Sabertooth
Footballguy
Maybe. Half the nation would belittle you, threaten you, and otherwise marginalize you. The other half would acknowledge your bravery and throw you on the pile of evidence of how terrible Trump actually is.
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New York Times: I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree. They are truly the people with power to blunt the impact his rage and mental shortcoming and they just enable him constantly. I mean you already got your tax cuts and gut punched the middle class, how much more water do you really want to squeeze out of us?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
=36% approval rating. Who is telling the President his poll numbers are going through the roof? Whoever it is they are doing him no favor. I think he actually thinks his base makes up about 60 % of voters so he keeps going to rallies trying to appeal to them.Basically the same as every other hysterical piece of fake news over the last 2 years.
By laughing at people who fall for obvious propaganda.
muh NYT resistance
muh Woodward
muh Omarosa
muh Lanny Davis
muh Michael Cohen
muh Helsinki
muh Singapore
muh porn star
muh porn star lawyer
muh Fire & Fury
muh collusion
muh obstruction
muh unfit
muh koi pond
muh Trump Tower
muh WikiLeaks collusion
muh .....
Literally 2 years of hysteria and not #### to show for it other than a few multi thousand page conspiracy threads.
Oh, and some indicted twitter trolls
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The fact that I can't cross out "weeks", type in "hours" and FYP is a horrible abuse.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
You can tell there's nothing to the NYT's op-ed by the way the President shrugged it off and laughed.
toshiba
Footballguy
I don’t think Trumps base is 50% of the country. Maybe 15%, I think that defines fringe.
But I understand your overall point.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
What exactly do you mean when you say the NYT Op-Ed is "fake news"? Do you think the person who wrote it doesn't actually work in the Administration? Do you think they do work in the Administration but are lying? Do you think the NYT made it up?
toshiba
Footballguy
His base will get off their butts, vote and support him no matter what. No way do 30% of Americans qualify for that criteria.
But I agree there is a group of people 15%, 30%, <50% that will vilify the anonymous author.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
We’re probably moving into a stage where the WH simultaneously claims its fake and also flips over furniture and floorboards in a wild attempt to find out who it is.
toshiba
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Absolutely. And let's not lose track of the big picture here: Donald is an impetuous child, unfit for leadership of the country and his closest advisers fear his execrable judgment.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If it's any comfort I'm 100% confident that Trump will totally forget about this next time he sees a woman with a nice rack, or a reminder that Jeff Bezos is much richer than he is, or if someone jangles some keys in front of him.
I mean, it wouldn't be the first time the right wing managed to hold contradictory ideas in their heads simultaneously. Remember "The torture that we are not engaging in is producing useful intelligence, and besides, these are really horrible people who deserve to be tortured"? Or how about "We must cut taxes in order to shrink the size of government, and as an added bonus, tax cuts increase revenues"?
timschochet
Footballguy
This gets discussed a lot, but Ryan and McConnell and the rest of them are not the core of the problem.
The core of the problem is the 80-90% of Republicans that continue to support President Trump on an almost fanatical basis.
That was my initial thought, too, but for the record, the NYT Opinion Page editor told CNN the person approached them a few days ago and the timing with the Woodward book was entirely coincidental.
Now, it's possible he's fudging a bit to help throw people off the person's scent. Or maybe they had the piece in the can already, and after the Woodward book the guy finally agreed to let them publish it. But absent any evidence to the contrary, I think we should take Dao at his word.
Banger
Footballguy
I may be in the minority here as many seem to think that the person is a coward for not putting his/her name to the op-ed. If yet another person left the administration and sent this letter to the Times the message would've been completely lost. The focus would be on the person...Trump and Sanders would spin and lie and minimize their role and in 10 minutes it would've been completely forgotten. At least now the message is being focused on.
I hate the idea that these people are supporting the propaganda of Trump publicly and privately know he's an absolute disaster....it sad and pathetic but I do appreciate them confirming the themes of the Wolf, Omorosa and now the Woodward books....that the President is a disaster and completely clueless....what needs to come from this is for people to open their eyes, to get out the vote and remove these enablers from office for the foreseeable future.
I hate the idea that these people are supporting the propaganda of Trump publicly and privately know he's an absolute disaster....it sad and pathetic but I do appreciate them confirming the themes of the Wolf, Omorosa and now the Woodward books....that the President is a disaster and completely clueless....what needs to come from this is for people to open their eyes, to get out the vote and remove these enablers from office for the foreseeable future.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
"Woe to the land whose King is a child."
So the White House and Presidency is being run by regency.
So the White House and Presidency is being run by regency.
