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Bloomberg 2020 (1 Viewer)

He's got deep pockets, he isn't crooked, and he isn't even the slightest bit intimidated by Trump. 

In this order, I think Trump roots for; Bernie, Mayor Pete, Warren, Biden....

Bloomberg.

The first 4 he'll make mincemeat of.
You see the Democratic base turning out for a Republican billionaire Iraq War cheerleader that endorsed Giuliani, promoted racist police tactics, is straightup attempting to buy the 2020 election and golfed with Trump?  I don’t.  

 
Did you live in NYC when he was mayor? Am curious how quick on his feet he is during a debate, how he comes across during speeches. 
I did. I honestly don't remember any debates, though they may well have happened. The three Dems he beat in his races were all pretty underwhelming, so I'm not sure how much he was ever truly challenged. Mark Green is a smart guy (even if everyone in NYC hates his guts), so if there are any YouTube clips floating around of their debates those would probably be the most instructive.

ETA: Found one! It's an hour long, so I'm not going to bother watching it, but knock yourself out.

 
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I don't remember much about Bloomberg debating Green in 2001 or if it even happened.  It was a hazy time, but what I do recall is I think Green was polling 30 points in front on 9/10/2001 (this may have been just as dem vs bloomberg choice though as I look at the Dem primary dates)  But 9/11 happens and it let Bloomberg was carried to a narrow win.   

EDIT: Here's their debate, have no watched it yet  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf8uLxdTy-E

 
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I did. I honestly don't remember any debates, though they may well have happened. The three Dems he beat in his races were all pretty underwhelming, so I'm not sure how much he was ever truly challenged. Mark Green is a smart guy (even if everyone in NYC hates his guts), so if there are any YouTube clips floating around of their debates those would probably be the most instructive.

ETA: Found one! It's an hour long, so I'm not going to bother watching it, but knock yourself out.
I’ll probably youtube a bit.

He did a bit of an interview a couple weeks back and it was very meh. He does like to mix it up with little Donald which I like (although everyone else seems to think only Trump gets to talk ####). 

 
You see the Democratic base turning out for a Republican billionaire Iraq War cheerleader that endorsed Giuliani, promoted racist police tactics, is straightup attempting to buy the 2020 election and golfed with Trump?  I don’t.  
Take a walk up Rockaway Avenue in Brownsville, have your life in legit danger, then please report back. 

 
I don't know about Bloomberg's viability with the D base. That being said, Would Bloomberg lose any state in which Biden/Mayor Pete/Bernie/Warren/Klobacher would win?    For every Bernie Bro that would abandon him.....I'd imagine there would be a Never Trumper or Independent who just doesn't like Trump who would vote for him.

 
I don't remember much about Bloomberg debating Green in 2001 or if it even happened.  It was a hazy time, but what I do recall is I think Green was polling 30 points in front on 9/10/2001 (this may have been just as dem vs bloomberg choice though as I look at the Dem primary dates)  But 9/11 happens and it let Bloomberg was carried to a narrow win.   

EDIT: Here's their debate, have no watched it yet  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf8uLxdTy-E
Yeah, that was a crazy few weeks ... I mean, obviously the attacks turned everything upside down, but specifically how it played out with the mayoral race. The Democratic runoff between Green and Freddy Ferrer was scheduled for Sept. 11, and was postponed a couple weeks due to the attacks. Before that happened, Rudy floated a plan to postpone the entire mayoral election so he could serve for a few more months, and incredibly, Green agreed to it! Everyone knew he and Rudy hated each other, so the fact that he went along with it just made him look weak. After a backlash, Rudy abandoned the idea.

Then like a week before the general election, Rudy cut a TV ad formally endorsing Bloomberg. He was at the absolute peak of his popularity at that point, so it made a huge difference. A couple days before the election, Green released a couple ads where he absolutely dumped the oppo kitchen sink on Bloomberg, which backfired spectacularly. The allegations were completely uncorroborated, and made Green look super desperate.

And despite all of that, Bloomberg still only won a 50/48 squeaker!

 
I don't know about Bloomberg's viability with the D base. That being said, Would Bloomberg lose any state in which Biden/Mayor Pete/Bernie/Warren/Klobacher would win?    For every Bernie Bro that would abandon him.....I'd imagine there would be a Never Trumper or Independent who just doesn't like Trump who would vote for him.
It's a lot of guessing at this point but I don't see Bloomberg as particularly strong in states like Michigan and Wisconsin.  

 
I don't know about Bloomberg's viability with the D base. That being said, Would Bloomberg lose any state in which Biden/Mayor Pete/Bernie/Warren/Klobacher would win?    For every Bernie Bro that would abandon him.....I'd imagine there would be a Never Trumper or Independent who just doesn't like Trump who would vote for him.
Would probably have a harder time winning back those Obama-Trump non-college-educated white voters in the Midwest who might be more amenable to a populist message, be it from Trump or Bernie and would resent a Jewish NYC billionaire who made his money on Wall Street.

