identikit
Footballguy
Perhaps it was a bit too soon?
Her need to push her agenda oftentimes gets in the way of decency and/or actual facts (Jussie Smollett, for example).
IMO.
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Her need to push her agenda oftentimes gets in the way of decency and/or actual facts (Jussie Smollett, for example).
IMO.
jonessed
Footballguy
That offering thoughts and prayers after a mass shooting in a house of worship is bad?
Alright. You are free to agree with whomever you please. It seems like a tone deaf comment when coming out hours after a shooting where the victims were literally praying.
But this is in New Zealand. Their gun laws are fairly restrictive. She claims to be against dehumanizing people, but she does it to rich people, corporate leaders, political opponents. Her point is terribly misplaced as it often is.
timschochet
Footballguy
Someone on the news just stated that it is fairly easy to purchase guns in New Zealand. So I don’t know if this is true or not.
All guns are registered. They do background checks for mental illness, criminal records, drug use. Guns are tiered into different classification levels, and certain people can only buy certain guns. It may be easy to get a gun, but it is fairly restrictive.
timschochet
Footballguy
Most of what you wrote is correct, but according to this they are not registered:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand
The Commish
Footballguy
You know exactly what she's talking about. It happens with EVERY single shooting event in this country. GOP politicians remain silent other than to offer "thoughts and prayers" over and over on their social media outlets. If we're lucky we get a "It's too soon to talk about the politics, let the victims mourn. Our thoughts and prayers go out to all of you" sort of bull#### message.
The Commish
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
That the offering of thoughts and prayers is generally hollow and a means to stifle discussion.
As it often gets said as “now isn’t a time for debate it’s a time for thoughts and prayers”.
timschochet
Footballguy
In any case AOC’s argument is that, in this country, conservatives respond to calls for gun control after mass shootings by saying that “now is not the time to discuss it, now is the time to offer prayers.”
Putting aside the merits of whatever she might be proposing (that’s a separate issue) I think she makes a good point.
ETA- looks like Commish and Sho Nuff just explained it much better than I did.
Putting aside the merits of whatever she might be proposing (that’s a separate issue) I think she makes a good point.
ETA- looks like Commish and Sho Nuff just explained it much better than I did.
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jonessed
Footballguy
I thought so, but apparently others see it differently. She specifically pointed only shootings at houses of worship and then mocked prayer. Pretty crappy thing to do.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Maybe they don't see every tragedy as an opportunity to take away freedoms or score political points.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The bolded continues to just not be true.
I thought so, but apparently others see it differently. She specifically pointed only shootings at houses of worship and then mocked prayer. Pretty crappy thing to do.
pantherclub
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Id say about any rational person can read her whole statement where she explains clearly what she meant by it?
The Commish
Footballguy
maybe
Is this new shtick you are trying out? You know...where you quote people but your response has nothing to do with what you quoted?
pantherclub
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Its right there...Ive read it...its pretty darn clear what she was doing.
That isn't mocking prayer...its mocking the sentiment and tactic used by the NRA and others to stifle discussion.
Witz
Footballguy
Or it could be, you know, folks offering their thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families.
Most people don’t have an agenda when it comes to this ####.
jonessed
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Again...which is why she made it clear she was talking about when its used for deflection...as multiple have now stated in here, the times its used as "now is not the time to talk policy but a time for thoughts and prayers".
Thousand Oaks parents saying the same sentiment.
Parkland doing the same...
And an article on the topic...
Witz
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
She has a disproportionately large social media presence. Sometimes it works to her favor. Sometimes it doesn't.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because it has often been a very hollow sentiment. As the third article discusses. Just a throw away thing to say while doing absolutely nothing.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I can agree the timing isn't great. Ive stated she needs to slow down some before tweeting. But that doesn't make her statement mocking prayer as you claimed.Hours after a mass shooting in New Zealand. Makes perfect sense.
The Commish
Footballguy
If the above is true then the below is simply fishing
I thought so, but apparently others see it differently. She specifically pointed only shootings at houses of worship and then mocked prayer. Pretty crappy thing to do.
Witz
Footballguy
Bull#### - it’s what most compassiate people say to others when someone has experienced a tragedy or loss in their lives.
It has ZERO to do with stifling discussion
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jonessed
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
I’ve posted articles backing up my point and it’s also been discussed on this board before. I think there is a valid point in what she is saying.
The Commish
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
I agree with part of this and disagree with another part. It's true that it's something compassionate people say, however, for politicians they make it hollow when there is no action to back it up. I agree that the phrase isn't about stifling discussion by itself, however, the phrase is often times grouped with the "this isn't the time to be bringing up the politics of gun control" sentiment which is absolutely all about stifling discussion. With the GOP it's never a good time to be talking about gun control.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Twitter does have a way of making people look stupid. Just hate to see Cortez follow Trump down the knee jerk Twitter path. After 6 months of Trumps tweets it was hard to take him seriously. Cortez has only been in congress a couple of months and already she has misspoken so many times her future credibility will be in question soon.
It does something for the person offering the prayer. It probably has some of the same benefits as meditation.
It doesn’t do anything to stop other people from shooting each other.
It is therefore not a good substitute for sensible gun-control legislation.
The problem isn’t prayer. The problem is using prayer as a substitute for actually doing something productive — which is how certain politicians have seemed to use it, and which is what AOC was criticizing.
jonessed
Footballguy
I don’t believe most people that pray feel their prayers are simply a form of self meditation.
The Commish
Footballguy
Yep, that is the one. I know we have different views on monetary policy, but Cramer calling for the Fed to cut the rates a year before the Lehman collapse really stands out. Money was too tight in late 2007 and the recession started that December.Sand said:
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Dickies
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
No, she doesn't. These are just narratives you seem very desperate to spin. Meanwhile, nary a criticism from you for that very same behavior from Republicans. You're as partisan as it gets - consistently.
Dickies
Footballguy
You mean like the NRA holding rallies where mass shootings happened immediately in the aftermath to score political points and seemingly celebrate that people permanently lost all of their freedom so that we can maintain the convenience of a hobby?
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Dickies
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
Perhaps she missed the part about a legal gun owner at the second mosque utilizing his weapon and chasing away two bad guys, saving multiple lives? I'm sure she will never mention that gentleman.
Dickies
Footballguy
Spare me the bull#### about people losing their freedom to have guns when people are losing their freedom in cold blood
timschochet
Footballguy
That’s a legitimate argument as well.
pantherclub was suggesting that she should just shut up. I think it’s quite proper for her to offer her political views, and then people can discuss them.
pantherclub
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
There is a time and a place for her to spew her nonsense, hours after the attack aint it.
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