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Just now, Megla said:

Thanks for the read, hadn't seen it

Not going to pretend I understand much of either but I get the gist I think. The paper from the Finnish dudes hasn't gone through any serious peer review.

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

Not going to pretend I understand much of either but I get the gist I think. The paper from the Finnish dudes hasn't gone through any serious peer review.

That's what I got from the article you posted

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2 hours ago, The General said:

infowars needs refuting?

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26 minutes ago, joffer said:

infowars needs refuting?

I didn't even really pay attention just googled the name of the guys who did it.

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7 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

Yeah this whole global warming thing is a U.N. agenda 21 propaganda show. 

Huh?  You realize thats infowars right?  And already been refuted in this thread.

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2 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:
50 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Huh?  You realize thats infowars right?  And already been refuted in this thread.

Huh? Have you not heard Ocommunist Cortez speak? She said we need a Marshall plan for climate change. Sounds pretty one world government and U.N. Agenda 21 to me.

The Marshall Plan was specifically designed to oppose the "one-world-government" model.

I mean, come on. Learn about history before repeating phrases that you hear.

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23 hours ago, The General said:

I read through some of this and the list of contributors is impressive. Wonder who the crowd sourced funders are? Sounds like the U.N. and congress people like Cortez have a great plan to prevent total cataclysmic climate change and help all of the world’s people become “equal.” 

Open borders, high density housing and mass transit all tracked on 5G networks. You get x many carbon credits a month. Disagree with any government sponsored group think and you lose your credits. Facial recognition and phone tracking keep us all in line or else. Sounds utopian right? 

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30 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

I read through some of this and the list of contributors is impressive. Wonder who the crowd sourced funders are? Sounds like the U.N. and congress people like Cortez have a great plan to prevent total cataclysmic climate change and help all of the world’s people become “equal.” 

Open borders, high density housing and mass transit all tracked on 5G networks. You get x many carbon credits a month. Disagree with any government sponsored group think and you lose your credits. Facial recognition and phone tracking keep us all in line or else. Sounds utopian right? 

Emotional appeals are so persuasive. Unless you are someone who, you know, prefers facts and logic.

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44 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

I read through some of this and the list of contributors is impressive. Wonder who the crowd sourced funders are? Sounds like the U.N. and congress people like Cortez have a great plan to prevent total cataclysmic climate change and help all of the world’s people become “equal.” 

Open borders, high density housing and mass transit all tracked on 5G networks. You get x many carbon credits a month. Disagree with any government sponsored group think and you lose your credits. Facial recognition and phone tracking keep us all in line or else. Sounds utopian right? 

Cortez isn't in the refuted article. Who is Cortez?

 

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23 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

My tinfoil hat will protect me from climate change.

At the very least, in this weather, it will make you a tasty crispy brown. 

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38 minutes ago, Mario Kart said:

Cortez isn't in the refuted article. Who is Cortez?

 

The grand Illuminati bilderberg wizard.

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1 hour ago, pinkham13 said:

I read through some of this and the list of contributors is impressive. Wonder who the crowd sourced funders are? Sounds like the U.N. and congress people like Cortez have a great plan to prevent total cataclysmic climate change and help all of the world’s people become “equal.” 

Open borders, high density housing and mass transit all tracked on 5G networks. You get x many carbon credits a month. Disagree with any government sponsored group think and you lose your credits. Facial recognition and phone tracking keep us all in line or else. Sounds utopian right? 

I’m surprised you are letting the leftist new world order track your communications on the internet. Pretty bold move. 

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19 hours ago, pinkham13 said:

Huh? Have you not heard Ocommunist Cortez speak? She said we need a Marshall plan for climate change. Sounds pretty one world government and U.N. Agenda 21 to me.

Please don't. This was instantly reported. We've asked people not use nicknames like this. 

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2 hours ago, FBG Moderator said:

Please don't. This was instantly reported. We've asked people not use nicknames like this. 

