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It's not about Trump. It's about some of his ideas

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You know, people on this board, and to a large extent pretty much wherever seem to think that supporting some of Trump's ideas means you support Trump the man and they call you a Trumpkin, Trumptard, a Trump lover, a Trump follower, you name it.

What you folks don't get because of your hatred of the man himself, is that it's not about Trump, the man. But it is indeed about someone, who in this case happens to be Trump, speaking out on with some conservative ideals. There are a good number of people that think political correctness had went too far. There are a good number of people that think immigration is out of control. There are a good number of people that think middle eastern refugees should be vetted, vetted, and vetted again. There are a good number of people that think the trade imbalance should be acted upon. Trump caught these people's attention. Not because of who he is, but because of what he was saying and that someone was finally willing to say it and act upon it.

I'm guessing a great, and I mean GREAT majority think Donald Trump the person is repulsive. The tweets juvenile. The "fake news" juvenile" the name calling non presidential and all the above. Does anyone really "like" Donald Trump? Not many I'm sure.  But agreeing with his direction on some topics that are not popular with the left does not make you a trump lover. And the constant criticism, belittling, and name calling by the left only makes us dig in even more which makes you think we're even more of a trump lover when really it's just an F you to the left.

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I like the idea of discussing Trump’s ideals, I just don’t understand the point of insulting posters who criticize them off the bat. Ok so discuss the ideas and leave the personal stuff out of it.

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3 minutes ago, T J said:

I'm guessing a great, and I mean GREAT majority think Donald Trump the person is repulsive. The tweets juvenile. The "fake news" juvenile" the name calling non presidential and all the above. Does anyone really "like" Donald Trump? Not many I'm sure.

I think you’re waaaayyyyy overestimating the impact of his personality on the criticism of him.

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I like the idea of discussing Trump’s ideals, I just don’t understand the point of insulting posters who criticize them off the bat. Ok so discuss the ideas and leave the personal stuff out of it.

You're missing the point. I'm not making any comment or insult at all toward anyone and this isn't a thread to discuss his politics. This is a thread to explain, from my perspective, that people on the left seem to think anyone on the right is a trump lover. I have no interest in discussing his ideals. But I'll discuss the left's perception of the right. 

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4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I think you’re waaaayyyyy overestimating the impact of his personality on the criticism of him.

I would think I'm way underestimating it.

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It’s actually both, although determining which is worse is tough.

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11 minutes ago, T J said:

 There are a good number of people that think political correctness had went too far.

There are a good number of people that think immigration is out of control.

There are a good number of people that think middle eastern refugees should be vetted, vetted, and vetted again.

There are a good number of people that think the trade imbalance should be acted upon. 

Honestly, and here I am only speaking for myself, it is these ideas that are my biggest problem with Donald Trump. 

Its not simply that I disagree with them. It’s that I find them dangerous, and some of them I frankly consider to be unamerican. 

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How do you separate stuff like build a wall, the “Mexican” judge can’t rule fairly in my case, there are many fine people on both sides from a person’s legitimate points about immigration. I’m going to dismiss that guy straight away.

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Just now, joffer said:

It’s actually both, although determining which is worse is tough.

People on the right, myself anyway, happen to agree with his thinking on immigration, trade, etc... The fact you don't is a political issue which is fine. But I would vote for someone acting on many of the things Trump is a proponent of. If there was someone willing to do it not named Trump, I'd be interested. It's not about Trump, the man. It's about a certain mindset and a shift back toward the right that is much needed.

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4 minutes ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

Almost all of his “ideas” suck too.

Not even close. Sorry kid.

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7 minutes ago, T J said:

I would think I'm way underestimating it.

I would think you are waaaaayyy  wrong on that

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12 minutes ago, T J said:

 There are a good number of people that think middle eastern refugees should be vetted, vetted, and vetted again. 

Take this one in particular. When I hear this from you and other Trump supporters, I frankly don’t think you know what you’re talking about. The vetting was already so severe when Trump took office that it took over a year for Middle Eastern refugees to be accepted. Do you have a specific notion of how the vetting should be more than it is? Or, as I suspect, do you simply want to keep them out altogether? If that’s the case just admit it. 

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Just now, timschochet said:

Take this one in particular. When I hear this from you and other Trump supporters, I frankly don’t think you know what you’re talking about. The vetting was already so severe when Trump took office that it took over a year for Middle Eastern refugees to be accepted. Do you have a specific notion of how the vetting should be more than it is? Or, as I suspect, do you simply want to keep them out altogether? If that’s the case just admit it. 

They need to be vetted, Tim. Super-ultra-doubledog vetted.  

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

How do you separate stuff like build a wall, the “Mexican” judge can’t rule fairly in my case, there are many fine people on both sides from a person’s legitimate points about immigration. I’m going to dismiss that guy straight away.

That's for each person to decide. Some of that crosses the line for sure. Some people get turned off by what is said rather than picking out a piece or two.

