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fatguyinalittlecoat
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I believe private prisons do a fair amount of lobbying and make substantial campaign contributions.supermike80 said:
supermike80
Footballguy
And how does that keep people in prison longer. Are you saying private prisons have an affect on sentencing? Parole?
With as many incarcerated prisons we have now, and the overcrowding that you hear about everyday, what is the incentive actually to keep people longer? Rather than just flippign them for new ones?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
In state systems with elected judges, yes I think private prisons create an incentive for longer sentences.
In the federal system I don’t think private prisons influence judges but they do influence legislators. Mandatory minimum laws, for example, are the type of issue that private prisons are likely to support with campaign contributions.
supermike80
Footballguy
Nope..Unless this can be backed up. I'm gonna say I don't believe this. Not saying it isn't true, but I need some kind of evidence to back that claim up.
I believe this is correct, but I believe that public prison guard unions do even more lobbying (for the same types of policies), so this is a problem with the prison-industrial complex in general, not private prisons specifically.
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Sheriff Bart
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You may notice that most of these people have something in common
Bottomfeeder Sports
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She supports the Green New Deal which created a lot of discussion points a year or so ago about the sections that covers displaced workers with health care, minimum incomes, and guaranteed jobs.Quint said:
dawgtrails
Footballguy
And it has been mentioned upthread, but keeping correctional officers employed is a really terrible reason for incarceration. Perhaps we should not seek cures for cancer because we need to keep oncologists employed
Gawain
Footballguy
beef
Footballguy
That's really not that much. AOC must go to an main stream american salon. My wife has spent more for a haircut and h/l-lights.
I kind of liked her comeback on twitter:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC
Won’t you look at that: Mike Pence used *taxpayer funds* - not personal ones - to spend several thousand haircuts’ worth of public money on a visit to Trump golf courses.
I wonder if Republicans care about corruption as much as they care about a woman’s cut & color.
Citizens for Ethics @CREWcrew · Oct 7
$600,000.
That's how much Mike Pence billed taxpayers for his detour to a Trump golf course.
And that's just for the limos.
https://citizensforethics.org/mike-pence-doonbeg-cost-nearly-600k/
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
She got a haircut though! And paid money for it!
Stuart_Little
Footballguy
I don't get it. Are you saying she's irrelevant because she's no longer the voice of the progressive movement, or maybe that the progressive movement itself is no longer relevant?
Both? Neither?
I ask because the idea that she's no longer relevant for whatever reason doesn't jive with my experience at all. I don't have the slightest bit of interest in the constant twitter spats, but it's impossible to follow politics and not be constantly inundated with the latest "news" about her, especially if you follow conservative sources or the President himself.
Luckily, I seem to have missed whatever "without her puppet master feeding her material and promoting her" is referring to. Did she piss off George Soros or something?
parasaurolophus
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She was whining while in a congressional hearing about her student loans.Grace Under Pressure said:
To then spend 250+ on your hair is really dumb. I know you know this.
No, I meant her literal puppet master Saikat Chakrabarti. He auditioned AOC to run. He raised all her money. He told her what to say and what issues to promote. He authored the New Green Deal. He promoted her and got her access to all the progressive media. But then he pissed off Pelosi and Pelosi had a Pow Wow with AOC which lead to Saikat leaving her campaign a while back. Now AOC lacks much direction and has a lot less bite. She is more delegated to just saying dumb stuff which is irrelevant. Sure Fox still makes fun of her and she is still famous, but she will not be driving the progressive agenda like Saikat was using her for.Stuart_Little said:
badmojo1006
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Of course, call it pathetic, that is how the cesspool responds. But every word is true. There has never been more of a puppet master in history of American politics than Saikat. His whole plan which he was quite open about, was to create as many of these progressive clone candidates as possible to run in every district to enact his progressive agenda using his cookie cutter system. That is not a crazy theory, that is his stated plan. He would recruit them, give them a all the issues to run on, and obtain all the necessary finances for them, put together their oganization and get them on the ballot. There might have been bits and pieces of this done before, but never anywhere even remotely to this extent. If this isn't a puppet, then nothing is.
Ironically, that is Saikat's plan, to cut and paste his clone puppet candidates using his system in every district possible.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
This is all made up. It’s not worth engaging you on this because when I’ve tried in the past you don’t seem to do so in good faith, so carry on with your nonsense. I just wanted to make sure any impressionable youngsters reading this thread aren’t taken in by your narrative.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
BNC is a post-partisan federal political action committee supporting Democrats, Republicans and Independents who push for progressive legislation such as Medicare for All, $15 minimum wage, clean energy initiatives, tuition-free education, abolition of ICE and others. All BNC candidates have taken a pledge to refuse corporate PAC dollars.