I can see why people call this place an echo chamber. Someone called me a dying breed on this board because I disagreed with the preferred narrative. No admonishment for an implied threat to said poster but if I criticize communist viewpoints and calling them out on it is hate speech or ban worthy? Sad state of affairs for the first amendment and huge double standards on this board.

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2 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

I can see why people call this place an echo chamber. Someone called me a dying breed on this board because I disagreed with the preferred narrative. No admonishment for an implied threat to said poster but if I criticize communist viewpoints and calling them out on it is hate speech or ban worthy? Sad state of affairs for the first amendment and huge double standards on this board.

That isnt a threat or even an implied one.

Her viewpoints are not communist either.

Also, the first amendment doesn't apply.  And there was no double standard applied.

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Bernie Sanders is a card carrying communist. Is that also objectionable around here? He said so himself. Is that considered a nickname too? Or are we not allowed to criticize the government in here?

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7 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

Bernie Sanders is a card carrying communist. ... He said so himself. ...

Sorry, before we go further I'd like some link for Sanders saying that he was a member of the CPUSA.

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I'm still trying to figure out who is Cortez? Must be something like Pizzagate... a made up noun... or is it an adjective... or a verb... or an adverb? So confused.

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26 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

Bernie Sanders is a card carrying communist. Is that also objectionable around here? He said so himself. Is that considered a nickname too? Or are we not allowed to criticize the government in here?

Do you really not know the difference between communism and socialism?

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31 minutes ago, pinkham13 said:

Bernie Sanders is a card carrying communist. Is that also objectionable around here? He said so himself. Is that considered a nickname too? Or are we not allowed to criticize the government in here?

Its objectionable because its just flat out false.

 

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8 minutes ago, bananafish said:

Do you really not know the difference between communism and socialism?

Or apparently the difference between expressing one’s opinion and calling someone a name.  

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On 7/20/2019 at 6:48 PM, pinkham13 said:

I can see why people call this place an echo chamber. Someone called me a dying breed on this board because I disagreed with the preferred narrative. No admonishment for an implied threat to said poster but if I criticize communist viewpoints and calling them out on it is hate speech or ban worthy? Sad state of affairs for the first amendment and huge double standards on this board.

Thanks but no. Report what you see that's over the line. Thanks. 

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On 7/20/2019 at 5:48 PM, pinkham13 said:

I can see why people call this place an echo chamber. Someone called me a dying breed on this board because I disagreed with the preferred narrative. No admonishment for an implied threat to said poster but if I criticize communist viewpoints and calling them out on it is hate speech or ban worthy? Sad state of affairs for the first amendment and huge double standards on this board.

I didn't post that, not sure who did, but that's a folksy saying, not a threat. 

Example

FWIW

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Anyways...

Andrew Cuomo has signed the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act. The bill requires New York's electricity to be 70% carbon-free by 2030 and 100% carbon-free by 2040, with a grand target of statewide net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, consistent with the IPCC's recommendations. New York is the nation's third-largest economy - this is a pretty big deal. Hopefully more states will follow suit.

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14 hours ago, FF Ninja said:

The other day I noticed a funny little banner at the top of the EPA's website:

"We've made some changes to EPA.gov. If the information you are looking for is not here, you may be able to find it on the EPA web archive or the January 19, 2017 Web Snapshot."

The Deep State is alive and well! 

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3 hours ago, caustic said:

The other day I noticed a funny little banner at the top of the EPA's website:

"We've made some changes to EPA.gov. If the information you are looking for is not here, you may be able to find it on the EPA web archive or the January 19, 2017 Web Snapshot."

The Deep State is alive and well! 

Hopefully it can be found from Jan 21, 2021 also

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Ohio just passed the worst energy bill of the 21st century

In short, Ohio agreed to bail out some aging, expensive coal and nuclear plants while gutting renewable energy and efficiency standards. As you might imagine, the politicians who pushed this bill had received major campaign contributions from the utilities being bailed out. Trump makes an appearance here as well - his Ohio campaign manager was a force behind the bailout, citing the need to keep Ohio coal jobs viable heading into 2020.

