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Climate Change thread: UN Report: we need to take action (3 Viewers)

Based on the priority and quantity of airtime given during the debates this issue is once again headed to the "all talk, no action" trash bin. We'll rejoin the Paris Accord but that will not translate into anything meaningful.

The Dems' are going to spend all their newfound political capital on short-term issues like wealth inequality, free college, gun control, immigration, etc.

Same as it ever was.

 
PhantomJB said:
Based on the priority and quantity of airtime given during the debates this issue is once again headed to the "all talk, no action" trash bin. We'll rejoin the Paris Accord but that will not translate into anything meaningful.

The Dems' are going to spend all their newfound political capital on short-term issues like wealth inequality, free college, gun control, immigration, etc.

Same as it ever was.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone refer to wealth inequality, education, and immigration as "short term issues" before. 

 
PhantomJB said:
Based on the priority and quantity of airtime given during the debates this issue is once again headed to the "all talk, no action" trash bin. We'll rejoin the Paris Accord but that will not translate into anything meaningful.

The Dems' are going to spend all their newfound political capital on short-term issues like wealth inequality, free college, gun control, immigration, etc.

Same as it ever was.
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4 years ago it wasn’t even brought up in a single debate. I’ll take the fact that it is  a priority with many of the candidates and regard that as a success for now. 

 
PhantomJB said:
Based on the priority and quantity of airtime given during the debates this issue is once again headed to the "all talk, no action" trash bin. We'll rejoin the Paris Accord but that will not translate into anything meaningful.

The Dems' are going to spend all their newfound political capital on short-term issues like wealth inequality, free college, gun control, immigration, etc.

Same as it ever was.
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timschochet said:
4 years ago it wasn’t even brought up in a single debate. I’ll take the fact that it is  a priority with many of the candidates and regard that as a success for now. 
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We can do better. Fortunately we have. 

After the DNC completely stonewalled the idea of a dedicated climate debate it looks like Gizmodo and New Republic have stepped up with their own separate event in September.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/why-we-re-challenging-the-2020-democrats-to-a-climate-s-1836054450?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosgenerate&stream=top#_ga=2.10865968.508472240.1562946818-14291183.1562946818

Meanwhile, I have no idea how an issue like climate change can somehow get relegated to the 3rd page of a Political Forum.

 
Lindsay Graham is sounding the alarm: 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-climate-change/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Hey look he’s not one of my favorite politicians. In fact ever since 2017 he’s behaved like a little weasel and I’m especially disgusted by his performance during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 

 
timschochet said:
Lindsay Graham is sounding the alarm: 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-climate-change/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Hey look he’s not one of my favorite politicians. In fact ever since 2017 he’s behaved like a little weasel and I’m especially disgusted by his performance during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 
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This means nothing until he DOES something :shrug:  

 
timschochet said:
Lindsay Graham is sounding the alarm: 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-climate-change/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Hey look he’s not one of my favorite politicians. In fact ever since 2017 he’s behaved like a little weasel and I’m especially disgusted by his performance during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 
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"Climate change is real, the science is sound and the solutions are available," Graham said in April. "If I told Trump that [special counsel Robert] Mueller thinks climate change is a hoax, we'd be well on our way."

Could also substitute "Obama" for "Mueller".

 
timschochet said:
Lindsay Graham is sounding the alarm: 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-climate-change/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Hey look he’s not one of my favorite politicians. In fact ever since 2017 he’s behaved like a little weasel and I’m especially disgusted by his performance during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 
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He is not doing this for reelection.  Trump supporters are going to nail him on this

 
timschochet said:
Lindsay Graham is sounding the alarm: 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-climate-change/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Hey look he’s not one of my favorite politicians. In fact ever since 2017 he’s behaved like a little weasel and I’m especially disgusted by his performance during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 
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So what?  By being a Trump lackey he is enabling Trump to make the situation worse.

 
The Commish said:
Stop and think about where they've convinced you to set your bar tim....
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I’ve set my bar on reality. Are you expecting we’re going to get a Democratic President, Senate and House with filibuster proof majorities any time soon? Because if we don’t, we need Republicans on our side on this issue. 

 
timschochet said:
Lindsay Graham is sounding the alarm: 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-climate-change/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

Hey look he’s not one of my favorite politicians. In fact ever since 2017 he’s behaved like a little weasel and I’m especially disgusted by his performance during the Kavanaugh hearings. 

But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 
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He absolutely is a little two-faced spineless weasel: source.

So this should be seen as a shocking development that even he would speak out about climate change, since up until now he's been a bootlicker.

 
timschochet said:
I’ve set my bar on reality. Are you expecting we’re going to get a Democratic President, Senate and House with filibuster proof majorities any time soon? Because if we don’t, we need Republicans on our side on this issue. 
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I am not sure what this even means.  It's proven, unquestionable FACT that politicians will do the absolute bare minimum to clear expectations of them.  They are like water...the path of least resistance.  Things will NEVER ever ever ever ever get better if you continue to lower the bar.  That you associate his lip service with progress simply tells him all he needs to provide is lip service.

