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On 4/11/2019 at 11:59 AM, timschochet said:

My Bloody Valentine- Loveless (1991)

Only Shallow

Loomer 

Touched

To Here Knows When 

When You Sleep 

I Only Said

Come In Alone 

Sometimes

Blown A Wish 

What You Want 

Soon

 

Shoegazing. Well, this is not my kind of thing, I have to be honest. To me it sounds a little bit like Lou Reed’s old Metal Machine Music. But the amount of work and money that went into this record is very impressive; it’s very much into progressive rock territory. This is serious business time. 

And the critics loved the result. No matter where you look this album is considered one of the very best that the 90s had to offer and a magnum opus for the band. So it looks like I am the philistine. My usual role anyhow. 

 

It is astounding to me that I have never heard this album before Tim posted it. I'd heard of it, but somehow, despite this type of record being in my and many of my friends' wheelhouses stylistically, the first time I listened to it was a couple days ago. And it is spectacular. Hearing it for the first time, it sounded to me like something recorded in the mid 90s, not the early 90s. Cutting edge stuff. I love it.

Yaknow how sometimes you wish you could go back and hear an album or song or artist for the first time? For those of you that have been listening to MBV for a lot of years, you can live vicariously through me right now. I'm just beginning my exploration of it, and it's rad. Thanks, @timschochet and @rockaction for posting it and reacting to it, respectively. This sort of thing is why I love the FFA.

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Loveless speaks for itself, but Isn't Anything isn't far behind and don't sleep on m b v (a case be made for listening to In Another Way on repeat for the rest of my life). Somehow haven't gotten around to the EPs.

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U2- Achtung Baby (1991) 

Zoo Station 

Even Better Than the Real Thing 

One 

Until the End of the World

Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses

So Cruel

The Fly 

Mysterious Ways

Tryin’ to Throw Your Arms Around the World

Ultra Violet (Light My Way) 

Acrobat

Love Is Blindness 

 

Earlier in this thread we reviewed The Joshua Tree, which I had always assumed was this band’s signature album (and, as a casual fan, contains most of my favorite songs from them aside from some very early stuff.) But as it turns out, many critics and fans seem to like this one from 1991 better. Brian Eno returns as producer and there are some hits here, like “One” and “Mysterious Ways”. As I wrote I’m a casual fan which means I enjoy listening to the well known material. Hopefully some of their more serious fans can chime in here and offer some commentary.

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Achtung Baby is U2's best work.  Not a bad song on that album and several are superb.  Timeless classic.

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The super deluxe edition of Actung Baby could very well be my favorite album package of all time. Definitely one of my regular go to options. 

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36 minutes ago, timschochet said:

The Joshua Tree, which I had always assumed was this band’s signature album

It was.

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8 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

It was.

Agreed - Bullet the Blue Sky is by far my favorite song of theirs. . . actually now that I think about it I think it's the only song I like any more.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

U2- Achtung Baby (1991) 

Zoo Station 

Even Better Than the Real Thing 

One 

Until the End of the World

Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses

So Cruel

The Fly 

Mysterious Ways

Tryin’ to Throw Your Arms Around the World

Ultra Violet (Light My Way) 

Acrobat

Love Is Blindness 

 

Earlier in this thread we reviewed The Joshua Tree, which I had always assumed was this band’s signature album (and, as a casual fan, contains most of my favorite songs from them aside from some very early stuff.) But as it turns out, many critics and fans seem to like this one from 1991 better. Brian Eno returns as producer and there are some hits here, like “One” and “Mysterious Ways”. As I wrote I’m a casual fan which means I enjoy listening to the well known material. Hopefully some of their more serious fans can chime in here and offer some commentary.

I wore out 2 cds of this in 90s.

One was/is a major - major - inspiration to me.

Until the End of the World is prolly my fav non-hit of the album.

Love Is Blindness  is just so beautiful, that it may surpass UtEotW as my fav non-hit, but....

