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Revoking a Security Clearance (1 Viewer)

Ramblin Wreck said:
Stopped here because I couldn't stop laughing.   "Another day, another indication that @WhiteHouse officials knowingly increased the risk that foreign intelligence services could inappropriately access our most private places"

Private email servers didn't seem to matter.
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of course they mattered.  you remember the FBI investigation right?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Stopped here because I couldn't stop laughing.   "Another day, another indication that @WhiteHouse officials knowingly increased the risk that foreign intelligence services could inappropriately access our most private places"

Private email servers didn't seem to matter.
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Do you think the private server thing wasn't investigated enough? 

Should this be looked into more?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Stopped here because I couldn't stop laughing.   "Another day, another indication that @WhiteHouse officials knowingly increased the risk that foreign intelligence services could inappropriately access our most private places"

Private email servers didn't seem to matter.
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A 15 month FBI investigation says it matters, it was a problem. Kushner doing classified on WhatsApp is a big problem. Top tier WH personnel with problems of “foreign influence, conflicts of interest, concerning personal conduct, financial problems, drug use and criminal conduct" is a bigger problem.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
A 15 month FBI investigation says it matters, it was a problem. Kushner doing classified on WhatsApp is a big problem. Top tier WH personnel with problems of “foreign influence, conflicts of interest, concerning personal conduct, financial problems, drug use and criminal conduct" is a bigger problem.
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That investigation was a joke.  She was "careless" was the result.  No she broke the damn law but they aren't going to prosecute or revoke her access was the real result.  And 63 million people voted for her so they supported her lack of care for National Security.

Kushner should be escorted out and prosecuted.  End of story.  I'm not playing right vs left with stuff and never have.  But anyone that voted for Clinton and pulled the b-b-b but emails has no room to whine here (not saying that's you just saying in general).

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
That investigation was a joke.  She was "careless" was the result.  No she broke the damn law but they aren't going to prosecute or revoke her access was the real result.  And 63 million people voted for her so they supported her lack of care for National Security.

Kushner should be escorted out and prosecuted.  End of story.  I'm not playing right vs left with stuff and never have.  But anyone that voted for Clinton and pulled the b-b-b but emails has no room to whine here (not saying that's you just saying in general).
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nice to know we don’t need investigations.  we just have you.

 
joffer said:
nice to know we don’t need investigations.  we just have you.
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We've hashed this over and over 100 times.  If that's the burden of proof you want then let's roll with Trump hasn't done anything wrong he hasn't been convicted of anything.  But I'm sure you're smart enough to know Clinton was wrong here.  But politics.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
We've hashed this over and over 100 times.  If that's the burden of proof you want then let's roll with Trump hasn't done anything wrong he hasn't been convicted of anything.  But I'm sure you're smart enough to know Clinton was wrong here.  But politics.
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I’m not talking about Trump.  Clinton did something wrong and she was investigated for it.  Kushner did something wrong and he should be investigated for it.  If someone illegally bypassed security clearances they should be investigated for it.  I’m for the rule of law and due process.

 
joffer said:
I’m not talking about Trump.  Clinton did something wrong and she was investigated for it.  Kushner did something wrong and he should be investigated for it.  If someone illegally bypassed security clearances they should be investigated for it.  I’m for the rule of law and due process.
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Trump can bypass the process to give Kushner a clearance.   Kushner, however, cannot do whatever he wants with classified information.  The issue isn't that Kushner has a clearance.  It's what he's doing with the information.

By the way, I used to work in this space.  If you or I put classified information of any type on a personal email account or a chat app, we would be escorted out of the building, clearances revoked and effectively fired because you can't work in that space any longer.   And that's if you're lucky and they choose not to prosecute you.   

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The issue isn't that Kushner has a clearance.  It's what he's doing with the information.
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I hope you remember my work in the Clinton thread as you read my comments.  It's both of these.  A larger problem here is that Trump can bypass this stuff.  Our laws around security are antiquated at best and it's terrifying that the politicians in DC aren't more up to speed on technology.  It's mind blowing really.  Whatever happens with that information now lays at the feet of Trump just like, should it have happened with Clinton, the feet at Clinton if/when any national security secrets be exposed by her carelessness.

What's missing from this thread is Tim :hophead:  about how the higher up you go in the chain of command the less strict you should be with them.

TL'DR:  We have a ####ty process for this sort of thing that needs a complete overhaul and education of these idiots in DC.  Few of them show any sort of understanding of technology, how it works and what it's weaknesses are.  It's like having to sit down with your 11 year old and going over why it's not a good idea to be posting videos online of themselves in their bedrooms wearing their school uniform.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
That investigation was a joke.  She was "careless" was the result.  No she broke the damn law but they aren't going to prosecute or revoke her access was the real result.  And 63 million people voted for her so they supported her lack of care for National Security.

Kushner should be escorted out and prosecuted.  End of story.  I'm not playing right vs left with stuff and never have.  But anyone that voted for Clinton and pulled the b-b-b but emails has no room to whine here (not saying that's you just saying in general).
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Yaknow Wreck, I think with the arrest of the Chinese National caught essentially spying on Trump’s private property where iirc he has spent a quarter of his presidency, we are past the usual D/R political bs.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Stopped here because I couldn't stop laughing.   "Another day, another indication that @WhiteHouse officials knowingly increased the risk that foreign intelligence services could inappropriately access our most private places"

Private email servers didn't seem to matter.
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Once again Hilary is not President. Yes, she was irresponsible with her private server. But once again, she is not President.