 
:lmao:  what context can rescue that clip?
How about statistics? You know, hard numbers of actual crimes? 

But hey, screw math... He was quoting stats. 

IMO, it is a socioeconomic issue, but the numbers are numbers and that was what he was speaking to in that snipped edited quote.

My gut says a portion of the anti-Bloomberg crowd are antisemites :shrug:

 
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You see the Democratic base turning out for a Republican billionaire Iraq War cheerleader that endorsed Giuliani, promoted racist police tactics, is straightup attempting to buy the 2020 election and golfed with Trump?  I don’t.  
Bloomberg endorsed Rudy? When, in 2008? I don't think that's true.

Giuliani definitely endorsed Bloomberg in 2001, but I'm not aware of Mike returning the favor.

Or did you mean Bloomberg endorsed Bush? Because that is definitely true. I view that as one of his least defensible actions.

 
How about statistics? You know, hard numbers of actual crimes? 

But hey, screw math... He was quoting stats. 

IMO, it is a socioeconomic issue, but the numbers are numbers and that was what he was speaking to in that snipped edited. 

My gut says a portion of the anti-Bloomberg crowd are antisemites :shrug:
Is it true 95% of murders in NYC are committed by minorities? 

 
Like I said, it is a socioeconomic issue that needs to be addressed at the core, and nothing will change these numbers until that happens... I've yet to hear any real solutions from anyone. 

 
How about statistics? You know, hard numbers of actual crimes? 

But hey, screw math... He was quoting stats. 

IMO, it is a socioeconomic issue, but the numbers are numbers and that was what he was speaking to in that snipped edited quote.

My gut says a portion of the anti-Bloomberg crowd are antisemites :shrug:
:lmao:  so you can reject outright racism in front of you, but you can infer anti Semitic intentions?

wait til the people supporting bernie over bloomy get the bad news

 
Yeah, that was a crazy few weeks ... I mean, obviously the attacks turned everything upside down, but specifically how it played out with the mayoral race. The Democratic runoff between Green and Freddy Ferrer was scheduled for Sept. 11, and was postponed a couple weeks due to the attacks. Before that happened, Rudy floated a plan to postpone the entire mayoral election so he could serve for a few more months, and incredibly, Green agreed to it! Everyone knew he and Rudy hated each other, so the fact that he went along with it just made him look weak. After a backlash, Rudy abandoned the idea.

Then like a week before the general election, Rudy cut a TV ad formally endorsing Bloomberg. He was at the absolute peak of his popularity at that point, so it made a huge difference. A couple days before the election, Green released a couple ads where he absolutely dumped the oppo kitchen sink on Bloomberg, which backfired spectacularly. The allegations were completely uncorroborated, and made Green look super desperate.

And despite all of that, Bloomberg still only won a 50/48 squeaker!
OK, just looked up the Wikipedia page on the election to refresh my memory. Sept. 11 was the scheduled date for the original primary, not the runoff as I had claimed. It was then held on the 25th, and Ferrer beat Green 35/30. The runoff election between those two took place on Oct. 11.

The other thing that happened during that period was that someone distributed anti-Ferrer flyers criticizing his alliance with Al Sharpton that were viewed as racist (I think they showed Ferrer kissing Sharpton's butt). Green denied having anything to do with them, which was later born out, but it left bad feelings among the black/Latino communities even after he narrowly defeated Ferrer in the runoff, and almost certainly helped Bloomberg hold his margins down among those groups in the general.

 
What is the argument you are attempting to have?  Because I don't think it's the same discussion the rest of us are having.
You said I didn't address Ren's point when he called tactics racist. They aren't racist, nor was the clip of Bloomberg... He was speaking to stats, but move the goalposts a little, I feel like liberals are excellent at that. 

Stop & frisk addresses the issue at the point of attack, it doesn't address the issue at its core, which again, is a socioeconomic issue.

 
:lmao:  so you can reject outright racism in front of you, but you can infer anti Semitic intentions?

wait til the people supporting bernie over bloomy get the bad news
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Bernie bros have no chance, they couldn't even topple Hillary, yet alone Trump. We don't need a lot of the delusional Bernie Bros, we need the fringe Trump supporters, which Bloomberg will get.

Oh, and apparently the hard stats are racist.

 
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You said I didn't address Ren's point when he called tactics racist. They aren't racist, nor was the clip of Bloomberg... He was speaking to stats, but move the goalposts a little, I feel like liberals are excellent at that. 

Stop & frisk addresses the issue at the point of attack, it doesn't address the issue at its core, which again, is a socioeconomic issue.
Ren's point was that Bloomberg would have a difficult time appealing to big chunks of the Democratic base.  Whether or not you think his policies were justified isn't responsive.

 
Ren's point was that Bloomberg would have a difficult time appealing to big chunks of the Democratic base.  Whether or not you think his policies were justified isn't responsive.
It's a shame that base is all over the place, no one candidate can address it. That, in itself, will give us 4 more years of Trump. 