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18 minutes ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Isn't nuclear clean?  IIRC, they have been shutting down primarily because shale gas is so cheap.  

is the waste clean?

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7 hours ago, caustic said:

Ohio just passed the worst energy bill of the 21st century

In short, Ohio agreed to bail out some aging, expensive coal and nuclear plants while gutting renewable energy and efficiency standards. As you might imagine, the politicians who pushed this bill had received major campaign contributions from the utilities being bailed out. Trump makes an appearance here as well - his Ohio campaign manager was a force behind the bailout, citing the need to keep Ohio coal jobs viable heading into 2020.

FirstEnergy Solutions (spin off of FirstEnergy but contains only failing/bankrupt plants) will collect $197.6 million from new fees on Ohioans' electric bills.

WV just gave FirstEnergy Solutions a $12.5 million  tax break for a plant that is planned to shut down in 2022.

http://wvmetronews.com/2019/07/23/house-passes-bill-meant-to-relieve-financially-troubled-power-plant/

And then this, yesterday: Lawmakers wish lawsuit had been disclosed prior to votes on power plant bill

"What legislators did not know was that a company owned by Gov. Jim Justice and his family is in an active federal lawsuit with FirstEnergy Solutions, which claims it is owed a $3 million final payout on a coal deal."

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1 hour ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Isn't nuclear clean?  IIRC, they have been shutting down primarily because shale gas is so cheap.  

I believe you are correct, especially regarding OH. When cheaper fossil fuels are readily available, as is the case in Ohio, nuclear becomes more expensive.

Economics of Nuclear Power

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6 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

Isn't nuclear clean?  IIRC, they have been shutting down primarily because shale gas is so cheap.  

Right. Nuclear is clean but in certain parts of the country it’s getting its ### kicked by cheaper natural gas, wind, and solar.

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11 hours ago, boots11234 said:

The best way to combat this is raising the world out of poverty. 

stemming population growth should be the number one priority if we are serious about climate change 

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3 hours ago, TripItUp said:

stemming population growth should be the number one priority if we are serious about climate change 

That doesn't seem to be a problem in this country.  We are already having to rely on immigration to keep pace with those who are dying...new births alone isn't getting it.

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4 hours ago, TripItUp said:

stemming population growth should be the number one priority if we are serious about climate change 

nope

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15 hours ago, msommer said:

is the waste clean?

Is the waste from solar panels clean?

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7 hours ago, TripItUp said:

stemming population growth should be the number one priority if we are serious about climate change 

What does this do if the people inhabiting the planet treat it like a garbage dump? 

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7 hours ago, TripItUp said:

stemming population growth should be the number one priority if we are serious about climate change 

We pretty much have the blueprint for this - give girls in the developing world access to education and family planning. Some climate activists, like Paul Hawken, claim that this is the #1 policy for preventing emissions: This Book Ranks the Top 100 Solutions to Climate Change. The Results are Surprising.

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The number one solution, in terms of potential impact? A combination of educating girls and family planning, which together could reduce 120 gigatons of CO2-equivalent by 2050 — more than on- and offshore wind power combined (99 GT).

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David Roberts: One thing that jumps out is how different this list looks from what gets discussed most in the media -- wind, solar, CCS. Did you go in expecting your list to look more like conventional wisdom?

Paul Hawken: We thought at least the top of the list would — solar, wind, wind, solar. Because that’s what you hear from Charles Ferguson, Al Gore, [Jeffrey] Sachs, or Christiana Figueres. They’re all saying the same thing.

It’s understandable — 62 percent of the [greenhouse gas] molecules up there came from fossil fuel combustion, so you just invert it, right? It makes sense. It just doesn’t work out that way. If you take solar, which is eight and 10 [on the list], and wind, which is two and 22, and you combine them, they are definitely near the top. But you can’t model on- and off-shore wind the same, because the economics are vastly different. And you can’t model rooftop and solar farms in the same model. So in some cases we broke things up that people think of as aggregated.

But even then, the number one solution is educating girls and family planning.

 

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