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parasaurolophus
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I would still be against the rhetoric. Nothing takes place in a vacuum. Making environmental damage into a rich vs poor thing or black vs white thing is a foolish endeavor. Everybody at every level makes decisions to disregard sound advice or to selfishly damage the environment for their own benefit.Juxtatarot said:
It is like when the reports come out blaming certain industry segments for X% of greenhouse gases. As if those industries aren't relied upon and used every day by the american public all across the country. If we didn't fill up our cars, they couldn't blame Exxon.
You bring up Katrina, but how on earth can a determination be made regarding such a topic? We know that tons of those areas have gone down in population by large %'s. People moved away. So were they forced to live in those areas? Many would argue that the system was set up against them so they had no choice. Many would argue it was in fact their choice. Many would say that it was too little government funding kept them in those areas. Many would argue that without wealthy people paying taxes that government funding wouldn't even exist. I could go on and on naming silly back and forth arguments that shouldn't be brought up when it comes to climate change.
Everybody does stupid stuff to the environment. From the ceo of a big company to the 12$/hr worker that forgot to close a valve. From the rich guy in malibu in his gas guzzling yacht to the poor guy that was driving through and flicked a cigarette out the window. From the manufacturer of a chemical to the person that dumps the last bit down the drain when they are done using it. From the manufacturer of bottled water to the driver distributing it to the person drinking it.
John Blutarsky
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AOC backs anti-cop protesters who jumped subway turnstiles in New York
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-backs-anti-cop-protesters-who-jumped-subway-turnstiles-in-new-york
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-backs-anti-cop-protesters-who-jumped-subway-turnstiles-in-new-york
parasaurolophus
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timschochet
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The bolded would imply that she doesn't believe what she is saying here. Is that your opinion?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
From reading a few minutes on this, I get the impression that she's backing the purposes of the protest (a crackdown on fare evasion and allegations of police brutality), not the anti-cop rhetoric.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Correct. I dont think she thinks people should be able to just hop the turnstiles whenever they want. If she truly was concerned about these riders she would have probably done some outreach to her twitter followers to let them know about the very underpublicized half fare cards that are available instead of advocating for stealing.
Wonder if she would have just let people run away with free fish tacos at her last job.
timschochet
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That's not the same thing though. The real question here is if she is in favor of people disrupting what is ordinarily acceptable behavior in order to protest what they regard as wrongdoing. I would suggest that, based on her history of arguments, the people she admires, and the history of the progressive movement in this country, she is.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Nope. The real question is if she is in favor of people jumping turnstiles in new york.
"Arresting people who can’t afford a $2.75 fare makes no one safer and destabilizes our community."
In the video, protesters are shown helping each other jump turnstiles without paying the fare
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That is nice of you to assume. But by putting out statements which are generally supportive of the anti-police demonstrations, AOC appears to be condoning the vandalism against police cars and the ugly rhetoric.
Koya
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I think there is a lot more nuance to it.
Im no AOC fan (at ALL), but one can suggest that ruining a life over a petty crime, especially considering how far worse (white collar) crimes go nearly if not totally unpunished, is not in society’s interests.
Having an economy where some may not be able to afford even mass transit to get to employment is not in society's interest (yes, I recognize this is a small subset of those who might jump - but we are taking layers of nuance).
I don’t see AOC blanket supporting the jumping of turnstyles unless I’m missing something that she said.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Saying it is more nuanced than that but then typing the bold is strange. It is a $100 fine.
Juxtatarot
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Koya
Footballguy
That’s a more than fair point (and I didn’t realize it was that low).
Of course, there is legitimate fear that during the course of an arrest things go wrong, which as I understand it was part of the protest (police brutality). Unless I am mixing up threads.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
That actually makes her tweet even worse since that isnt a case of fare evasion because he couldnt afford it. That was fare evasion because he jumped over the turnstile while cops were chasing him.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I missed the part about the cops chasing the guy but I’ll take your word for it.