And Trump is. This story about the Chinese Woman at Mar-a-Logo is scary. Major National Security issues. 

And you can keep saying "But the emails...This is happening now."

 
badmojo1006 said:
Once again Hilary is not President. Yes, she was irresponsible with her private server. But once again, she is not President.

And Trump is. This story about the Chinese Woman at Mar-a-Logo is scary. Major National Security issues. 

And you can keep saying "But the emails...This is happening now."
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Stuff was happening when she was a high ranking government official running for President with many of you voting for her despite her "carelessness".  Many of you here downplayed the issue back then and still do.  But now it happens with Trump and it's scary!!!  

By the way here's a tip.  The Chinese and likely Russians too already have a pretty good profile of you built in a database somewhere.   And if you've been through an airport they have a sweet picture of you too.  Always smile when you're in an airport!!  Lots of people are watching.

But back to your fear.  I've said since Clinton and will say here.  Anyone caught breaking security rules should be removed from their position immediately and prosecuted.  But politics helped Clinton and I'm sure will help Trump's cronies too

 
If someone has their security clearance revoked - can they use an alias to regain that clearance?

Asking for a friend.

 
If anyone had any doubt that Buttery Mails was anything other than a political hit job -- this thread should erase all doubt.

 
JohnnyU said:
4 cell phones, a laptop, and a thumb drive with malware.  Lying about why she was there too.  What was this women up to?
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And two Chinese passports. I'll go with spying.

And the Secret Service, unlike at the White House, does not keep visitor logs at Maralago. This was caught by the front desk receptionist. 

 
JohnnyU said:
If she's a spy she seems to be a dumb one.
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Welcome to the Trump administration. - Actually I think you're right she is dumb, there have probably been a number of 'smart' ones who don't get caught. This one actually got picked up by a valet who asked her where he could take her. How dumb (read: corrupt) does an administration have to be to even permit this environment?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Welcome to the Trump administration. - Actually I think you're right she is dumb, there have probably been a number of 'smart' ones who don't get caught. This one actually got picked up by a valet who asked her where he could take her. How dumb (read: corrupt) does an administration have to be to even permit this environment?
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Not sure corrupt is the right word.  Sounds to me like they just need better security.  A definite loop hole if I ever saw one.

 
In an exclusive interview with NBC News, Tricia Newbold said her supervisor moved files to a shelf beyond her reach after she complained about the decision to grant security clearances over the objections of senior staffers.

"It was definitely humiliating," said Newbold, a manager in the White House’s Personnel Security Office, who has a rare form of dwarfism. "... But it didn’t stop me from doing what was right."
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Great people, the best.

 
Security clearances have turned into a joke over the last 15 or so years. 

People can legally keep one even after the adjudicating authority rules on it. Half lawyers fault, half the softness of america

 
Skoo said:
MUST

DEFLECT

MUST

DEFLECT

MUST 

DEFLECT
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Why do these conversations always have to be a left vs right pissing match?  Can't we just discuss what actually happened and the repercussions of what could have happened, or what was suppose to happen?  It gets so tiring in this forum when one side is always jabbing at the other.  It takes away from the real discussion as to what this woman was up to.

 
JohnnyU said:
Why do these conversations always have to be a left vs right pissing match?  Can't we just discuss what actually happened and the repercussions of what could have happened, or what was suppose to happen?  It gets so tiring in this forum when one side is always jabbing at the other.  It takes away from the real discussion as to what this woman was up to.
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Ask the one who couldn't discuss the current topic and went to discuss Obama.

 
JohnnyU said:
Why do these conversations always have to be a left vs right pissing match?  Can't we just discuss what actually happened and the repercussions of what could have happened, or what was suppose to happen?  It gets so tiring in this forum when one side is always jabbing at the other.  It takes away from the real discussion as to what this woman was up to.
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I'm thinking maybe you meant to quote the guy bringing up Obama.

 
Skoo said:
I'm thinking maybe you meant to quote the guy bringing up Obama.
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I agree, but trust me, there is plenty of that from both sides up and down.  I just wanted to discuss what this woman did, what she was up to, and what could have happened if she had succeeded, without left vs right arguments all the time.  It's tiring.

 
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I can't wait for weeks of explaining way the whistle blower situation with 'LOOK EVERYBODY SHE'S SHORT'   Jessie Waters probably in the office right now making as many dwarf jokes as possible to give to Hannity, Tucker, and Ingram

 
Manu Raju‏Verified account @mkraju

FBI is investigating Mar-a-Lago incident for the possibility that it was part of an espionage effort, a US official tells @evanperez. The investigation is still being led by Secret Service

1:32 PM - 3 Apr 2019
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Opie said:
actual security breaches.....never happened before
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November 2009: A Washington couple, Tareq and Michaele Salahi, crash Obama’s first state dinner. The Secret Service later acknowledges that officers never checked whether they were on the guest list. A photo emerges showing that they shook hands with the president. Sullivan, the director, says that he is “deeply concerned and embarrassed” by the breach. The Salahis parlay their fame into an undistinguished career in reality TV.
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Isn't the Salahi situation occurring every time Trump goes to Maralago - which is roughly a quarter of his presidency? Except it happens every day, with no visitor logs, and hundreds and hundreds of times, for every person who attends Maralago while the president is there?

 
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