it's a website where you can post content and associate a payment for users to contribute. Some have different levels of contribution for different levels of content, some are a flat fee, and some are pay what you wish, I think.This may be a very dumb question...what is patreon?
Nah man, the mods didn't remove the post. I removed it.
it's too bad, because everyone loved the info, but i get what it's like when it feels more like a grind.Nah man, the mods didn't remove the post. I removed it.
I had family and friends telling me that I'm a moron for putting so much time and effort into something and handing it out for free. And after taking a step back and looking at it I kind of had to agree. Monetizing what I was doing didn't seem like a realistic goal either.
I'm generally going to be taking a bit of a break. Even though I'm still in a bunch of leagues and have a fair share of money invested I'm noticing diminishing returns on the time I'm investing. I loved doing it but I don't think it was sustainable.
I figured that was going to happen at some point.Nah man, the mods didn't remove the post. I removed it.
I had family and friends telling me that I'm a moron for putting so much time and effort into something and handing it out for free. And after taking a step back and looking at it I kind of had to agree. Monetizing what I was doing didn't seem like a realistic goal either.
I'm generally going to be taking a bit of a break. Even though I'm still in a bunch of leagues and have a fair share of money invested I'm noticing diminishing returns on the time I'm investing. I loved doing it but I don't think it was sustainable.
It's a lot of work for one person to do. Just an idea... if you put some feelers out there, I'm sure you could find some people to help share the load. I know I'd be down to plug that data in for a handful of teams. Get like 4-5 volunteers and give editing permission to them and suddenly what was once a grind for one is relatively light work for a team.Nah man, the mods didn't remove the post. I removed it.
I had family and friends telling me that I'm a moron for putting so much time and effort into something and handing it out for free. And after taking a step back and looking at it I kind of had to agree. Monetizing what I was doing didn't seem like a realistic goal either.
I'm generally going to be taking a bit of a break. Even though I'm still in a bunch of leagues and have a fair share of money invested I'm noticing diminishing returns on the time I'm investing. I loved doing it but I don't think it was sustainable.
but totally understandable. And thanks again for doing it all along.SameSongNDance said:Nah man, the mods didn't remove the post. I removed it.
I had family and friends telling me that I'm a moron for putting so much time and effort into something and handing it out for free. And after taking a step back and looking at it I kind of had to agree. Monetizing what I was doing didn't seem like a realistic goal either.
I'm generally going to be taking a bit of a break. Even though I'm still in a bunch of leagues and have a fair share of money invested I'm noticing diminishing returns on the time I'm investing. I loved doing it but I don't think it was sustainable.
Big thanks to you for all the work you've put in here over the years. Your analysis is one of the best parts of these forums.SameSongNDance said:Nah man, the mods didn't remove the post. I removed it.
I had family and friends telling me that I'm a moron for putting so much time and effort into something and handing it out for free. And after taking a step back and looking at it I kind of had to agree. Monetizing what I was doing didn't seem like a realistic goal either.
I'm generally going to be taking a bit of a break. Even though I'm still in a bunch of leagues and have a fair share of money invested I'm noticing diminishing returns on the time I'm investing. I loved doing it but I don't think it was sustainable.
I am sure plenty of us would be willing to help cover the expense.Perhaps there is a programmer on these boards willing to write code that would scrape the data and fill the sheet automatically. That process would be a chore to set up, but would streamline the weekly workload thereafter.
Anyone with those talents willing to do so?
You have to pay for the site that I use that provides the snap data.The film cut ups that SSND has done very useful to share and I enjoyed sharing the discovery experience of some players with that along the way.
I totally understand wanting to focus time on something else. Perhaps some one else could pick up the baton.
@SameSongNDance where were you downloading the snaps from?
Pro-Football-Reference provides them but and they have utilization. Both of which can be put into spreadsheets fairly easily but to get the info as easily accessible as you provide obviously takes a ton of work.I do think there are sites where you can get the snap counts for free I just don't know how quickly they update and if they're organized in a way that makes them easy to input into a spreadsheet. Try footballoutsiders.com or airyards.com.
