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A basic tenant of PC liberalism is that racism = white people.  It is impossible for any minority to be racist.  Minorities are prejudice and whites are racist according to the elitist PC crowd's definition of the terms. I provided 7 or 8 links which clearly state this.  
There is no truth to that claim at all. And liberals don't say that. 

 
There is no truth to that claim at all. And liberals don't say that. 
We already went through this..

Here are a few articles on the subject:

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/minorities-cant-be-racist

Racism comes from prejudice and the group with the prejudiced having power.  All throughout history and to this day, white people are the majority group in America.  Systematically, white people have the power and when you add prejudice you end up with racism.

When you have people of color in America, they are the minority groups. They don’t have the power like the white majority do. Hatred toward people of other races in cases of minority groups to other minority groups or minority to majority in cases of race, isn’t racism. It’s prejudice

https://www.elitedaily.com/life/culture/dear-white-people-why-black-people-cant-be-racist/1960206

Racism is the oppression of a marginalized group in a society that is based on white supremacy. If you are a white person, then you naturally benefit from white privilege.

This means that the exclusionary things black people are often accused of being racist for doing — creating a "Black Lives Matter" movement, attending historically black colleges, having a "Black Girls Rock" event  — could never be racist.

https://www.thecrimson.com/column/between-the-lines/article/2018/8/10/gao-who-can-be-racist/

Another camp thinks primarily of institutional racism and factors in a person’s power to use their racist beliefs against others. As one African-American lead character from the 2014 movie “Dear White People” argues, “Black people can’t be racist. Prejudiced, yes, but not racist. Racism describes a system of disadvantage based on race. Black people can’t be racists since we don’t stand to benefit from such a system.”

https://atlantablackstar.com/2016/10/06/google-pisses-some-people-off-by-claiming-blacks-ethnic-minorities-cant-be-racist-toward-whites/

So can African-Americans really be racist toward the very racial group that oppressed them for so many years? The answer is a resounding “no,” according to tech giant Google and a host of other experts poised in debunking the myth known as “reverse racism.”

https://medium.com/humanist-voices/can-minorities-be-racist-a9ff8c7bc102: "On one end of the spectrum, PC leftists say there’s no such thing as reverse racism because minorities can’t be racist."

https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/black-people-can’t-be-racist

Black people can never be racist – we never had the tools or power to institutionalise racial oppression.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_n_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97

Some people simplify racism as one group not liking another, and think “racist” and “prejudiced” are interchangeable. But racism is a concept that operates on both an individual and institutional level. 

At its core, racism is a system in which a dominant race benefits off the oppression of others — whether they want to or not. We don’t live in a society where every racial group has equal power, status, and opportunity. Yes, white people all over the world and throughout history have experienced atrocities like slavery and persecution. But in the very specific context of American history, white people have not been enslaved, colonized, or forced to segregate on the scale that black people have. They do not face housing or job discrimination, police brutality, poverty, or incarceration at the level that black people do. This is not to say that they do not experience things like poverty and police brutality at all. But again, not on the same scale —  not even close. That is the reality of racism. 

 
We already went through this..

Here are a few articles on the subject.
And who are these half dozen people you are quoting? Are they considered and recognized as top spokespeople for Democrats, liberals or progressives? 

 
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And who are these half dozen people you are quoting? Are they considered and recognized as top spokespeople for Democrats, liberals or progressives? 
Six people who prove that when you said, "There is no truth to that claim at all", that you were wrong.  Six people who are probably more important than half the people you quote tweets from.  

 
Six people who prove that when you said, "There is no truth to that claim at all", that you were wrong.  Six people who are probably more important than half the people you quote tweets from.  
If I came up with 6 op ed opinion pieces by people that no one has heard of and claimed they prove Trump supporters, conservatives and Republicans are all racist, there would be dozens of  :lmao:  and rightfully so - as it would prove absolutely nothing outside there are people in this country with that opinion. Your six unknowns supposedly proving minorities can't be racist is in the same category., 

 
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If I came up with 6 op ed opinion pieces by people that no one has heard of and claimed they prove Trump supporters, conservatives and Republicans are all racist, there would be dozens of  :lmao:  and rightfully so - as it would prove absolutely nothing outside there are people in this country with that opinion. Your six unknowns supposedly proving minorities can't be racist is in the same category., 
I know it's a lot to ask but for today, can you two drop the useless slapfight and just try to be cool. 

