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Your 5 ABSOLUTE "DO NOT DRAFT" 2018 redraft players

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15 minutes ago, Titletown_Favres said:

We are going to have to agree to disagree.

guess u like Baldwin hill Hilton Diggs thielen over AJ (yikes)

Baldwin was an easy yes before the injury, now I'm not so certain. 

Hilton yes

Thielen/Diggs similar.

end of 2nd is my least favorite part of the draft...would much rather go RB/TE where Green is going.

 

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28 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Ben threw for 62 yards and 0.5 TD per game more at home than on the road last year. In 2016, he was 81 yards and 2.2 TD per game better at home. In 2015, he was 40 yards and 1.8 TD better per game at home.  Bottom line, Rowthlisberger’s fantasy numbers are way bett playing at home. 

Not disputing that Ben's numbers are substantially better at home. But his road numbers have improved and I think they improve even more this season. But paired with Smith, or Dak, or Mariota, I think you will end up with top 5 numbers when all is said and done.

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8 minutes ago, TripItUp said:

Baldwin was an easy yes before the injury, now I'm not so certain. 

Hilton yes

Thielen/Diggs similar.

end of 2nd is my least favorite part of the draft...would much rather go RB/TE where Green is going.

 

Agree. Rather take a stab at a rb I really like or gronk there

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2 hours ago, Keith1 said:

Not disputing that Ben's numbers are substantially better at home. But his road numbers have improved and I think they improve even more this season. But paired with Smith, or Dak, or Mariota, I think you will end up with top 5 numbers when all is said and done.

You think he improves in year, what? 12? 13?

Bens great but I think we know what to expect. Great shape reports are nice this time of year (haven't seen one about him but, fine) but how is that different from any other year? Did we have reports about being fat and out of shape in other years?

Nah, there are other more reliable targets around where he is being drafted.

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1 McCoy, and that was before the robbery news. The qbs are really bad, the o-line took some huge hits and he’s getting old for a rb. 

2 Ingram - the power of recency is amazing. It wasn’t long ago that people said he was being wasted on the saints. Now he’ll be the backup and he’s serving a suspension. People talk about Kamara being due for a lot of regression but the same thing can be said for Ingram. He won’t put up the same points without way more touches and he won’t get them. His adp blows my mind. 

3 Jeffery - Couldn’t hit 800 yards in a very good offense last year. And he looked bad doing it a lot of time imo.

4 Ronald Jones - bit of an Abdullah vibe. Won’t be the short yardage back and doesn’t look like the pass catcher either. Maybe in a year or two.

5 Hyde - I liked him coming out but he’s been a disappointment and was really poor to me last year. Duke is the pass catcher and Chubb is much better than him. I don’t see any upside unless there’s one or more injuries. 

 

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56 minutes ago, voiceofunreason said:

1 McCoy, and that was before the robbery news. The qbs are really bad, the o-line took some huge hits and he’s getting old for a rb. 

2 Ingram - the power of recency is amazing. It wasn’t long ago that people said he was being wasted on the saints. Now he’ll be the backup and he’s serving a suspension. People talk about Kamara being due for a lot of regression but the same thing can be said for Ingram. He won’t put up the same points without way more touches and he won’t get them. His adp blows my mind. 

3 Jeffery - Couldn’t hit 800 yards in a very good offense last year. And he looked bad doing it a lot of time imo.

4 Ronald Jones - bit of an Abdullah vibe. Won’t be the short yardage back and doesn’t look like the pass catcher either. Maybe in a year or two.

5 Hyde - I liked him coming out but he’s been a disappointment and was really poor to me last year. Duke is the pass catcher and Chubb is much better than him. I don’t see any upside unless there’s one or more injuries. 

 

Not sure I can get behind the Alshon hate.  He finished WR12 last year while playing the ENTIRE season with a torn rotator cuff.  Yet you think now that he's healthy, his WR22 ADP is too high?

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Just now, Deamon said:

Not sure I can get behind the Alshon hate.  He finished WR12 last year while playing the ENTIRE season with a torn rotator cuff.  Yet you think now that he's healthy, his WR22 ADP is too high?