Well, I'm a casual player that doesn't claim to be anything but, so I never really used your stuff (unless -- and occasionally, IIRC, I saw the film stuff) too in-depth, but it sounds like it was a real useful tool and that many people benefitted from your aggregation of film, information, and analysis. It's too bad you never got the recognition or publicity you deserved for your efforts.You have to pay for the site that I use that provides the snap data.
There are a lot of angles to this. I don't actually want to stop but I feel like my hand has been forced and I have to at least stop sharing what I do.
I've been providing a service to this site and to the benefit of it's owners for years for free without so much as a "thanks." Maybe they don't visit the forums or think they're valuable, I don't know.
I'm also possibly competing against some of the people who have been getting access to the spreadsheet.
What I was doing was objectively dumb. I'll probably continue to update the spreadsheet for my own sake as I can't imagine trying to compete without it but I just won't be sharing it. I'm obviously not posting videos or sharing my analysis of them or the spreadsheet anymore either.
#### sucks.
INI appreciate the idea @Chaka. I was going to do something like that but figured only a handful of people would be interested in actually paying anything and it wasn't worth setting up. It's hard to gauge. When I continue with the spreadsheet I could just make a tier on patreon that allows people access to it for some amount of money. But me recording videos and summarizing trends had to end, it was hilariously time consuming.
You are right that any competitive advantage you may have gained by this is diminished if people you are competing against are using it against you.SameSongNDance said:You have to pay for the site that I use that provides the snap data.
There are a lot of angles to this. I don't actually want to stop but I feel like my hand has been forced and I have to at least stop sharing what I do.
I've been providing a service to this site and to the benefit of it's owners for years for free without so much as a "thanks." Maybe they don't visit the forums or think they're valuable, I don't know.
I'm also possibly competing against some of the people who have been getting access to the spreadsheet.
What I was doing was objectively dumb. I'll probably continue to update the spreadsheet for my own sake as I can't imagine trying to compete without it but I just won't be sharing it. I'm obviously not posting videos or sharing my analysis of them or the spreadsheet anymore either.
#### sucks.
Just to echo Chaka's sentiment - I'd be in for any or all of the options you wanted to offer. I have several friends that play in other leagues for larger $$$ than I do that I have a feeling would gladly pony up as well. Growth by word of mouth is still a powerful force, even in the social media era.I appreciate the idea @Chaka. I was going to do something like that but figured only a handful of people would be interested in actually paying anything and it wasn't worth setting up. It's hard to gauge. When I continue with the spreadsheet I could just make a tier on patreon that allows people access to it for some amount of money. But me recording videos and summarizing trends had to end, it was hilariously time consuming.
Hi @SameSongNDance Thanks for the contributions on the board. I'm thankful to everyone who posts great content and I should do a better job of individually thanking them. My apologies. Sorry to hear you won't be continuing but I fully understand. The work to reward has to balance and that's different for everyone. Best to you in all you're doing and thanks the great posts. All the best to you.SameSongNDance said:You have to pay for the site that I use that provides the snap data.
There are a lot of angles to this. I don't actually want to stop but I feel like my hand has been forced and I have to at least stop sharing what I do.
I've been providing a service to this site and to the benefit of it's owners for years for free without so much as a "thanks." Maybe they don't visit the forums or think they're valuable, I don't know.
I'm also possibly competing against some of the people who have been getting access to the spreadsheet.
What I was doing was objectively dumb. I'll probably continue to update the spreadsheet for my own sake as I can't imagine trying to compete without it but I just won't be sharing it. I'm obviously not posting videos or sharing my analysis of them or the spreadsheet anymore either.