Little patience today. Sorry. 

 
Apple Jack said:
Not her biggest fan, but good for her for her position on this. And bartending is one word.
Not according to this site. Underlined in red. I can't be beat.

 
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Tool said:
The reference to her bartending gig is so juvenile, it's fine if you disagree with her but maybe consider losing that schtick.
Yeah.  This is unusual.  We don't ever see any juvenile digs and references around here at all about other politicians except in this AOC thread.  Good thing you called it out here and nipped it in the bud right away before it gets out of control.  ;)

 
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Not according to this site. Underlined in red. I can't be beat.
Regardless, the point remains that taking cheap shots at her because she used to tend bar is juvenile and silly.  There is plenty to criticize her for her without resorting to taking shots at her for working a good paying job while going to college.

 
lod001 said:
Another doosy from her today: https://nypost.com/2020/04/03/aoc-calls-for-coronavirus-reparations-for-minorities/

We can only hope that common sense wins out and Michelle Caruso-Cabrera sends her back to her bar tending gig. 
She's not wrong.  COVID-19 disproportionately impacts black/poor communities, that's a fact. 

It'd have a lot more bite if she hadn't just sat there and watched while Congress passed the biggest transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich in the history of this country.  

 
Regardless, the point remains that taking cheap shots at her because she used to tend bar is juvenile and silly.  There is plenty to criticize her for her without resorting to taking shots at her for working a good paying job while going to college.
It is pointless. Find any politician or any person in that people dislike and they will always put down what they did before. AOC was a bartender OMG, Trump was born on 3rd base, and everyone in-between. 

 
With Bernie effectively ending his future political career today, is it wrong to assume that AOC becomes the face of the Left in the United States? 

It seems to me that if Biden is elected, she will immediately become the leader of the  “friendly opposition” in the Democratic Party. If Trump is re-elected, then she becomes the leader of an angry group of progressives that will vow to reject all centrist candidates in the future. 

Add in the fact that both Biden and Pelosi are at the end of their careers, it seems that AOC is primed to become a political superstar and power much beyond her current status. 

 
With Bernie effectively ending his future political career today, is it wrong to assume that AOC becomes the face of the Left in the United States? 

It seems to me that if Biden is elected, she will immediately become the leader of the  “friendly opposition” in the Democratic Party. If Trump is re-elected, then she becomes the leader of an angry group of progressives that will vow to reject all centrist candidates in the future. 

Add in the fact that both Biden and Pelosi are at the end of their careers, it seems that AOC is primed to become a political superstar and power much beyond her current status. 
Or she loses in the primary to Michelle Caruso-Cabrera who is well funded and running a centrist pro-business campaign.  

 
I would not write it off.  AOC is representing the socialist wing and is out of touch with her district.  Losong 75,000 Amazon related jobs is not going to play well when high unemployment hits. She is more vulnerable than people think.  
Is her district filled with Socialists?  That would bode well for her then.

 
I would not write it off.  AOC is representing the socialist wing and is out of touch with her district.  Losong 75,000 Amazon related jobs is not going to play well when high unemployment hits. She is more vulnerable than people think.  
It’s a pretty blue district though right? 

 
It’s a pretty blue district though right? 
Democrats will keep it, but AOC's views are not the best fit. AOC would have been better off in a district which was not so dependent on big business.  Her rhetoric flies in the face of the area she represents. 

 
Democrats will keep it, but AOC's views are not the best fit. AOC would have been better off in a district which was not so dependent on big business.  Her rhetoric flies in the face of the area she represents. 
So, contrary to what you said a few posts above, you have written it off.

 
The citizens via government are paying for the American economy to be saved. Again.

Without that "part" of pure socialism the economy would be ####ed.

