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Just now, JohnnyU said:

I think you would think differently if you actually saw a debate of these two.  She is not intellectually equipped to deal with some like Shapiro. 

I've heard both of them in lengthy podcast interviews before. I like Shapiro. He's wrong about most things, but he's intelligent, he cares about facts, and he argues in good faith. Ocasio-Cortez is obviously intelligent as well, and she might not be wrong as often as he is. I think she'd do fine.

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1 minute ago, Captain Cranks said:

As someone else mentioned, JohnnyU coming in guns a blazing with very non-partisan tact.  Just hoping for the betterment of his fellow man. :rolleyes: 

I don't have guns blazing, just to say that Americans aren't buying this BS from Ocasio-Cortez.  Hell, members of her own party aren't buying it either.   The only way the Dems are going to get back any trust is to abandon identity politics and win back middle America.  I don't see that happening. 

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2 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

Is Shapiro losing that many listeners that he has to throw out a dollar amount to debate another person not even a part of our government yet? He is sounding desperate... real desperate to want to “debate” someone just to get listeners and a soundbite. Sad. 

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2 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

Is Shapiro losing that many listeners that he has to throw out a dollar amount to debate another person not even a part of our government yet? He is sounding desperate... real desperate to want to “debate” someone just to get listeners and a soundbite. Sad. 

I don't think he's losing listeners.

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Just now, proninja said:

Then say her name and avoid demeaning nicknames based on her appearance. Doing that doesn't lend you any credibility. 

The problem with making such a big deal of this incident is that it's not equal to the blowback that you'd give if it were about Trump or those in his circle.  People make comments about other's appearance.  It's unsavory, but let's friggin move on and not set ourselves up to be a bunch of hypocrites. 

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1 minute ago, proninja said:

Good idea. The dems should definitely nominate a centrist one of these years, then whatever "middle America" is will definitely vote democrat. 

Regardless, the Dems need to change their platform.  Trump hate isn't going to cut it.  They must find a way to reach middle America or they are toast.  They must do away with identify politics or they are toast.  The Republicans know this.  As far as Ocasio-Cortiez, she she will be a footnote of comedy. 

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Just now, proninja said:

I guess I'm unsure how I'm making a big deal out of that. I jumped into the conversation and have made two replies about it. :shrug:

How many people on this board have you corrected who made reference to Trump's appearance?  My assumption is none.  It's that assumed contradictory behavior that I'm reacting to.  If you actually do call out anti-Trumpers in similar fashion, then I apologize.  

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Just now, proninja said:

Were I Ocasio-Cortez, I'd refuse. I'd tell Shapiro that if he wants to debate me, he's welcome to run for office like I did and if he's able to win like I did, he'll be afforded the opportunity. I'd also mention that I was looking forward to robust debates with my Republican opponent. 

Nothing like deflection.  He would kill this women.

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14 minutes ago, Captain Cranks said:

As someone else mentioned, JohnnyU coming in guns a blazing with very non-partisan tact.  Just hoping for the betterment of his fellow man. :rolleyes: 

Surely you are mistaken

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5 minutes ago, rude classless thugs said:

Why in the world would Ocasio-Cortez waste her time with a 2nd string conservative talking head like Shapiro when she could earn 10K in any major city speaking at a fundraiser for Democrats or the Democratic Party?

Because she is reeling with defeats.  None of what she is currently doing is helping her cause.  Of course she won't debate Shapiro because she would look even more dumber than she currently does.  She is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican party.  I really hope she becomes even more popular in social media and the main stream media.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, proninja said:

That's not deflection. He hasn't earned the right to debate her. 

Just like if I thought the idea of colonizing Mars was a terrible idea and offered to debate Elon Musk about it, he'd laugh at me, and it's not because he'd be worried I'd win. 

earned the right?  Hell, he's more popular than she is in many circles and he is a hell of lot more intelligent. 

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1 hour ago, TobiasFunke said:

He’s more than welcome to spend that $10,000 to rent a place in her district and run for Congress. Then he could debate her a bunch of times, and with actual stakes.  

Probably should ask yourself why he’s doing this instead.  

It seems like in every other thread, you argue that we shouldn't care about the topic of the thread because Trump Is Terrible.  So why are you engaging with this one as if it's a serious topic?  Ocasio-Cortez is a fringe candidate from a fringe district, and Ben Shapiro has no agenda besides owning the libs.  Any debate here just involves bouncing stupidity back and forth.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

Because she is reeling with defeats.  None of what she is currently doing is helping her cause.  Of course she won't debate Shapiro because she would look even more of a dumber than she currently does.  She is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican party.  I really hope she becomes even more popular in social media and the main stream media.

What defeats? Has she run for office again since her upset victory? Why should she give Shapiro any publicity (which he badly needs)?

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Because she is reeling with defeats.  None of what she is currently doing is helping her cause.  Of course she won't debate Shapiro because she would look even more dumber than she currently does.  She is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican party.  I really hope she becomes even more popular in social media and the main stream media.

 

 

I don't know why you are so filled with hatred and resentment but I wish you the best and hope you find happiness. 

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Just now, proninja said:

She is a candidate for public office. He's a pundit. I don't think it makes sense for any candidate to spend time arguing with someone who isn't also running for office regardless of their politics. I sure wouldn't. You've got nothing to gain by making someone you're not running against look bad, and something to lose if it doesn't go well for you. 

He hasn't earned the right because he's not seeking public office. It doesn't matter how popular he is among conservatives, they're playing a fundamentally different game, and hers is on a different level than his. 

Hell, she couldn't debate most of you on this forum.

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Just now, Sheriff Bart said:

I don't know why you are so filled with hatred and resentment but I wish you the best.    