 
Bloomberg endorsed Rudy? When, in 2008? I don't think that's true.

Giuliani definitely endorsed Bloomberg in 2001, but I'm not aware of Mike returning the favor.

Or did you mean Bloomberg endorsed Bush? Because that is definitely true. I view that as one of his least defensible actions.
Well, I got it from this clip of Chris Christie.  Haven't seen it myself though.  He did respond affirmatively that Rudy Giuliani would be a good governor in 2009.  

 
Bloomberg endorsed Pat Toomey in 2016.  This isn't ancient history.  

ETA:  And it's not some isolated incident.  He has a long history of endorsing and contributing to Republicans.  Apparently he also endorsed and gave large contributions to some Republicans in 2018.

Politico article

 
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De Blasio, super liberal mayor 2019

Bloomberg's last year as mayor of NYC

Looking at these numbers, not sure how his tactics were so racist :shrug:  

The percentages are higher against whites and lower against blacks with the racist Bloomberg at mayor.
It's not a mystery man, lol.  He's on tape saying they stop whites too much, and minorities too little.  Anyone with functioning blinkers, most of all black voters, can see that the criminal justice system is disproportionately racist against minorities.  It's racist against them because of the ideology of people like Mike Bloomberg.  There are no book reports or PD stats that can make that go away.  They will turn their backs on him and he will deserve it.  

 
same reasons as with Democrats and Trump in 2016 - make a pledge day one to impeach him at some point I guess 
Yeah...and just happen to get lifelong Republicans in the intelligence and diplomatic communities to spearhead the efforts.  It's laughable that someone can, with a straight face, say there's absolutely no reason the Mueller investigation or impeachment should have occurred, but you do you, SC.

 
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Bernie bros have no chance, they couldn't even topple Hillary, yet alone Trump. We don't need a lot of the delusional Bernie Bros, we need the fringe Trump supporters, which Bloomberg will get.

Oh, and apparently the hard stats are racist.
The fix was  in or haven’t you heard?

 
More posts about Trump in the Bloomberg thread than there are about Bloomberg.

Tells me everything I need to know. 

 
Yeah...and just happen to get lifelong Republicans in the intelligence and diplomatic communities to spearhead the efforts.  It's laughable that someone can, with a straight face, say there's absolutely no reason the Mueller investigation or impeachment should have occurred, but you do you, SC.
now to be fair ... Democrats day 1 of Trump's presidency called for impeachment right ?  that the end result is all that matters and just finding the means to get there ..... seems a bit premeditated doesn't it? Trump wasn't found to have done anything wrong with Russia nor with Ukraine nor with anything else

so if the "reasons" for those witch hunts seem valid to you, I suppose that's fine..... which is why I said start looking for impeachable offenses for Bloomberg before November, get a jump on it, right ? 

actually any of them ... Buttigieg or Bernie or Amy ... get dirt on them all right now so if one gets elected, start moving towards impeaching in Jan 2021

isn't that what DNC did ? 

 
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Well it's the wrong one.  Let's get the candidate best suited to help the citizens of the US.  The Trump stuff will take care of itself.
You haven't been paying close attention to US politics if you still believe in this ideal.  This is not a time for 'how things should be.'  We gotta play the cards we're dealt.

 
now to be fair ... Democrats day 1 of Trump's presidency called for impeachment right ?  that the end result is all that matters and just finding the means to get there ..... seems a bit premeditated doesn't it? Trump wasn't found to have done anything wrong with Russia nor with Ukraine nor with anything else

so if the "reasons" for those witch hunts seem valid to you, I suppose that's fine..... which is why I said start looking for impeachable offenses for Bloomberg before November, get a jump on it, right ? 
So, just so I have this right, your theory is that the Dems wanted to get Trump out without cause and the "means to get there" was to work with lifelong Republicans in the intelligence and diplomatic communities to draw up some false stories to get it done.  Therefore, all the testimony from these people is just part of the conspiracy, and they're all just dogs being directed by Democrats.  Does that about sum it up?   

 
You haven't been paying close attention to US politics if you still believe in this ideal.  This is not a time for 'how things should be.'  We gotta play the cards we're dealt.
This!

I think people that support Bernie truly don't get it. He is a socialist, it isn't a secret. I'm 110% confident Trump is sitting on a treasure trove waiting to destroy this guy... He's waiting until it's too late for the Dems to reverse course on Bernie and then he starts firing his bullets. He def doesn't have the same ammunition against Bloomberg.

As much as I hate Trump, and I think he is a liar that cares about billionaires only and nobody else, if my choice is the dictator where I can keep my life status quo or a socialist, I have to stay home and suck it up for another 4 years. I'd prob write Mike in as a protest vote, but sadly, those are the cards I'm dealt.

I can't and won't vote for Bernie... By the time Trump is done with Bernie, I think it will be a landslide victory for him. 

 

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