#### sucks.
Thanks for the kind words and I completely agree. If this were my profession I wouldn't care if I was helping out competition. But as it stood my labor of love sort of started to feel like free labor. I don't think it was completely one-sided though, as I did find the input from people on this board useful and it did help me tailor the spreadsheet and my process.FWIW, my thought on the "I'm also possibly competing against some of the people who have been getting access to the spreadsheet."
This is a decision I think everyone in the industry has to make. I think you have to be either all in on one side or the other there. If you're going to give advice, you have to throw out any consideration whatsoever that you're helping someone you compete against. That's just life. I don't think it's possible to do a good job giving information if you're holding back any at all.
They give it for free on Wednesdays, also Pat Mayo updates snap counts on Twitter by Monday night, however he does occasionally skip a few players.I do think there are sites where you can get the snap counts for free I just don't know how quickly they update and if they're organized in a way that makes them easy to input into a spreadsheet. Try footballoutsiders.com or airyards.com.
Yeah also sharpfootballstats.com has them. That site is just generally amazing.They give it for free on Wednesdays, also Pat Mayo updates snap counts on Twitter by Monday night, however he does occasionally skip a few players.
Bolded, another great site if you don't mind processing graphical data.Yeah also sharpfootballstats.com has them. That site is just generally amazing.
Lol I do the same, yeah we'd get along. I appreciate the kind words man. And trust me I completely understand where you're when you say you don't pay for ff advice. Part of the game is squeezing out every ounce of value from free resources.Ssnd. I have enjoyed this thread the past couple years and it has helped me make and have confidence in my decisions so thank you for that. I know that it's not the same as making money but just know that I'm sure many others feel the same. I don't pay for ffb information or advice but if I did I would follow you. Also The Matrix was my all-time favorite movie so I'm sure we'd get along in real life. Take care brother.
I also wanted to add that I was going nuts when I was doing my workout frantically doing searches looking for your old thread that you took down. I usually work out when I watch the condensed games each week and I finally had to stop working out and get serious about my searching until I found this thread and realize oops it's gone forever. Sad day
Not only do I blame you for this situation but I've started blaming you for anything that goes wrong in my everyday life.It's my fault, I told him to monetize his work & told him about Patreon
I'm actually not sure how I've missed this over the years and have never even seen it. That being said, all the talk has me curious and it obviously is very helpful. You're of course welcome to charge as you see fit for the value of your time, I just don't think PERSONALLY it would be worth $135 for the rest of the season for me. I hope to see you get up to 60 Patrons though, seems like you put a lot of work in.I'm still making posting about spreadsheet observations but it's on reddit and it's not all encompassing.
I can't alter Patreon's payment schedule or the tier price after I've initiated it which sucks. But you can technically just become a patron for a month and cancel and still get access to the spreadsheet. And I guess it would be $30 for the rest of the season. It's kind of what I envisioned when I started it.I'm actually not sure how I've missed this over the years and have never even seen it. That being said, all the talk has me curious and it obviously is very helpful. You're of course welcome to charge as you see fit for the value of your time, I just don't think PERSONALLY it would be worth $135 for the rest of the season for me. I hope to see you get up to 60 Patrons though, seems like you put a lot of work in.
For the record, that is the current total pledged amount to SSND. The tier pricing is on the right sidebar.I'm actually not sure how I've missed this over the years and have never even seen it. That being said, all the talk has me curious and it obviously is very helpful. You're of course welcome to charge as you see fit for the value of your time, I just don't think PERSONALLY it would be worth $135 for the rest of the season for me. I hope to see you get up to 60 Patrons though, seems like you put a lot of work in.
I can't alter Patreon's payment schedule or the tier price after I've initiated it which sucks. But you can technically just become a patron for a month and cancel and still get access to the spreadsheet. And I guess it would be $30 for the rest of the season. It's kind of what I envisioned when I started it.
We'll see, I'm constantly building on it.
Ah ok didn't see that, my bad. Thought it was $45/month like I saw on the left side.For the record, that is the current total pledged amount to SSND. The tier pricing is on the right sidebar.