Anyway, I think the issue stems from a distrust of police. There is concern that having cops stationed to bust people for fare evasion can lead to situations that get out of control — like an Eric Gardner situation or, perhaps, what some people perceived happened in that video. There is concern that terrible events could occur over a minor infraction — perhaps even one that could have occurred due to a financial necessity.
It’s a complex situation. I don’t really have much of an opinion on it overall. I just don’t think the initial criticism of AOC backing “anti-cop” protestors is fair. It’s possible posters might define “anti-cop” differently than I do, however.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
If you click on the hyperlinked "viral" in the article you posted that takes you to the twitter thread of the video. The guy that posted the video also tweeted about nbc new yorks story on it, thanking them for covering it.
In that article it states that he was approached outside the subway because it was reported he had a gun(turned out he didnt when they caught him). He ran. They chased him. He jumped a turnstyle and ran into the platform area and onto a train in an effort to escape police capture.
squistion
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC 5h5 hours ago
It’s only when we talk about acting on climate do some ask,“how are you going to pay for it?”
As though climate inaction doesn’t have a price tag.
As though the Midwest didn’t flood.
As though California isn’t on fire.
As though 1000s didn’t die in María.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1193273344138891264
It’s only when we talk about acting on climate do some ask,“how are you going to pay for it?”
As though climate inaction doesn’t have a price tag.
As though the Midwest didn’t flood.
As though California isn’t on fire.
As though 1000s didn’t die in María.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1193273344138891264
ren hoek
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Another AOC success story...
Back in April, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ludicrous Green New Deal inspired a group of New York City construction workers to unionize, becoming one of the first unions in the solar power industry. It didn’t last long, though.
On Monday, the union’s employer, Bright Power, decided to fire the whole staff and replace them with subcontractors. All this happened while the union was trying to negotiate for their first contract, too.
Back in April, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ludicrous Green New Deal inspired a group of New York City construction workers to unionize, becoming one of the first unions in the solar power industry. It didn’t last long, though.
On Monday, the union’s employer, Bright Power, decided to fire the whole staff and replace them with subcontractors. All this happened while the union was trying to negotiate for their first contract, too.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Some workers try to unionize and a company fires them all and the bad guy in the story is ... AOC. Makes perfect sense.
Well she was just the figure head for the New Green Deal, so the credit should go towards Saikat? The funny thing is, if this was an AOC inspired success story, she would be wrapping herself with praise and credit and of course a photo-OP.
Mile High
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As someone who has worked in the constitution field most of my life, my experience is when a company wants subcontractors instead of employees is because they dont want to pay workers comp insurance.
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fatguyinalittlecoat
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Juxtatarot
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Ditkaless Wonders
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I open it in the hopes that maybe she was video'd doing another sexy dance, like her time at B.C., but so far no luck.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Most American and European ones sure. Take into account China, Japan, India, Mexico, Brazil, I am not so sure.
parasaurolophus
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That vice author tweeted the story and said that the workers were inspired by AOC's green new deal which is how she got involved in the storyline.fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I have made this point in here repeatedly, but if AOC didnt receive the large amounts of unnecessary praise she gets, she wouldnt get anywhere near the criticism either.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Alleged safety concerns. Those stories all came from anonymous former employee sources.Juxtatarot said:
rockaction
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I knew from the thread that she had done something colossally stupid, immature, reckless, or something else that betrayed sane thought. "She just...she just gets ahead of herself!" No, no she doesn't get ahead of anything. That's her worldview, plain and sample, stupid and unforthcoming and leftist.
Nobody can possibly support this persona and claim any iota of the moderate flag. None.
Nobody can possibly support this persona and claim any iota of the moderate flag. None.
John Blutarsky
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Another day, another viral misleading tweet from AOC. Amazon is leasing office space in Manhattan for 1,500 employees, which is 6% of the 25,000 jobs its HQ2 in Queens (her district) was supposed to add," The Daily Caller's Peter Hasson said.