Banger
Footballguy
I would have to think that's true...you don't make a decision to release something like this in 20 minutes...I'm sure it took several days to validate, verify and sign off on the op-ed. The timing is amazingly coincidental though.....
Remember, after the Access Hollywood tape came out, Ryan was ready to completely wash his hands of Trump. Then the base turned on him and backed Trump, and like a beaten cur, he learned his lesson and meekly submitted.
That's not to excuse his (or McConnell's) behavior. They're moral cowards who should be judged harshly. But we also shouldn't fool ourselves that, if only the GOP had leadership with a spine, Trump could be contained. And no matter who is leading the party, the fact that there are large numbers of people who support both Trump and Trumpism is going to be a problem in this country for years after he's left the scene.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I don't think necessarily assumed --it's that it is already known. Just about all of what was said in the op-ed has already been reported in newspaper articles and books. It's consistent with what we already know. I think the most significant change is the format from giving a reporter an off-the-record quote to a directly written op-ed, putting the focus more on the author than the content.
On Morning Joe - they were speculating that the genesis of the op-ed may have sprung from McCain's funeral - with all the talk of "country first".
Another thought I had was that maybe the person had a tip that the Woodward book might be coming out soon (because he had been one of his sources?)
Banger
Footballguy
I could definitely see that....and the show that real conservatism is not dead...they are just turning a blind eye until it's over
Banger
Footballguy
well that's certainly possible/likely...you probably wouldn't have to do a ton of work to find the release date of the book on Amazon and know Woodward would likely release it to the press a week before for PR/buzz purposes....
That specific reason would be pretty speculative - I imagine the Woodward sources have been talking to him for months without any sense of when the book would be published.
shader
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
“It’s the economy, stupid”
It’s really that simple. If the economy tanks his base will turn on him. It’s red hot (reasons why are irrelevant) so he gets support.
I don't think we have to wait for history. McConnell has done a ton to damage the Senate as an institution, and that goes back well before Trump. Ryan's pursuit of tax cuts at any cost is also deeply shameful.
timschochet
Footballguy
I strongly disagree with this. I used the word “fanatical” deliberately. IMO, economics has very little to do with the emotional level of the support for Trump among the Republican base. I think fear of a fast approaching non-white majority in this country is a much larger factor.
It's red hot for the upper class, only luke warm for the lower and middle class. And lower and middle class entitlements are being threatened.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
He's below 40% approval now with a fairly good economy (not as good as some would believe, there are underlying conditions that bode poorly for the long run but that kind of nuance will always escape conservatives who can be dazzled with "tax cuts!").
Who will be revealed to have written the "I am part of the resistance" New York Times Op-Ed?
Jeff Sessions+250
Mike Pence+350
John Kelly+450
James Mattis+450
Nikki Haley+1000
Javanka+2000
Dan Coats+500
Don McGahn+1500
Melania Trump+5000
Donald Trump+2500
Kellyane Conway+5000
Jeff Sessions+250
Mike Pence+350
John Kelly+450
James Mattis+450
Nikki Haley+1000
Javanka+2000
Dan Coats+500
Don McGahn+1500
Melania Trump+5000
Donald Trump+2500
Kellyane Conway+5000
If it were this he should be getting much larger support from independents and Democrats and he clearly is not. It says more about the remaining Republican deplorables.
timschochet
Footballguy
So stupid that Sessions is even on this list. He would never write “free minds, free markets” in a million years.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
There are valid arguments on both sides about whether the advisors are doing the best thing for the country -- at least in their own minds -- but it is beyond my grasp to believe that Kellyanne would ever even consider doing the "right thing" for its own sake.
Mnuchin doesn't have the balls to stand up to his wife, let alone the president. So, if it is him...we are all doomed.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I think Kellyanne is a reasonable possibility here. Consider:
1. Unlike Sessions, she is a libertarian type.
2. The criticism in the piece matches her concerns about Trump, publicly stated, before she joined the campaign.
3. Her husband detests Trump.
4. The day before the Op-Ed, that phone call was released between Trump and Woodward in which Trump threw Kellyanne under the bus, blamed her for the failure in communication.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
My guess is Kelly
Dedfin
Footballguy
I don't think Mnuchin cares about service to do anything like this. He's cashing checks, fool!
timschochet
Footballguy
He’s always agreed with Trump’s hard line on immigration, which doesn’t seem to match the “traditional Republican” vibe of the letter.
I just offered Kellyanne as a possibility, but in truth the most probable answer is somebody we’ve never heard of- a senior official who’s name is not really known to the public (for instance, Pence’s chief of staff, whoever that is.)
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