...Jack White's version is sooooo rockin', that it accidentally lowers my surface opinion of U2's - that is wrong of me, but.... :shrug:

Give the album a big 👍👍

 

 

 

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Joshua Tree may be their signature album (and I love, love, love that album), but this album is right there as well.

Two of my all-time faves are from this one - Tryin' to Throw Your Arms Around the World (including one of the best lyrics - "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle". Yes, I know it's not an original saying, but it sure sounds awesome in that song) and Ultra Violet (Light My Way), as well as one of the more underrated songs in Acrobat. 

Just a great album from top to bottom.

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Zoo TV was also probably the best tour of all time and completely changed the game of what a concert could be.

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2 minutes ago, zoonation said:

Zoo TV was also probably the best tour of all time and completely changed the game of what a concert could be.

Heh - what makes you sooo knowin' about "zoo'?

Don't get me wrong - I agree - but I find yous smug demenor about havin' your own TV station a little off-puttin'!

 

 

 

 

 

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I will take Achtung Baby over The Joshua Tree without even thinking about it.  12 songs, all of them really good/great, and the flow and vibe makes for one heckuva journey.  One and Mysterious Ways are the ones the general public know the most, and both are very good, but the true gems are in the deep cuts like Ultraviolet, Acrobat and Love Is Blindness, which is an amazing 1-2-3 punch to the end the album, and of course I have to mention my personal favorite, Until the End of the World. 

This is a top 20 all-time record in my book. 

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I was never a huge U2 album guy, so I'll just say that One and Mysterious Ways are awesome songs.

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Grateful Dead- Europe ‘72 (1973) 

Cumberland Blues

He’s Gone

One More Saturday Night 

Jack Straw

You Win Again 

China Cat Sunflower

I Know You Rider

Brown-Eyed Woman 

Hurts Me Too

Ramble On Rose 

 Sugar Magnolia

Mr. Charlie 

Tennessee Jed

Truckin’ 

Epilogue/Prelude 

Morning Dew 

 

IMO, even more than the famous Dead albums American Beauty and Workingman’s Dead, this is the quintessential Grateful Dead album, because their live performances are so key to appreciating them as a band. 

This is a wonderful album to listen to: the jams on “Truckin’”, “Sugar Magnolia” and “China Cat Sunflower” are magnificent. But it’s the new material that is even better: “Brown Eyed Woman” and “Ramble On Rose” are as good as the Dead ever got. 

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12 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Grateful Dead- Europe ‘72 (1973) 

 

It’s a wonderful double-album. Wore it out when I was in college in the ‘70s.  Has a great version of Jack Straw.  And this version of China Cat Sunflower/I know You Rider is probably the best I’ve heard. 

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"Morning Dew" from '72 is what finally sold me on the Dead. Wasn't a big fan, but when I heard that version, it just blew me away and I was hooked ever since.

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54 minutes ago, zamboni said:

"Morning Dew" from '72 is what finally sold me on the Dead. Wasn't a big fan, but when I heard that version, it just blew me away and I was hooked ever since.

Thought I heeeard a baby, cry this morninnnnng... 

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I can't imagine how many novice guitar players broke strings trying to get in tune with Europe '72. Glad they finally corrected the pitch.

Odd they never bothered with studio versions of Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, Brown-Eyed Women and Ramble On Rose.

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3 hours ago, johnnycakes said:

And this version of China Cat Sunflower/I know You Rider is probably the best I’ve heard. 

I love the album, and China Cat Sunflower > I Know You Rider is my favorite part.

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Steely Dan- Pretzel Logic (1974) 

Rikki Don’t Lose That Number 

Night By Night 

Any Major Dude Will Tell You

Barrytown 

East St. Louis Toodle-Oo 

Parker’s Band 

Through With Buzz

Pretzel Logic 

With a Gun 

Charlie Freak 

Monkey in Your Soul 

 

Earlier in this thread we reviewed Aja, which might be the most polished album on the entire list. This one is not nearly as heavily produced, but many fans like it even more, perhaps for that reason. It was their breakthrough record, the one that gave them star status. 