Interesting, didn't realize that.

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1 minute ago, TripItUp said:

Interesting, didn't realize that.

Ya he tore it in camp last year and it was kept pretty hush all season but they revealed after the Super Bowl that he played with it torn all year.  He had surgery 2 weeks after the Super Bowl and is looking good.  Most people don't realize he was WR12 last year in standard (WR17 in PPR), but his ADP is WR20 (WR24 in PPR) seems very low. 

I think he has a better season this year than last year.  He got hot late in the year, and I think Ertz might have a bit of a regression too.  Alshon should be the clear #1 in that offense now and if he stays healthy, should be a top 10 WR this year.

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2.10 RB Jordan Howard - doesn't catch passes.

3.12 WR Amari Cooper - he's being drafted as WR16 which matches his career best finish, and last season he was garbage.

4.11 QB Deshaun Watson - tiny sample size and coming off an injury. Give me Wilson or Brady.

5.08 WR Chris Hogan - I expect the Gronk & Edelman show to resume this year

8.06 TE Trey Burton - his bio should make him a trendy sleeper pick, but tons of people somehow think that Chicago is a great place for a TE to put up big numbers and he's the perfect talent for them so instead he's an 8th rounder.

Let's play two: 3.01 Joe Mixon, 3.09 Derrick Henry, 4.03 Jay Ajayi, 5.12 Greg Olsen, 8.10 Jordy Nelson.

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lot of owners are debating going TE early say for one of the 3 top studs

in ppr this year which combo is preferred:

Fitz and Rudolph (or) Ertz and Marvin Jones

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RB Jerick McKinnon - RB13 at 2.11: He hasn't shown he's a good, let alone great RB and his value is artificially bumped from Jimmy G's end of season surge plus the new OC. Jimmy G's value has seemed to settle yet McKinnon's continues to rise. McKinnon as a borderline RB1 let alone a high end RB2, hard pass.

RB LeSean McCoy - RB16 at 3.04: His age plus a QB situation in flux with weak WR's will force him up against stacked boxes. They also downgraded their o-line trading away Cordy Glenn. And this is before his potential legal issues.

QB Deshaun Watson - QB2 at 4.11: Defenses now have film on him to make adjustments and I remember reading something about Watson having the most fortune with inaccurate passes last year that's bound for regression to the mean. Add in he's coming back from the ACL injury and there's no way he's putting up the video game numbers he did last year. The QB2 price tag is way too steep. I'd much rather have Brady, Wilson and Brees over Watson and probably Wentz and Luck who have injury concerns of their own. 

RB Donte Foreman - RB48 at 11.10: The first 3 players are guys who if magically fell a few rounds I'd consider drafting. That isn't the case for the next 2 guys. RB's don't come back full strength from ruptured achilles, they're a shell of their former selves. Foreman's already on PUP and isn't fully health to attempt his comeback just yet. I'll let someone else waste a late round pick on him, undraftable.

TE Tyler Eifert - TE13 at 12.11: Injured more than he's healthy although a great talent. He's already showing back issues in camp and that cost him most of last year while being ineffective in the little time he did play. I don't wish or like to assume players will be injured but he's destined to be injured again. I'd rather risk watching him blow up on someone else's team than waste a roster spot on my team for 4-5 weeks before I cut him. He's off my draft board.

 

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4 hours ago, ZWK said:

2.10 RB Jordan Howard - doesn't catch passes.

3.12 WR Amari Cooper - he's being drafted as WR16 which matches his career best finish, and last season he was garbage.

4.11 QB Deshaun Watson - tiny sample size and coming off an injury. Give me Wilson or Brady.

5.08 WR Chris Hogan - I expect the Gronk & Edelman show to resume this year

8.06 TE Trey Burton - his bio should make him a trendy sleeper pick, but tons of people somehow think that Chicago is a great place for a TE to put up big numbers and he's the perfect talent for them so instead he's an 8th rounder.

