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But, at the least, California is right back in the race with the NY MTA in the race piss away as many billions as possible.High speed rail is a bad idea. That’s why we stopped it in California.
But, at the least, California is right back in the race with the NY MTA in the race piss away as many billions as possible.High speed rail is a bad idea. That’s why we stopped it in California.
Since Trump has done nothing but undermine the ACA, we are now 2+ years into TrumpCare. This admin is responsible for the current state of healthcare in America. But yes, I do hope the new and improved TrumpCare lives up to his hype. Disappointed he's delaying it until after the 2020 election. Not sure what that says about his confidence in his plan though.Same here. Hopefully the teased OCare replacement will not be smoke and mirrors. OCare was and I, sadly, have no doubt TCare will be, as well.
Posted with your wrong user name.and you can take that to the bank my brohans!
As much as the blue team wants this to be true it just isn't. There is a huge thread on this. The economics of what OCare instituted could have been more cheaply implemented by simply paying outright for the additional people on the rolls. That's just how bad the system put in place is.Since Trump has done nothing but undermine the ACA, we are now 2+ years into TrumpCare. This admin is responsible for the current state of healthcare in America. But yes, I do hope the new and improved TrumpCare lives up to his hype. Disappointed he's delaying it until after the 2020 election. Not sure what that says about his confidence in his plan though.
The GOP controlled the entire government for 2 years and did nothing to improve healthcare. The GOP owns the current state. You may not like it, but they've failed to "repeal and replace" and have nothing to offer. Nine years of complaining about the ACA and still have no viable option. Its on the GOP right now.As much as the blue team wants this to be true it just isn't. There is a huge thread on this. The economics of what OCare instituted could have been more cheaply implemented by simply paying outright for the additional people on the rolls. That's just how bad the system put in place is.
The current administration has taken steps to make healthcare even worse. They own the current version of what we have. That’s why it is true. Because of their actions.As much as the blue team wants this to be true it just isn't. There is a huge thread on this. The economics of what OCare instituted could have been more cheaply implemented by simply paying outright for the additional people on the rolls. That's just how bad the system put in place is.
Exactly. The ACA wasn't perfect but the Trump admin has made it their goal to make it worse by underfunding and now trying to have the courts completely dismantle it without any replacement. And the fact that Trump won't do anything about it for AT LEAST another year and a half is ridiculous. That's Trump's plan.The current administration has taken steps to make healthcare even worse. They own the current version of what we have. That’s why it is true. Because of their actions.As much as the blue team wants this to be true it just isn't. There is a huge thread on this. The economics of what OCare instituted could have been more cheaply implemented by simply paying outright for the additional people on the rolls. That's just how bad the system put in place is.
Sorry, the official rule for placing matters squarely on the plate of the party in control of the Whitehouse is after 28 full months in charge. You are a few weeks premature. Did you not get the memo?The GOP controlled the entire government for 2 years and did nothing to improve healthcare. The GOP owns the current state. You may not like it, but they've failed to "repeal and replace" and have nothing to offer. Nine years of complaining about the ACA and still have no viable option. Its on the GOP right now.
A good read. The cost curve is bending now. We all know what the ACA premium and deductible cost curve looked like - a steep slope up.The current administration has taken steps to make healthcare even worse. They own the current version of what we have. That’s why it is true. Because of their actions.
:(Sorry, the official rule for placing matters squarely on the plate of the party n control of the Whitehouse is after 28 full months. You are a few weeks premature. Did you not get the memo?
This is the good news?A good read. The cost curve is bending now. We all know what the ACA premium and deductible cost curve looked like - a steep slope up.
You can't possibly know a cost until you know what is actually going to be done.Actually, the $93 Trillion figure is way too low for what she is proposing.
This is the structure that was built into the plan at inception.This is the good news?
Health & Human Services Secretary Alex Azar recently announced that premiums for a benchmark Affordable Care Act 2019 plan on the federal exchange will drop 2 percent nationally compared with 2018 premiums — the first reduction since the law's implementation.
While this is encouraging news, it is no cause for a major celebration. When Obamacare's exchanges open for business in just a few weeks, on Nov. 1, many consumers will still find exchange plans unaffordable. Rates will soar by double digitsin many states. Despite the slight decline in the national average premium, the typical 2019 plan sold through the HealthCare.gov exchange will still likely cost more than twice as much as the average individual market plan in 2013, the year before most Obamacare provisions went into effect.