"AOC could have had 25,000 jobs in her district from Amazon, but now, Amazon is only offering 1,500 jobs using rental space OUTSIDE her district. She's taking a victory lap for a 94% loss in jobs in NYC and 25,000 job loss in her district. Socialist logic is incredible," political strategist Caleb Hull wrote.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-blasted-for-misleading-tweet-taking-victory-lap-over-new-amazon-jobs-in-nyc
"AOC could have had 25,000 jobs in her district from Amazon, but now, Amazon is only offering 1,500 jobs using rental space OUTSIDE her district. She's taking a victory lap for a 94% loss in jobs in NYC and 25,000 job loss in her district. Socialist logic is incredible," political strategist Caleb Hull wrote.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-blasted-for-misleading-tweet-taking-victory-lap-over-new-amazon-jobs-in-nyc
Lol...you must read her tweets. Seems obnoxious and ignorant to expect an apology for losing at least 23,500 high-paying jobs and another 50,000 jobs which would have been created indirectly. 1,500 jobs is not 75,000 jobs nor is it the $30 billion in lost tax revenue for the city and state. But math never appears to be her strong suitRebecca Davis O'Brien @rebeccadobrien
Amazon agrees to lease 335,000 square feet in NYC's Hudson Yards neighborhood, in a deal without any financial incentives from the city or state.
I really thought this thread would be full of apologies by now.
Mile High
Footballguy
This is new facility is not either. But the headquarters was right next door, which is much closer.
seems we have been trolled. 
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Eh, but come on, it meant jobs for her district which is right next door.
I dunno, maybe this is a regional thing but now Amazon is buying into Hudson Yards, a connected piece of land, on the other side of NYC from where it was going to be. Rich property owners and Manhattan win there. The development for Astoria is lost. Maybe folks in that district and the surrounding precincts are fine with that. And I'm sure Cortez will be reelected in the Dem primary nonetheless, even though it runs counter to traditional Dem appeals for bringing home jobs and programs.
Ghost Rider
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I have said for a while that she is very similar to Trump: fairly clueless about most things, tweets non-stop and often it's over the top rhetoric, gets pissy any time anyone criticizes them for anything, etc.
Using $3 billion in tax incentives to lure a company to one borough vs another is not really a good use of resources
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
It is obviously not that simple. The hq2 deal was for far more employees and a deal to construct 4 million new square feet of mixed use commercial space.
This is 335,000 sq ft of existing space that they are leasing.
Apples to elephants.
All minuscule in the overall NYC market. Not sure why cities with booming growth should be giving the richest companies in the world tax subsides
John Blutarsky
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25,000 jobs, $27 billion in tax revenue and $3 billion in tax subsidies. Yep....that’s bad
https://ny.curbed.com/2019/12/6/20999619/amazon-leases-hudson-yards-office-space-hq2
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
Do the math. 25,000 high paying jobs=good.
$27 billion in tax revenue less $3 billion in tax subsidies =good.
timschochet
Footballguy
Agree 100%.
Of course @Slapdash is correct to point out it isn’t a typical conservative position to be in favor of such things. Personally I think it’s great- usually. And AOC’s comments were dumb from the beginning.
(I added “usually” to my statement because I’ve become skeptical, over the years, to the sports stadium aspect. In my neck of the woods, and I’m sure others as well, there are always sports team owners demanding all kinds of money, concessions, tax write offs, etc. in exchange for keeping a team around, and they always promise all sorts of benefits to the area. Somehow these benefits never quite pay off.)
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I can only speak with respect to Foxconn in Wisconsin. Apparently, the state was told Foxconn would bring in 13k jobs... new estimates report about 1,500 jobs. So, Wisconsin was sold a bill of goods that may be, what, 80% less than what was promised? I see no reason to believe Amazon would not have balked at their "job estimates" once the tax credit hit. The Foxconn deal is going, will continue to blow up in Wisconsin's face. I see no reason to think otherwise that the same would have happened with Amazon and these outrageous projections.
It is silly to act like sports owners are the only ones that promise things they never deliver in exchange for corporate welfare. Amazon always was going to grow in NYC, it doesn't make sense to give them money to choose a specific site in the city. Bad economic policy of picking winners and losers.
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