 
SoBeDad said:
The first Republican to pleasantly  surprise me on this issue was DiSantis, governor of the 3rd most populous state. He even appointed a Chief Science Officer and said let the science drive policy. Many younger Republicans have finally come around, even Matt Gaetz. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-desantis-climate-change-20190528-zxfc3aq4qbc5xnre27i4bbhp6u-story.html%3foutputType=amp
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The key in this progress was lead by Miami, Tampa and Orlando news agencies of all places.  They have done God's work in framing this debate.  It's not "we need to do something about climate change" anymore.  It's "we need to do something about the flooding in Miami".  "We need to do something about the pollution issues on the coasts".  "We need to be prepared for sea level rise" etc.  Of course, by the time the staunch GOPers catch on, it's too late.  Many around me are pissed with the way DiSantis is governing.  Personally, I am pretty pleased, all things considered.  He's been far more reasonable than I thought he would be much to the chagrin of a lot of people who voted for him.

 
Team Trump setting everything back decades. A guy who thinks the Chinese created this and has the intellectual curiosity of a potted plant is in charge of placing officials who set policy. Thanks again voters.

 
I would definitely would be open to hear more on climate change to change my opinion.  I just haven't seen anything that shows it is an urgent issue.

 
PhantomJB said:
Meanwhile, I have no idea how an issue like climate change can somehow get relegated to the 3rd page of a Political Forum.
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It’s way too easy to ignore. It’s invisible, it’s technical, it’s slow moving. We’re pretty screwed.

 
timschochet said:
But beggars can’t be choosers. He’s the first Republican of note that I can think of who has broken away from their group refusal to address this issue so more power to him. 
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If it ever gets put to a vote we’ll see how he really feels, but John Cornyn has been a tepid supporter of a carbon tax for a few years now. 

 
As @joffer mentions in the national debt thread...the exorbitant cost of climate change solutions used by opponents/deniers is largely a myth. It's just used to scare people.

Of course there will be some additional federal outlays/actions required to accelerate the momentum of the current process, but the primary federal obstacle is neither cost nor technology. It is political will.

Exhibit A is the story of how Michael Skelly of Clean Line Energy Partners raised over $100 million from private investors to build a high-speed DC transmission line from wind farms in Texas to population centers in the Northeast. Clean Line then became partners with the DOE to build it.

The main obstacle to building was not technology or cost but permitting...achieving eminent domain in individual states...the project was cleared in multiple states already before getting completely stonewalled when it got to Arkansas. Why? Because a single senator named Lamar Alexander killed the company by coercing the TVA into not buying what actually would have been cheaper energy (cheaper in the actual contract).

The main point of this post is not to argue partisan politics...but to hopefully begin debunking the myth that technology and a massive federal outlay are the primary obstacles to achieving climate solutions.

https://www.nrdc.org/experts/carl-zichella/superpower-one-mans-quest-transform-american-energy

https://energypolicy.columbia.edu/superpower-one-mans-quest-transform-american-energy

 
Electric cars run on coal. Mining for lithium and rare earths for the batteries are total disasters for the environment. Combustion engines are still cleaner.

The hemp car running on hemp oil is a better solution to our energy and pollution woes. We could power all our country from houses to cars and industry using 6% of the landmass to grow hemp. But that’s too simple. It wouldn’t require a ridiculous cap and trade scheme run by the government and favored industry/ crony capitalists. The current favored proposals are designed to further enslave humanity while enriching the already to rich and powerful. I don’t want my every step micro managed by government in the name of quack science and Marxist control.

 
pinkham13 said:
Electric cars run on coal. Mining for lithium and rare earths for the batteries are total disasters for the environment. Combustion engines are still cleaner.
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EVs are responsible for less pollution than combustion engine vehicles even when the electricity used in the car is generated with coal. The pollution created during the manufacturing process of an EV is about on par with that of a combustion engine vehicle, and that accounts for pollution created during the mining process. EVs becoming more ubiquitous also leads to more battery recycling and less of a need for further mining. 

 
pinkham13 said:
Electric cars run on coal. Mining for lithium and rare earths for the batteries are total disasters for the environment. Combustion engines are still cleaner.

The hemp car running on hemp oil is a better solution to our energy and pollution woes. We could power all our country from houses to cars and industry using 6% of the landmass to grow hemp. But that’s too simple. It wouldn’t require a ridiculous cap and trade scheme run by the government and favored industry/ crony capitalists. The current favored proposals are designed to further enslave humanity while enriching the already to rich and powerful. I don’t want my every step micro managed by government in the name of quack science and Marxist control.
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link

 
Still waiting for the POTUS tweet mocking climate change about the heat wave most of the country is going through during summer. 

 
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pinkham13 said:
sho nuff said:
Huh?  You realize thats infowars right?  And already been refuted in this thread.
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Huh? Have you not heard Ocommunist Cortez speak? She said we need a Marshall plan for climate change. Sounds pretty one world government and U.N. Agenda 21 to me.
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The Marshall Plan was specifically designed to oppose the "one-world-government" model.

I mean, come on. Learn about history before repeating phrases that you hear.

 
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