And yet when we get into full 2020 campaign mode, Trump will still have done nothing but make our insurance worse. The Dems are going to campaign on UHC and the GOP will have nothing to offer in contrast other than "believe me, its going to be great". Voters are going to see that he's done nothing in 4 years. The ACA is in worse shape now than when Trump took office, and the Dems will pounce on that.This is the structure that was built into the plan at inception.
It's a feature, not a bug.
Implications for marriage?You can't possibly know a cost until you know what is actually going to be done.
This is very true. Don't confuse that with OCare now suddenly morphing into TCare, though.Trump inherited a problem, campaigned on fixing it, and has made it worse with no alternative in sight. That's what Trump owns.
All we know is what she says. One thing she seems to plan/desire is to replace airplanes with high speed trains. We know how expensive those things can be from the California experience. If it is just an empty promise like saying "I want world peace", it is a pretty condeming to your opinion of AOC.You can't possibly know a cost until you know what is actually going to be done.
Oh good Lord, this again?All we know is what she says. One thing she seems to plan/desire is to replace airplanes with high speed trains. We know how expensive those things can be from the California experience. If it is just an empty promise like saying "I want world peace", it is a pretty condeming to your opinion of AOC.
This is true. Just think of how long it will take for the the permits to remodel every building in the US. Much of those will run past the 12 years we have left, so I'm laying bets on "less".You can't possibly know a cost until you know what is actually going to be done.
Well see again there's obviously no way we're going to be able to remodel every building but retrofit yeah I think we can do some of that . Certainly there are a great many things we could do in a great many buildings that wouldn't require a lengthy permitting process and would save many many tons of carbon. This is why I keep saying we are going to have to wait to see what we can get through Congress and the Senate and whoever is president and how big those plans will be we probably will not be renovating every building in America.This is true. Just think of how long it will take for the the permits to remodel every building in the US. Much of those will run past the 12 years we have left, so I'm laying bets on "less".
AOC: "build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary"Oh good Lord, this again?
Nobody wants to rehash...it’s all over this thread the discussion on this topic.AOC: "build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary"
ME: "she seems to plan/desire is to replace airplanes with high speed trains."
Exactly which word do you object too? Seems like a very fair characterization of her position.
Oh yeah? You know else has old, stale and predictable ideas? Trump !AOC disappoints me because, while her persona is young and fresh and new, all of her ideas so far are rather old, stale, and predictable.
Rehash? I want you to explain it because my wording was more than fair. If you seriously object to that, i don't know what to say.Nobody wants to rehash...it’s all over this thread the discussion on this topic.
I'm with jon here. What he said is fine and an accurate paraphrase of what AOC said. The problem is when people say she proposed eliminating air travel entirely, which she didn't.AOC: "build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary"
ME: "she seems to plan/desire is to replace airplanes with high speed trains."
Exactly which word do you object too? Seems like a very fair characterization of her position.
Yes rehash...as in this same conversation was had with another poster last night.Rehash? I want you to explain it because my wording was more than fair. If you seriously object to that, i don't know what to say.
This may be the only negative adjective I''ve never used to describe Trump.Oh yeah? You know else has old, stale and predictable ideas? Trump !
Yes I know.Oh yeah? You know else has old, stale and predictable ideas? Trump !
His ideas are very predictable. In his case, they were pretty much all created by Norman Lear.This may be the only negative adjective I''ve never used to describe Trump.
Is there anyone besides me who is sick to death of arguments like this?As much as the blue team wants this to be true it just isn't. There is a huge thread on this. The economics of what OCare instituted could have been more cheaply implemented by simply paying outright for the additional people on the rolls. That's just how bad the system put in place is.
The Republicans got nothing because Obama used their plan.Is there anyone besides me who is sick to death of arguments like this?
i don’t ####### CARE who’s to blame for our healthcare woes. The question is: what should we do now? The Democrats appear to be debating several solutions, we’ll see which one is the most viable. The Republicans have offered nothing. In the 9 years since Obamacare passed the Republicans have offered no viable alternative. This fact alone makes me want to vote Democrat.
Why have you declared war on pizza???I'm with jon here. What he said is fine and an accurate paraphrase of what AOC said. The problem is when people say she proposed eliminating air travel entirely, which she didn't.