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1 minute ago, msommer said:

I would think you are waaaaayyy  wrong on that

Feel free. I don't happen to agree with you. At all.

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7 minutes ago, joffer said:

It’s actually both, although determining which is worse is tough.

A thoroughly repulsive man with thoroughly repulsive ideas that he tries to implement in the most incompetent way possible (silver lining, I suppose).

That there are "a good number of people" that share these ideas is an issue that Americans will have to deal with for a while, beyond Trump's immediate reign

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1 minute ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

They need to be vetted, Tim. Super-ultra-doubledog vetted.  

Sarcasm. Pretty much the norm for you. Masks your inability to form a real thought.

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Just now, T J said:

That's for each person to decide. Some of that crosses the line for sure. Some people get turned off by what is said rather than picking out a piece or two.

His whole campaign for 6 months was “build a wall”. The most absurdly stupid idea there is. 

Before that he was known for thinking Obama was not quite right and something was off about him. Wonder what that was all about.

His policies are pretty much boiler plate Republican ideas outside of his repugnant view of the world and scummy personality. 

 

 

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Just now, T J said:

Sarcasm. Pretty much the norm for you. Masks your inability to form a real thought.

At least he responded to the question. You haven’t. 

Here’s another one: why are trade imbalances bad for the USA? 

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11 minutes ago, T J said:

I would think I'm way underestimating it.

I can tell you how you can know you're wrong about this. And that is that oh say roughly 75% of the Trump-"left" convos I see here and elsewhere (including the President and the White House)  end up with one of these three responses from a Trump supporter:

  • Fake news.
  • Hypocrisy.
  • Hysteria.

Now, if Trump supporters were serious about their ideals and Trump's they would not do this. Instead discussion of the facts almost always ends up as a dodge.

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If Trump thought he had a better chance to win as a Democrat, he would have run as a Democrat.  He's a con-man.  :lmao: at "ideas"

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4 minutes ago, msommer said:

A thoroughly repulsive man with thoroughly repulsive ideas that he tries to implement in the most incompetent way possible (silver lining, I suppose).

That there are "a good number of people" that share these ideas is an issue that Americans will have to deal with for a while, beyond Trump's immediate reign

That there a good number of people that DON'T share these ideas is something Americans will have to deal with you mean. It's unfortunate I know.

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21 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I like the idea of discussing Trump’s ideals, I just don’t understand the point of insulting posters who criticize them off the bat. Ok so discuss the ideas and leave the personal stuff out of it.

:lmao:

You must be new here. 

Every single day there are Trump hating posters who insult Trump supporters. 

Every 

Single

Day

This board is nothing if not a bunch of hypocrites

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25 minutes ago, T J said:

conservative ideals

And this part always blows me away.

Right now Trump and some supporters, like Bannon, Ingraham and Kudlow (!) have proposed seizing tech giants or regulating internet activity in the USA.

This is like the most outright socialist thing I've ever heard in this country on a serious level.

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I can tell you how you can know you're wrong about this. And that is that oh say roughly 75% of the Trump-"left" convos I see here and elsewhere (including the President and the White House)  end up with one of these three responses from a Trump supporter:

  • Fake news.
  • Hypocrisy.
  • Hysteria.

Now, if Trump supporters were serious about their ideals and Trump's they would not do this. Instead discussion of the facts almost always ends up as a dodge.

 

1 minute ago, NFL2DF said:

This board is nothing if not a bunch of hypocrites

 

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14 minutes ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

Almost all of his “ideas” suck too.

For communists and socialists, yes. 

For Americans who love freedom and personal responsibility Trump's ideas have been very on point. 

Especially for the black community, his support has doubled since election day with them.

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

At least he responded to the question. You haven’t. 

Here’s another one: why are trade imbalances bad for the USA? 

Sorry. Had you on ignore. Did you not read? I have no interest in discussing policy. This thread is about the left's mindset toward the right. Not policy. Try to keep up.

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1 minute ago, NFL2DF said:

For communists and socialists, yes. 

The President is proposing seizing corporations because they don't say what he wants them to say.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

 

If the shoe fits. 

Speaking of fake news, you were pushing some propaganda about Ohr that I am going to have to correct you on. 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was an honest mistake. You probably were just getting your information from a low quality site that left out the full story. 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

And this part always blows me away.

Right now Trump and some supporters, like Bannon, Ingraham and Kudlow (!) have proposed seizing tech giants or regulating internet activity in the USA.

This is like the most outright socialist thing I've ever heard in this country on a serious level.

I would agree. You seem to think people support everything the man does because he's him. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Just now, T J said:

I would agree. You seem to think people support everything the man does because he's him. Nothing could be further from the truth.

No kidding. I don't but what happens is that the fake news, hypocrisy, hysteria and hate talk always comes first.