And yes, the Capitalist are keeping the benefits. So its not full blown -- just the responsibility is handled by socialism.

 
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The citizens via government are paying for the American economy to be saved. Again.

Without that "part" of pure socialism the economy would be ####ed.

And yes, the Capitalist are keeping the benefits. So its not full blown -- just the responsibility is handled by socialism.
:doh:

 
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What are you talking about.  The real challenge is from a Democrat. 
I wasn't thinking about that because it isn't a serious challenge at all, as much as AOC hater would like to believe it is. 

 
You never know.  Remember that is how AOC got in herself.
Meh, like it or not, she is one of new stars of the Democratic Party, plus she is well liked in her district (the one poll by the two college kids who knocked on doors for 3 days notwithstanding). She will win easily in the primary and the general election.

 
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Meh, like it or not, she is one of new stars of the Democratic Party, plus she is well liked in her district (the one poll by the two college kids who knocked on doors for 3 days notwithstanding). She will win easily in the primary and the general election.
Well she was a nobody who was chosen and well funded to unseat a sitting Democrat.   Things happen.  Even if she loses she will never go away and actually probably be more involved and make more money as well.

 
I wasn't thinking about that because it isn't a serious challenge at all, as much as AOC hater would like to believe it is. 
She has a very well known and well funded Democratic challenger...actually a very serious challenger

Michelle Caruso-Cabrera raises $1 million in bid to topple AOC

Chamber of Commerce Backs Michelle Caruso-Cabrera

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez challenger Michelle Caruso-Cabrera has raised $1 million in her bid to topple the lefty superstar in the June 23 Democratic primary, her campaign said Wednesday.

Caruso-Cabrera, the former veteran CNBC anchor, will report having $800,00 in cash on hand — minus expenses paid — when she officially files her financial disclosures with the Federal Elections Commission.

The financial report covers the first quarter of 2020 — Jan. 1-March 31 — and the report is due April. 15.

“The outpouring of support has been amazing. Before Coronavirus people were stopping me on the street showing their excitement. And from the beginning the countless handwritten letters from near and far s from across the country have been so moving,” said Caruso-Cabrera said.

“The national and local messages are clear: I will unite. AOC’s reign of division will end. This early financial and political support shows unstoppable momentum. As they say in New York, ‘you ain’t seen nothing yet.’ “

 
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She has a very well known and well funded Democratic challenger...actually a very serious challenger

Michelle Caruso-Cabrera raises $1 million in bid to topple AOC

Chamber of Commerce Backs Michelle Caruso-Cabrera

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez challenger Michelle Caruso-Cabrera has raised $1 million in her bid to topple the lefty superstar in the June 23 Democratic primary, her campaign said Wednesday.

Caruso-Cabrera, the former veteran CNBC anchor, will report having $800,00 in cash on hand — minus expenses paid — when she officially files her financial disclosures with the Federal Elections Commission.

The financial report covers the first quarter of 2020 — Jan. 1-March 31 — and the report is due April. 15.

“The outpouring of support has been amazing. Before Coronavirus people were stopping me on the street showing their excitement. And from the beginning the countless handwritten letters from near and far s from across the country have been so moving,” said Caruso-Cabrera said.

“The national and local messages are clear: I will unite. AOC’s reign of division will end. This early financial and political support shows unstoppable momentum. As they say in New York, ‘you ain’t seen nothing yet.’ “
MCC would be  much less divisive than AOC.  At this point in time the Dem party needs more people like MCC as we need to unite and stop dividing.

 
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She has a very well known and well funded Democratic challenger...actually a very serious challenger

Michelle Caruso-Cabrera raises $1 million in bid to topple AOC

Chamber of Commerce Backs Michelle Caruso-Cabrera

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez challenger Michelle Caruso-Cabrera has raised $1 million in her bid to topple the lefty superstar in the June 23 Democratic primary, her campaign said Wednesday.

Caruso-Cabrera, the former veteran CNBC anchor, will report having $800,00 in cash on hand — minus expenses paid — when she officially files her financial disclosures with the Federal Elections Commission.