If I want to stock my kitchen to the point that ordering delivery food "stops becoming necessary," it means I want to replace the meals I'm currently getting through delivery out of necessity with home cooked meals when possible. It doesn't mean I want to eliminate the existence of a delivery option completely.
Really I think the Republicans have nothing because they oppose taking money from richer and healthier people to pay for the care of sicker and poorer people. And there's no way to make substantial fixes to the system without doing that.The Republicans got nothing because Obama used their plan.
I thought about going with a starting pitching/bullpen analogy but that one was even worse.Why have you declared war on pizza???
So like Mr. Hand putting Jeff Spicolli's words on the board, you want to leave this here for all your classes to enjoy, giving her full credit of course.AOC put a lot of specific details on what she wants to accomplish with her New Green Deal. I am not sure what is wrong with evaluating it and assigning a rough cost too. She also specifically states she wants credit for all this.
Why have you declared war on the cubs????I thought about going with a starting pitching/bullpen analogy but that one was even worse.
They seemed so much more humorous, and therefore palatable, 45 years ago coming from Archie Bunker.His ideas are very predictable. In his case, they were pretty much all created by Norman Lear.
I'm [pretty wiling to give NYC back to the sea. BTW, how high above sea level is Boston?So for all the accountants figuring out how much the green New Deal will cost have you figured out how much not doing things in an expeditious manner is going to cost? It's estimated that climate change has already cost the u.s. nearly 400 billion dollars in the last 10 years it's further estimated that climate change will reduce GDP by at least 10% in the coming years for those at home right now with today's GDP that somewhere in the neighborhood of almost 2 trillion dollars per year so add the increased costs because we have to keep cleaning up after storms sure seems like this whole we don't want to spend any money thing isn't going to work out for us one way or the other. And by the way how much is Miami worth to you or New Orleans or New York City how much do they cities worth when ocean levels rise and they find themselves engulfed in floods if not completely flooded how much do you think that's going to cost? How much do you think it's going to cost the US when the breadbasket moves into Canada? How much do you think these major floods in the midwest that have completely destroyed the corn crop how much do you think that's going to cost us as consumers and as a country?
If you ask me you guys need to be doing a lot of new calculations.
Fairly high in spots but a lot of the high end neighborhoods have been built on man made land. That's probably gone.I'm [pretty wiling to give NYC back to the sea. BTW, how high above sea level is Boston?
Except that the budgetary impact of single payer isn't the cost of single payer. The cost (gross cost) is the net difference between the NHE if we do nothing and the NHE under Medicare for All plus any transitional costs not already counted. The $36 trillion being added to the federal budget is mostly cost that are going to tax our economy either way.Heck, just the costs associated with universal health care have been deliberately crafted to be way too low. The number quoted is the "lower bound" using several unrealistic assumptions - the real number is probably 1.5-2x higher.
Thank you. Someone who recognizes something is there, but it's not all that it's being cracked up to be. She's neither the complete dolt one side is portraying as nor the future star the other side is propping her up as. She's simply great at social media and keeping her name in the news.AOC disappoints me because, while her persona is young and fresh and new, all of her ideas so far are rather old, stale, and predictable. Given her widespread popularity she has the chance to be an innovator, but she’s simply repeating stuff that is pretty pat even for a progressive.
If we could somehow transplant Andrew Yang’s brain into AOC, then we’d have something.
This is so 40-50 pages ago. Next thing you're going to tell us all is that FOX and the right are scared of her.Dude she's been mentioned like 1700 times already on Fox. I didn't make that up someone counted . They've made whole days about her. From day one.
It is kind of silly she drags in so many different agendas under the umbrella of the green new deal. The discussion of greenhouse emissions is huge enough without adding fair employment practices, unions, education, and health care. The worst part of her proposal is she wants to shut down nuclear plants just because she does not like them, disregarding the fact those are by far our biggest source of green power.Except that the budgetary impact of single payer isn't the cost of single payer. The cost (gross cost) is the net difference between the NHE if we do nothing and the NHE under Medicare for All plus any transitional costs not already counted. The $36 trillion being added to the federal budget is mostly cost that are going to tax our economy either way.
No...since you are “new”...probably best if you read it all.Could you explain please? I really don't want to read over 120+ pages looking for it.
Sweet. I got to give a newbie their first like.No...since you are “new”...probably best if you read it all.