Let's play two: 3.01 Joe Mixon, 3.09 Derrick Henry, 4.03 Jay Ajayi, 5.12 Greg Olsen, 8.10 Jordy Nelson.

As usual, ZWK drops the mic on this thread.

My only disagreement with this post is Mixon. The Bengals ran the fewest offensive plays in the league last year, not due to team philosophy (they've been right around average in the Lewis era) but because their OL was a trainwreck. They've improved it via both FA and the draft and I expect Mixon's raw talent to show through in Year 2. I'm fine with targeting him in the RB12-14 range. I don't want the remaining 9 at anywhere near those ADPs.

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6 hours ago, Deamon said:

Not sure I can get behind the Alshon hate.  He finished WR12 last year while playing the ENTIRE season with a torn rotator cuff.  Yet you think now that he's healthy, his WR22 ADP is too high?

Yes. Rotator cuff or not his averages were on par with his career numbers. Low volume, low catch % and TD dependent.

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6 hours ago, Deamon said:

Not sure I can get behind the Alshon hate.  He finished WR12 last year while playing the ENTIRE season with a torn rotator cuff.  Yet you think now that he's healthy, his WR22 ADP is too high?

I guess that's not ppr because he finished 20th in my leagues - which is still solid of course.

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30 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I guess that's not ppr because he finished 20th in my leagues - which is still solid of course.

Weird, is that counting week 17 in which he barely played due to resting players?  Is wr17 in ppr. 

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42 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Yes. Rotator cuff or not his averages were on par with his career numbers. Low volume, low catch % and TD dependent.

So why expect that significant of a dropoff if he was near his career numbers?

Wouldn't say his volume is low. He was the 14th most targeted wr in the nfl last year. 

With his qb (hopefully) being healthy all year, and his rotator cuff healed (which is a hard injury for wrs to play through), I'd expect his numbers too improve this year.  At the very least not drop significantly from wr 17 to 30. 

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59 minutes ago, Chaka said:

Yes. Rotator cuff or not his averages were on par with his career numbers. Low volume, low catch % and TD dependent.

He was well below career catch rate.

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5 hours ago, ZWK said:

2.10 RB Jordan Howard - doesn't catch passes.

3.12 WR Amari Cooper - he's being drafted as WR16 which matches his career best finish, and last season he was garbage.

4.11 QB Deshaun Watson - tiny sample size and coming off an injury. Give me Wilson or Brady.

5.08 WR Chris Hogan - I expect the Gronk & Edelman show to resume this year

8.06 TE Trey Burton - his bio should make him a trendy sleeper pick, but tons of people somehow think that Chicago is a great place for a TE to put up big numbers and he's the perfect talent for them so instead he's an 8th rounder.

Let's play two: 3.01 Joe Mixon, 3.09 Derrick Henry, 4.03 Jay Ajayi, 5.12 Greg Olsen, 8.10 Jordy Nelson.

Like the first 5 , but completely lost me with the 3 RBs in the let's play two. 

Mixon's talent should really excel in year with improvements on O Line... Henry is now the only power back for the Titans so his value at the end of the 3rd should be great. i also love Ajayi more than most since he's going at 4.03 , he plays on one of the best teams in NFL with a great line , I think his talent gap with the other Eagles RBs is much greater than people realize.

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10 minutes ago, Deamon said:

So why expect that significant of a dropoff if he was near his career numbers?

Wouldn't say his volume is low. He was the 14th most targeted wr in the nfl last year. 

With his qb (hopefully) being healthy all year, and his rotator cuff healed (which is a hard injury for wrs to play through), I'd expect his numbers too improve this year.  At the very least not drop significantly from wr 17 to 30. 

I will be the first to say that if he does produce at his career efficiencies of catch % and YPC he will be a reasonable value as WR22 (988 yards on 67 catches). If we call last season a wash he will be even better (69 catches for 1,034 yards). If he puts up his career best numbers we're at 72 catches & 1,154 yards.

If he plays 16 games without suffering another limiting injury.

