.

I'll personally probably vote libertarian again unless the democrats nominate someone that forces me to vote Trump since I do live in a battleground state.
How exactly would the dems "force you" to vote for Trump?  Your vote is yours unless you walk into the voting booth with a gun pointed at your head.  We all own our votes.

 
Has every trip Trump has gone on been a place where he made money off of it? If not this argument holds no water and seems extremely nit picky. 
I'm sorry, just to be clear: is your argument here that nobody can ever make a corrupt self-dealing move or decision if they also sometimes makes moves and decisions that are not corrupt and self-dealing?

In the spirit of the thread I'll let that argument stand on its own merits instead of commenting on it.

 
Are you asking my if that's my belief or are you asking me this as if it's an obvious thing that's happening?  To me, it's the latter and it's because that's where the money is.  But there is a fracture in the Dem party between the progressives and the establishment types.  They are fighting over this.  I don't know what this has to do with our conversation though.  :oldunsure:  
well i don't see it a fracture.   I see the socialists as having won.   They hold the consistency moral high ground.   

It has to do with why i would vote for a bunch of scummy  crony capitalists.  Over Democratic Socialist thugs.  They effect me less.

 
in the grand scheme you are talking about  basis points of basis points in profits.   But if you think there should be a law that he cant stay at where companies he owns and can benefit regardless of how minuscule.  I say ok.    But thats not gonna set me off.

If he moves the white house to trump tower and charges quadruple rent.  that will piss me off.   but that...no not so much
I'm not gonna get into a subjective discussion of the relative awfulness of self-dealing at the expense of the taxpayer, this isn't the place.  But just on the scale issue- this was one small decision that I posted because it happened like an hour after you asked if this stuff ever happens. In truth, decisions that personally enrich Trump and his family are made constantly, both by the administration and by those who seek to curry favor by funneling money to the Trump family whether or not they are specifically asked to do so.

 
I'm sorry, just to be clear: is your argument here that nobody can ever make a corrupt self-dealing move or decision if they also sometimes makes moves and decisions that are not corrupt and self-dealing?

In the spirit of the thread I'll let that argument stand on its own merits instead of commenting on it.
My argument is that crying about where Trump decides to stay on trips is silly. The guy owns properties, he probably had them built a certain way because he likes them that way.

I can't stand Trump to me he is a huge blemish on the Republican party but this kind of crap is why he still has a lot of support.

 
well i don't see it a fracture.   I see the socialists as having won.   They hold the consistency moral high ground.   

It has to do with why i would vote for a bunch of scummy  crony capitalists.  Over Democratic Socialist thugs.  They effect me less.
I'm assuming the "socialist" things you are worried about are healthcare and education.  Is that correct?

 
I'm not gonna get into a subjective discussion of the relative awfulness of self-dealing at the expense of the taxpayer, this isn't the place.  But just on the scale issue- this was one small decision that I posted because it happened like an hour after you asked if this stuff ever happens. In truth, decisions that personally enrich Trump and his family are made constantly, both by the administration and by those who seek to curry favor by funneling money to the Trump family whether or not they are specifically asked to do so.
i get that tobias.   i was just responding.    Im sure that will be a lively thread.

 
I'm assuming the "socialist" things you are worried about are healthcare and education.  Is that correct?
I mean economically.   Its why i don't name a single great deregulation.   I think the US economy is doing better because some of the chains are off,  its been the  slow death of a 1000 cuts.    But like you said,   lets watch and see.

 

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