No hatred at all, only facts.  Are you chastising me because I think this Socialist is bad for this country?  Most Americans feel the way I do.  At least those between the two coasts do.

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Hell, she couldn't debate most of you on this forum.

I’d bet she would mop the floor with you quite easily.

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3 minutes ago, proninja said:

I'm not really sure what to say next. You're just making a bunch of random assertations you assume to be true that aren't really germane to the posts you're replying to.  

Well, let me just say that she has made herself look so stupid even the Democratic party (some of them) are trying to dismiss her.  Even Obama doesn't want any part of this nut job. 

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1 hour ago, Dickies said:

We need to keep the discussion civil......

Apparently that doesn't apply to right-wingers wanting to insult liberals

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1 minute ago, proninja said:

They're not insulting, they're just pointing out facts

I'm sure donkey-faced, wild eyes, and idiot are all terms of endearment 

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3 minutes ago, rude classless thugs said:

So what? Who cares?

Well, that was shallow.  I'm just saying her endorsements were failures in recent elections.  Americans aren't buying what she is offering.

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2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Explain?

He’s saying that you would do poorly in a debate and the more you post, the more obvious that becomes. You’re the pundit on TV who is screaming the same talking points over and over without backing anything up.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

Well, that was shallow.  I'm just saying her endorsements were failures in recent elections.

Not an issue with Democrats and certainly no reason to debate a second string conservative talking head like Shapiro and give me the publicity he craves.

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1 minute ago, Biff84 said:

He’s saying that you would do poorly in a debate and the more you post, the more obvious that becomes. You’re the pundit on TV who is screaming the same talking points over and over without backing anything up.

Hey dude, I'm just saying that Ocasio-Cortez would be embarrassed by Shapiro.  I think most of you would agree. 

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4 minutes ago, rude classless thugs said:

Not an issue with Democrats and certainly no reason to debate a second string conservative talking head like Shapiro and give me the publicity he craves.

I agree it's not an issue.   You know why?  Because Americans aren't buying that BS.  The Dems have to come up with something more than Trump hate.  You know what?, they can't.  All they have is identify politics and that doesn't fly with most Americans.   Talk about doubling down on failure.  Keep it coming is all I can say.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

Hey dude, I'm just saying that Ocasio-Cortez would be embarrassed by Shapiro.  I think most of you would agree. 

Yes and clearly you’ve been proven right.

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9 minutes ago, Slapdash said:

I'm sure donkey-faced, wild eyes, and idiot are all terms of endearment 

depends on the tone

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18 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Hey dude, I'm just saying that Ocasio-Cortez would be embarrassed by Shapiro.  I think most of you would agree. 

Shapiro was embarrassed by Katy Tur's biological father, transgender Zoey Tur, who after referring to her as "sir" threatened to send him home in an ambulance.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQy70_LPS4

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29 minutes ago, proninja said:

I don't think it makes sense for any candidate to spend time arguing with someone who isn't also running for office regardless of their politics. I sure wouldn't. You've got nothing to gain by making someone you're not running against look bad, and something to lose if it doesn't go well for you. 

Why would she try to make someone look bad?

What she has to gain, aside from selfish stuff like publicity, is advancing the policy discussion in this country, and exposing the electorate to good ideas.

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5 minutes ago, rude classless thugs said:

You should be embarrassed by that comment.

Really?  I remember Jenner as a man winning gold medals.   Why should I think of him in any other way?   If someone decides to address themselves as another gender I'm OK with that as long as there are not laws that says i MUST do do.  We can have mutual respect with regards to gender and I'm fine with that.  But don't try to legislate it. 

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10 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Not being polite to the pronoun he is right.  Jenner is a man.

 

8 minutes ago, rude classless thugs said:

You should be embarrassed by that comment.

 

4 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Really?  I remember Jenner as a man winning gold medals.   Why should I think of him in any other way?   If someone decides to address themselves as another gender I'm OK with that as long as there are not laws that says i MUST do do.  We can have mutual respect with regards to gender and I'm fine with that.  But don't try to legislate it. 

You should be embarrassed calling a woman a man because it as bad as calling a Puerto Rican a donkey mouth.

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4 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Really?  I remember Jenner as a man winning gold medals.   Why should I think of him in any other way?   If someone decides to address themselves as another gender I'm OK with that as long as there are not laws that says i MUST do do.  We can have mutual respect with regards to gender and I'm fine with that.  But don't try to legislate it. 

How on earth are you arguing that you have a "mutual respect with regards to gender" when you refuse to respect another person's gender identity? Do you understand the word respect?

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Really?  I remember Jenner as a man winning gold medals.   Why should I think of him in any other way?   If someone decides to address themselves as another gender I'm OK with that as long as there are not laws that says i MUST do do.  We can have mutual respect with regards to gender and I'm fine with that.  But don't try to legislate it. 

No one says you have to address her nor anyone in a specific manner.  But your blatant LACK of respect for another human and their life choices and self identification says far more about you, than it does about the person about whom you speak.  And part of what that says is lack of empathy, lack of caring and complete lack of class. 

 

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3 minutes ago, mcintyre1 said:

How on earth are you arguing that you have a "mutual respect with regards to gender" when you refuse to respect another person's gender identity? Do you understand the word respect?

Speaking of respect, it didn't take long to lose a lot of it for a certain poster here, between name calling and an inability to respect other human beings. If anything, this era certainly has made it more clear who and what people are about, at their root.  

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40 minutes ago, rude classless thugs said:

What defeats? Has she run for office again since her upset victory?

She’s been on everybody’s radar for about 40 days and has failed to push the entire Democratic electorate leftward in that time, a clear failure on her part. Most congressional nominees could do it in a week. 

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