You could convince me that two of those two outcomes are possible, but I still see enough issues with him particularly as it relates to him being a weekly injury report nightmare that I doubt he will be on any of my teams.

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10 minutes ago, matuski said:

He was well below career catch rate.

Yeah the gap was bigger than I realized. Then again his TD rate was well above his career average.

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Just now, Chaka said:

Yeah the gap was bigger than I realized. Then again his TD rate was well above his career average.

I think he'll be a lot more comfortable in the system too, and really think he takes a step forward this year. I'd be extremely surprised if he doesn't beat his wr26 ppr adp (if healthy). I do agree he's an injury risk though and if you're predicting an injury I get that ranking, but if healthy he's a lock to be top 20, if not top 15. 

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35 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Weird, is that counting week 17 in which he barely played due to resting players?  Is wr17 in ppr. 

It did but if you sort by points per game (which does count Week 17) he drops to 25th.

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

It did but if you sort by points per game (which does count Week 17) he drops to 25th.

Ya I can't get behind using week 17 in fantasy data.  It doesn't even count for 99% of leagues, not to mention the fact that they rested their starters and he barely even played that game.

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 Well, Guice was another one I had on my radar.

 The more I think about this, the more its a bad situation with Perine and Rob Kelley.

I may end up with one or the other somewhere, somehow, but as the days go by, its looking more and more like a "DO NOT DRAFT " scenario.

 

 

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I will defer to the 2018 Coach Otis All-Value Team.  Hoping it gets released before my first draft to avoid those land mines.

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I will draft anyone if the price is right but at their current ADP's my five are:

Shady McCoy- obvious suspension risk

Rashaad Penny - Chris Carson risk

Ronald Jones - Peyton Barber risk

Devin Funchess - don't trust Carolinas passing game

Jay Ajayi - too many up and down games.

 

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3 hours ago, TZMarkie said:

 

 Well, Guice was another one I had on my radar.

 The more I think about this, the more its a bad situation with Perine and Rob Kelley.

I may end up with one or the other somewhere, somehow, but as the days go by, its looking more and more like a "DO NOT DRAFT " scenario.

 

 

 TZM

I just picked up both of them at the 15/16 turn in a best ball draft. You just don't find a starting RB in that range usually. Still a risk but a very affordable one.

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On 8/6/2018 at 5:03 AM, Heisenberg23 said:

lot of owners are debating going TE early say for one of the 3 top studs

in ppr this year which combo is preferred:

Fitz and Rudolph (or) Ertz and Marvin Jones

Ertz & Jones for me all day.

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1 hour ago, beerbuff said:

I just picked up both of them at the 15/16 turn in a best ball draft. You just don't find a starting RB in that range usually. Still a risk but a very affordable one.

One of those RBs is going to get touches as it stands right now.    I would roll the dice on Kelley.  

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1 hour ago, beerbuff said:

I will draft anyone if the price is right but at their current ADP's my five are:

Shady McCoy- obvious suspension risk

Rashaad Penny - Chris Carson risk

Ronald Jones - Peyton Barber risk

Devin Funchess - don't trust Carolinas passing game

Jay Ajayi - too many up and down games.

 

This is a good list.  I disagree with Ajayi though.  I think he has a really good 2018 season.  

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On 8/5/2018 at 0:45 AM, TZMarkie said:

 

My   (Your 5 "MUST HAVES" in redraft for 2018) thread has been interesting so far, and I appreciate the responses. It will no doubt change a bit as the preseason progresses. Hopefully there are no serious injuries, but we all know there will be a few.

That thread is here ~~~~~~~~ >   https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/768303-your-5-must-haves-in-redraft-for-2018/

 

 On the flip side, this is usually even MORE IMPORTANT to (me) and most fantasy players for several reasons.  I don't want to get someone in the select few leagues I play in, only to be "burned" by said player and regret it the rest of the season. Have you ever told yourself mid season "I knew not to draft that P.O.S.~!!!, I didn't want him all preseason and said I wouldn't draft him"...?  :wall:

 

 All this aside, these are 5 of my ABSOLUTE DO NOT DRAFT players for 2018.