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TJ, I feel like one of the things that Trump-tolerant people don’t seem to appreciate about us Trump critics is that we don’t view this as politics as usual.  Personally I consider Trump to be a malignant force in this country in a way that I never considered other Republican politicians.  I frankly consider him akin to a terrorist, not a politician.

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5 minutes ago, T J said:

That there a good number of people that DON'T share these ideas is something Americans will have to deal with you mean. It's unfortunate I know.

At least there is not a majority that thinks Trump's ideas are making the country "great again", that, in your dead leaders words would be "SAD!"

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3 minutes ago, NFL2DF said:

For communists and socialists, yes. 

For Americans who love freedom and personal responsibility Trump's ideas have been very on point. 

Especially for the black community, his support has doubled since election day with them.

What freedoms were taken from you prior to this guy?

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1 minute ago, NFL2DF said:

If the shoe fits. 

Speaking of fake news, you were pushing some propaganda about Ohr that I am going to have to correct you on. 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was an honest mistake. You probably were just getting your information from a low quality site that left out the full story. 

Buddy I'm always open to defending my ideas. No problem. But yes Ohr was in charge of investigating international organized crime at DOJ and specifically Russian organized crime and what surprise that just happens to be where the dossier landed. You figure it out from there.

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2 minutes ago, T J said:

I would agree. You seem to think people support everything the man does because he's him. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Right, on that point:

30 minutes ago, T J said:

There are a good number of people that think political correctness had went too far. There are a good number of people that think immigration is out of control. There are a good number of people that think middle eastern refugees should be vetted, vetted, and vetted again. There are a good number of people that think the trade imbalance should be acted upon.

Are these then the sum of things that you like about Trump's ideas? Or would you care to complete the list (just of the things you agree with)?

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13 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Take this one in particular. When I hear this from you and other Trump supporters, I frankly don’t think you know what you’re talking about. The vetting was already so severe when Trump took office that it took over a year for Middle Eastern refugees to be accepted. Do you have a specific notion of how the vetting should be more than it is? Or, as I suspect, do you simply want to keep them out altogether? If that’s the case just admit it. 

You have zero credibility with me by calling me a trump supporter because that means you are willingly choosing to ignore the entire point of the thread and instead go straight to calling me a trump supporter and getting into policy which I said specifically this thread was not about. The. Entire. Point. Of. The. Thread.

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13 minutes ago, T J said:

You're missing the point. I'm not making any comment or insult at all toward anyone and this isn't a thread to discuss his politics. This is a thread to explain, from my perspective, that people on the left seem to think anyone on the right is a trump lover. I have no interest in discussing his ideals. But I'll discuss the left's perception of the right. 

The man is President and he’s a POS - support of immigration reform, tariffs, tax cuts and other items are fine, and should be debated and discussed.  But it’s very telling to me the people that defend him.  I’ve said it before but most of the well known and respected conservatives on this board see him for what he is - the worst President ever and a man with no morals and someone who has no business holding the office.  The people left defending him seem to be a mixture of trolls, nutjobs and die hard R’s who seem to have some weird compulsion to try and compare him with the bad on the left. 

I’d have little issue with someone who came out and said that they thinks he’s horrible but has some policies they like but for the good of the country they would support removing him and having Pence run things.  I’m not aware of anyone taking that position.  

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1 minute ago, T J said:

You have zero credibility with me by calling me a trump supporter because that means you are willingly choosing to ignore the entire point of the thread and instead go straight to calling me a trump supporter and getting into policy which I said specifically this thread was not about. The. Entire. Point. Of. The. Thread.

Soooo....you’re NOT a Trump supporter?

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5 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

TJ, I feel like one of the things that Trump-tolerant people don’t seem to appreciate about us Trump critics is that we don’t view this as politics as usual.  Personally I consider Trump to be a malignant force in this country in a way that I never considered other Republican politicians.  I frankly consider him akin to a terrorist, not a politician.

He's dangerous and I despise him. BUT he got elected despite all that. Why do you suppose that is?

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Just now, Officer Pete Malloy said:

Soooo....you’re NOT a Trump supporter?

Nah, he just supports his ideas, man

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Just now, Officer Pete Malloy said:

Soooo....you’re NOT a Trump supporter?

Hardly. But I do support certain ideologies he has. 

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1 minute ago, T J said:

He's dangerous and I despise him. BUT he got elected despite all that. Why do you suppose that is?

To build a wall? Kind of pathetic.

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Just now, T J said:

He's dangerous and I despise him. BUT he got elected despite all that. Why do you suppose that is?

Oooo oooo! I know this one:

The Russians, racism, xenophobia, and a side of stupidity.

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Just now, msommer said:

Nah, he just supports his ideas, man

Some, not all. And yes, there is a difference between supporting ideas and supporting an individual who happens thave those ideas. That's what the left doesn't get. 

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1 minute ago, Officer Pete Malloy said:

Oooo oooo! I know this one:

The Russians, racism, xenophobia, and a side of stupidity.

How incredibly small-minded you are showing yourself to be. 

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