The financial report covers the first quarter of 2020 — Jan. 1-March 31 — and the report is due April. 15.

“The outpouring of support has been amazing. Before Coronavirus people were stopping me on the street showing their excitement. And from the beginning the countless handwritten letters from near and far s from across the country have been so moving,” said Caruso-Cabrera said.

“The national and local messages are clear: I will unite. AOC’s reign of division will end. This early financial and political support shows unstoppable momentum. As they say in New York, ‘you ain’t seen nothing yet.’ “
If it is just about money then she is in trouble. AOC raised almost 2 million the last quarter of 2019 and over a million in January alone. 

 
If it is just about money then she is in trouble. AOC raised almost 2 million the last quarter of 2019 and over a million in January alone. 
Exactly. From the article Mr. _mx linked:

But AOC has been a small-donor fundraising powerhouse. At the end of December, the democratic socialist darling had $2.9 million in her treasury after raising $1.9 million in donations the prior three months.

She raised more contributions than any other House Democrat from July 1 through August 30 of last year — $1.42 million.

She also started her own political action committee, Courage to Change, to help fund the campaigns of other progressive insurgents running for office. That has rattled the cages of House Democratic leadership and incumbents.

 
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Exactly. From the article Mr. _mx linked:
Forget about names, who would you rather have?  A democrat that divides people..even in her own party.  Or a democrat that works with people and tries to unite her own party?   I vote Democrat and would vote MCC over AOC.  I want more unity going forward.

 
Forget about names, who would you rather have?  A democrat that divides people..even in her own party.  Or a democrat that works with people and tries to unite her own party?   I vote Democrat and would vote MCC over AOC.  I want more unity going forward.
I don't want 2 parties, I want more people that think Independently and not just voting down partisan lines. I might not agree with the person, but I want different ideas because none of us have all the right answers or can think of all the ideas. So divide away. I hope we get some of the same on the Republican side. 

 
If it is just about money then she is in trouble. AOC raised almost 2 million the last quarter of 2019 and over a million in January alone. 
It is never just about money.  But $1 million does make one a very credible contender and that was the point.  She is an attractive candidate with a good message which matches the views of the district.   She will be a formidable contender.  

 
I don't want 2 parties, I want more people that think Independently and not just voting down partisan lines. I might not agree with the person, but I want different ideas because none of us have all the right answers or can think of all the ideas. So divide away. I hope we get some of the same on the Republican side. 
I agree, I would love to have no parties and all independent flexible thinkers but that will never happen. Listening and watching AOC is so stiff and rigid  she never bends or has any flexibility, just has blinders on for what direction she thinks.  People need to look at everyone and try to adapt, try to be at least a little flexible.  MCC seems to grasp that part better.

 
Forget about names, who would you rather have?  A democrat that divides people..even in her own party.  Or a democrat that works with people and tries to unite her own party?   I vote Democrat and would vote MCC over AOC.  I want more unity going forward.
If AOC were my Rep., I'd take a long look at her primary opposition (I'd be hard pressed to look at any R opposition while Trump is still in office).  That being said, who am I to complain about what her constituency wants? 

 
I agree, I would love to have no parties and all independent flexible thinkers but that will never happen. Listening and watching AOC is so stiff and rigid  she never bends or has any flexibility, just has blinders on for what direction she thinks.  People need to look at everyone and try to adapt, try to be at least a little flexible.  MCC seems to grasp that part better.
IMO this leads to the partisan thinking. I am willing to take some stubbornness and some mistakes to get rid of partisanship we have now, which IMO leads to bigger mistakes and is less beneficial to everyone. 

 
I agree, I would love to have no parties and all independent flexible thinkers but that will never happen. Listening and watching AOC is so stiff and rigid  she never bends or has any flexibility, just has blinders on for what direction she thinks.  People need to look at everyone and try to adapt, try to be at least a little flexible.  MCC seems to grasp that part better.
Id' imagine that here are those though who would say that inflexibility ultimate focus on political vision is a key tenant to success in politics.

 

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