 

 SAQUON BARKLEY -  This is a tough one.  I hate to even say it, as it makes me a bit queasy as I absolutely LOVE the upside and potential workload. But the fact is, he is a rookie. He is currently being drafted inside the top 10. He has never had a single snap at the NFL level.  While I love the talent and upside, in my first 2-3 rounds in drafts I am looking for absolute iron-clad top end production.  Do I think I *COULD* get that from him??? Certainly. But I would more than likely figure him to be a top end RB2 with the "sky is the limit" upside, likely finishing around the top 10 mark. He could well lead the league and break records, but  personally I would rather have ANTONIO BROWN , and its not even close.

 

 ALVIN KAMARA -  Again, I get all the band wagoners. His efficiency was off the charts last season. Don't kid yourself, do you really think he is far and away the most efficient back in league history??? (If you do, go stock up on his rookie and rookie auto cards, and memorabilia) Regression is coming boys, period, end of story.  Sure, I know Ingram is sidelined for several weeks, and he may get a bit more of a workload, but the Saints have already come out and said they want to keep his workload down. (I forget the exact quote)   This is yet another case where I would likely rather have a top 2-3 WR than Kamara, and I will sleep easier because of it. 

 

 DESHAUN WATSON - This may be obvious for most of you. The fantasy community is down on drafting QBs early, and truth be known, I have ALWAYS been that way.  (I also mentioned somewhere on this board last year I didn't want AARON RODGERS for several reasons, including injury risk.) I wasn't looking to burn an early round pick, that I could focus on a top end WR or RB was the majority of that.  I watched Watson go off last season, and it was exciting , no doubt.  But its unsustainable (Read Kamara above) and many aren't paying attention that the defense should be improved, leading to less shootouts. His ADP is roughly pick 45. No thanks, I will get Luck, or someone else far later and stock up at WR or RB early  instead.

 

 KAREEM HUNT - Here is one I have not heard any expert fading, or at least not that I can remember. Look back at his 2017 stats, it was far more boom and bust than people want to admit. Everyone loves him since he went off in weeks 14-15-16, where he got three massive workloads in a row. FANTASY PLAYOFFS!!!! :excited:  He had great numbers in 3 weeks early, then to bookend the season. (1-2-3, 14-15-16) His stretch from 8 through week 13 was pretty bad, when you have to consider his massive draft capital.  Let us not forget SPENCER WARE should ultimately return. Is he going to crush the Hunt workload, no..... but all things considered I think I will stay away from this situation. There are other players far more interesting to me inside the top 10 (where he is going). Give me a stud WR any day all day there instead.

 

THE CLEVELAND BROWNS RB CAROUSEL OF DEATH - I have fallen into this trap too many times, including last year and the Isaiah Crowell "the O line is the best in the league" bull####.  I'm just not interested. I liked CARLOS HYDE  last season, and utilized him effectively in a ppr/points per touch league. I liked his Shanahan SF scenario.  But I am not keen on the Browns scattershot running attack, as it could easily be a complete cesspool of a 3 back committee.  (I argued they should have taken Barkely at #1 in the draft and QB du jour at pick 4, but after signing Hyde in the offseason, I knew that wasn't going to happen) :wall:   You think they won't use Hyde???  You think they won't use Duke Johnson???  Even if you are a believer in Nick Chubb, as I am, exactly how much work do you think he will get in this scenario, unless Hyde gets injured?     I suppose if I had a gun to my head, and had to pick one, give me Chubb very late, and see if he goes berserk or an injury occurs.  I am not trying to hit a parlay of events to get one of my running backs to be productive, so I will be steering clear of this Cleveland mess.

 

NOTE - I do want to go on record, and state in extremely close top end  RB vs.WR scenarios, I would much rather go with stud WRs, over the similar RBs, strictly because of the health risks and the fact that the RBs generally miss more time. I can load up on RBs later in drafts and get solid production once the injuries start to take place as the season chugs along.