Lol @ jon made it up.
Brand New Congress recruited Rep. Ocasio-Cortez to run for Congress back in 2017. She was one of 32 BNC candidates who ran in the 2018 elections
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fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
OK there actually is a PAC you got me.
Now provide support for:
"There has never been more of a puppet master in history of American politics than Saikat."
or
"There might have been bits and pieces of this done before, but never anywhere even remotely to this extent."
Ditkaless Wonders
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I'm not seeing $250 worth of results. Still, her money, her style, her choice. If she's happy with the results and finds worth in it, more power to her.Gawain said:
Those are characterizations of all the facts I outlined. Can you name a PAC which did all of the following?
1. Reviewed 10's of thousands of applicants to find a few select candidates
2. Picked candidates based on willingness to accept their agenda, charisma, race, and gender
3. Provided the organization which would raise all their funds
4. Crafted a massive plan which would restructure our entire economy.
5. Recruited their staff and became their campaign manager.
6. Provided them access to major media coverage.
Those are all documented facts, not "That is all made up" as you falsely claimed before degrading me personally. I have never heard of an organization which did all that for a candidate. If you have knowledge of such, please provide it without all your FAKE NEWS trumponian rhetoric.
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Ditkaless Wonders
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Stupid story. But points out how irrelevant she is becoming. She used to get attention from all the wild proposals and far-left progressive positions she would tweet. Lately it has been just personal jibes and now sort of expensive hair styles.
And you won't acknowledge how unusal it is. There is a reason Pelosi had AOC remove Saikat as her campaign manager. He is a political threat to Democrats, not 'just a PAC.'
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Similar concept (also from the progressive left side), but they train candidates to do their own thing. Saikat's principle is to provide all the infrastructure and do all the background work and have the candidate be the face of his movement. To my knowledge, this had never been done before.
Pelosi instigated Saikat resigning as AOC campaign chair.
'Do not tweet': Pelosi scolds progressives in closed-door meeting
A week later Saikat was off of AOC's staff.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
I can’t believe I’m getting sucked into this again. Last post.
But if this great Svengali-like character’s entire objective is to elect AOC clones all over the country, why in the world would you expect him to be AOC’s chief of staff forever? It doesn’t even seem like your fairy tale is consistent.
But if this great Svengali-like character’s entire objective is to elect AOC clones all over the country, why in the world would you expect him to be AOC’s chief of staff forever? It doesn’t even seem like your fairy tale is consistent.
IvanKaramazov
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This is you calling the right play in the huddle. Over the next series of posts, you audibled into the wrong play at the LOS.
timschochet
Footballguy
I know very little about Saikat, but having studied American political history for some time, I very much doubt the validity of this statement.
I did not, but AOC was very effective at getting national attention to his agenda, so the particular timing to the Pelosi meeting was quite notable. You keep calling these 'fairy tale", but yet i provide reliable sources for each thing I post:. The only part which is a fantasy is getting an honest discussion here without all the ####### nonsense.
Washington Post:
timschochet
Footballguy
Is Saikat supposed to be the new Saul Alinsky?
Well obviously from all your studies you can point me to a few examples of candidates who had to do nothing except to be the face of someone else's agenda. Being recruited to run through a massive campaign. All fundraising done for you. No creating organizations, having your campaign completely staffed. Being spoon-feed agendas. Where did all this happen before? Granted, pieces of all these have been done, but never the complete package and to this extent.
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It has the potential to be a paradigm shift in how to run political parties and advance agendas. It is the most top-down approach imaginable, which ironically some are claiming as grass roots. Saikat will fail because his agenda is too far-fetched to sell to America, but his tactics are interesting.
timschochet
Footballguy
Assuming all of your information is correct (and I have no idea, but having listened plenty to AOC I rather doubt it), I’d still have to take issue given that a Congresswoman, or even more than one, is a relatively low position compared to a Senator or President or Governor.
Tim, AOC is a sharp individual and can quickly think on her feet. But the stuff AOC says in public and tweets is stuff the Saikat has tweeted before or has stated in the progressive media. AOC played zero role in crafting her Green New Deal. The ideas she promotes came from Saikat. She is not a Senator or a President, no doubt. But she did for many months dominate media coverage and drive national discussions on issues. That is power. AOC is an interesting person and how Saikat made her is potentially revolutionary.
Summer Wheat
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