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Love Pretzel Logic -  the title track is one of the most unheralded songs in their ouevre. They often play it these days as the encore.

And can't hear "Rikki" without thinking of this scene.

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Pretzel Logic is a great pick, and indeed, the title track is really something else. Gonna go give this a spin now as I work.

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The Kinks- Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt.1 (1970) 

The Contenders 

Strangers 

Denmark Street

Get Back in Line

Lola 

Top of the Pops

Moneygoround 

This Time Tomorrow

A Long Way From Home 

Rats 

Apeman 

Powerman 

Got to Be Free

 

After much pondering I have finally decided that this is the best Kinks album. The title tracks, “Apeman”, “Get Back In Line”, “A Long Way From Home”, all brilliant. 

As a longtime listener to this band I’ve always thought of it as mainly a vehicle for Ray Davies: his music, his vision. But in recent years I’ve come to appreciate that his brother Dave has played an almost equal role with his brilliant guitar riffs- Lola is a prime example of this. 

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9 minutes ago, timschochet said:

The Kinks- Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt.1 (1970)

After much pondering I have finally decided that this is the best Kinks album. has played an almost equal role with his brilliant guitar riffs- Lola is a prime example of this. 

The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society box set I just got on vinyl and CD is vehemently disagreeing in the record rack I have. 

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society box set I just got on vinyl and CD is vehemently disagreeing in the record rack I have. 

It’s a great album. It’s #3 on my personal list- Arthur is #2. But I can see the argument. 

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Just now, timschochet said:

It’s a great album. It’s #3 on my personal list- Arthur is #2. But I can see the argument. 

I was just kidding. Wasn't even gently disagreeing. Have never listened to the LP with Lola all the way through.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

I was just kidding. Wasn't even gently disagreeing. Have never listened to the LP with Lola all the way through.

I still contend that this band’s one weakness, as compared to their contemporaries (and there aren’t too many of these- the Kinks’ contemporaries are The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and The Who) is that they didn’t make incredible albums. I love Lola and Arthur and Village Green, but they simply can’t compare to any of the bands I just listed in terms of album quality. Song quality, yes; you could take the Kinks’ 50 best songs and put them up against these other bands and they’d at least be competitive- but the albums are uneven and have more filler than the other bands IMO. 

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

I still contend that this band’s one weakness, as compared to their contemporaries (and there aren’t too many of these- the Kinks’ contemporaries are The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and The Who) is that they didn’t make incredible albums. I love Lola and Arthur and Village Green, but they simply can’t compare to any of the bands I just listed in terms of album quality. Song quality, yes; you could take the Kinks’ 50 best songs and put them up against these other bands and they’d at least be competitive- but the albums are uneven and have more filler than the other bands IMO. 

I think you encapsulated it well. Ray was a brilliant and witty songwriter, but the one downside is that he sometimes tried too hard to show it at the expense of the underlying music. But that's just a small knock - still a great band with some great albums despite the occasional filler.

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5 hours ago, rockaction said:

The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society box set I just got on vinyl and CD is vehemently disagreeing in the record rack I have. 

Yeah, I'd put Village Green #1 too.  Lola is great, and has some good songs, but I skip by a bit too much.  Village Green is just amazing from top to bottom.

Lola probably below Something Else and Arthur.  Close call with Muswell Hillbillies and Face to Face.

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5 hours ago, rockaction said:

The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society box set I just got on vinyl and CD is vehemently disagreeing in the record rack I have. 

I firmly believe this is just schtick for timmay, 120k posts at a tsunami rate , voracious reader and music junkie . Not buying it 

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

I firmly believe this is just schtick for timmay, 120k posts at a tsunami rate , voracious reader and music junkie . Not buying it 

I have often wondered if tim was real given that they joke about keys at som:e:where, but I personally think tim is real and just a bit manic. He's human, all too human not to be. 

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