 

 I have a few more I will post late in the thread.

 Who all are you choosing as your 5 "ABSOLUTE DO NOT DRAFT" this season in your redrafts...??

 

 TZM

I don't think Barkley being a rookie should be a huge concern given the recent success of highly drafted rookies. I see a very high floor with a very high ceiling possible. The drum beat for this kid has been getting louder and louder through college-combine-pre season. It's just hard to deny what I see with my eyes. The O-line should be improved and a healthy OBJ will be great for him. He's not quite the slam dunk that Zeke was when he came out due to Zeke's much better line but I think he potentially has a higher ceiling. 

 

On 8/5/2018 at 0:45 AM, TZMarkie said:

 

 

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On 8/5/2018 at 1:41 AM, Snorkelson said:

Derek Carr- week 15 he was scrambling and dove for the end zone late in a Sunday night game. He fumbles into the end zone, so I lost 2 pts for the lost fumble which  brought me from a win to a tie, and lost the tiebreaker, and a shot at the championship (which I would have won handily.) Never again Derek Carr!

Shady- legal worries aside, I was avoiding him before any of that stuff. 

David Johnson- if he slipped to the back end of the 1st I’d pull the trigger, but as a top 4 pick coming off an injury and with a new coaching staff I’m not feeling great about it. 

 

I think the Cardinals are gonna be a better team than people think. DJ had 12 TD's his rookie year in very limited touches. He is a superstar and will get tons of volume. 

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On 8/5/2018 at 6:54 AM, TheDirtyWord said:

I think a lot of people have jumped off the Kamara bandwagon for whatever reason.  But he’s got that backfield to himself first 4 games.  I get the concern though.  He was crazy efficient last year.

Davante Adams - 2 concussions last year.  Is the leash short?

Aaron Rodgers - Still QB1, but depth at the position is ridiculous and I wonder if with the shaky nature of his WR corps if a 2015 style letdown season isn’t in play here.

Lesean McCoy - The hammer of NFL ‘justice’ can swing at any time.  And that offense looks putrid.

Allen Robinson - I’m tapping the brakes on the Bears being an offensive juggernaut immediately.  A lot of ‘new’ to work in there.  Not everyone is McVay.

I agree with all.

I wonder if Graham might take away some TD's from Adams. I do love Adams talent though.

The year that J Nelsen was hurt early nobody was downgrading Rogers. He ended up having a down year. I'm not loving the receiving core this year. 

Too many people comparing the Bears to the Rams in regards to a big turn around. I think it's coming, probably not this year. I love their Defense. 

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17 minutes ago, Mongidig said:

I think the Cardinals are gonna be a better team than people think. DJ had 12 TD's his rookie year in very limited touches. He is a superstar and will get tons of volume. 

Also, let’s remember DJ’s injury was a wrist not a knee/lower body. He’s fresh!!

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On 8/5/2018 at 5:09 PM, TripItUp said:

players going after Gordon that I like more than Gordon.

Hunt

Fournette

Cook

Nobody is doubting that Gordon has a solid floor, it's just that the three RBs going after him have higher ceilings.

Agree on Fournette.  But I'd say Fournette and Gordon are a tier above Cook and Hunt (notwithstanding the fact that Cook has a really high ceiling by the eye test).

 

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1 hour ago, Mongidig said:

I think the Cardinals are gonna be a better team than people think. DJ had 12 TD's his rookie year in very limited touches. He is a superstar and will get tons of volume. 

Look I love DJ, but 12 tds is hard to get, and while he’s been great it’s hard to just simply pencil him in for what people expect. Maybe I’m going out of the way to take a contrarian view or it’s because I drafted him 1.02 last year in a league (I ended up winning so not really sour) but I think there’s a little more question there than most are admitting. New coaches, new qbs, new results?

eta: as it was pointed out he had an arm injury so I’ll retract that portion from my original statement. Not worried about his arm.

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1 hour ago, pantherclub said:

where is Barkley going in money 12 team redraft?

on average he usually goes 7th  Gurley, Bell, Elliot, DJ, Brown, Kamara, Barkley

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2 hours ago, Snorkelson said:

Look I love DJ, but 12 tds is hard to get, and while he’s been great it’s hard to just simply pencil him in for what people expect. Maybe I’m going out of the way to take a contrarian view or it’s because I drafted him 1.02 last year in a league (I ended up winning so not really sour) but I think there’s a little more question there than most are admitting. New coaches, new qbs, new results?

eta: as it was pointed out he had an arm injury so I’ll retract that portion from my original statement. Not worried about his arm.

The 12 TD's was a year before he scored 20 TD's. Just showing he has the knack for the end zone. I wouldn't expect 20 this year but I wouldn't be shocked with 15. No matter what he will be one of the few true workhorses in the league. 

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On 8/5/2018 at 10:22 AM, Dr. Octopus said:

Also the probable loss of efficiency can be overcome by an increase in volume. Now he’s sure to get that during Weeks 1-4, but I think it was inevitable anyway.

Admittedly there are safer options in Round 1, and with pick 4 I won’t have to make a decision on him - but I’m not automatically assuming that when he goes off the board at 5-7 his new owners made some kind of mistake.

I don't know if he will get more volume than he got at the end of last season, but he will certainly get more volume than his first month of last season when they still had AP.

I think the efficiency will regress, but offset by his increased volume in the first month compared to the first month of last season to give similar production as last year as long as he doesn't get hurt - that's not projecting an increase in the first quarter of 18 versus his avg after the first month of 17.

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On 8/5/2018 at 8:04 PM, Keith1 said:

Actually, I am targeting Big Ben this year. I think the window is closing and the Steelers know it. This is their year to get to the AFC finals. Haley is gone and replaced by the QB coach, which I think will only help Ben. I read somewhere (and I apologize if I am wrong) that the number 1 QB in fantasy last year from week 10 on was Big Ben. Reports are he is in better shape this year than he has been in a long time and I really think that Ben (paired with either Alex Smith or Mariota) will be a solid QB1 this year. 

 

P.S. Everyone talks about Ben not being able to win on the road, but, in 2016 Pittsburgh finished 11-5, and Ben only lost 3 away games and won 4 away games.In 2017 they finished 13-3. Ben only lost 1 away game and won 7. Pretty sure only Tom Brady has a better away win record last two years.

I've never been a huge Big Ben fan. I always thought he was a better QB than fantasy QB. However, he had a hell of a second half last year and he seems motivated and with a chip on his shoulder after Pitt drafted a QB. I think he will have a good year.

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11 hours ago, TZMarkie said:

 

 Well, Guice was another one I had on my radar.

 The more I think about this, the more its a bad situation with Perine and Rob Kelley.

I may end up with one or the other somewhere, somehow, but as the days go by, its looking more and more like a "DO NOT DRAFT " scenario.

 

 

 TZM

One player I want no part of is Chris Thompson.  I just don't believe he's durable enough to contribute more than a handful of games. Addin that he's not expected to be 100% to start the season and I'm fading HARD.  I see FBG bumped him up their rankings with Guice going down, but I don't see it.  Really don't want any part of that team.  

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37 minutes ago, Aunt Jemima said:

on average he usually goes 7th  Gurley, Bell, Elliot, DJ, Brown, Kamara, Barkley

that feels about right

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1 hour ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

Not a real draft of course, but using the Draft Dominator App, Barkley has fallen to me at pick 2.3 numerous times.

That doesn't feel right.   By the way this board was reacting I was thinking he was going top 5.   

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2 hours ago, Mongidig said:

The 12 TD's was a year before he scored 20 TD's. Just showing he has the knack for the end zone. I wouldn't expect 20 this year but I wouldn't be shocked with 15. No matter what he will be one of the few true workhorses in the league. 

The Cardinals may have trouble scoring 15 TDs all season (yes hyperbole). On paper they look to have, perhaps the worst offensive line in the league. Rookie QB at some point probably sooner rather than later, not gonna be much room for Johnson to work.

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