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Jamal Khashoggi - Journalist Killed in Saudi Consulate (1 Viewer)

Don Quixote said:
Looking around her, Dr. Mahdi could not fathom the Western obsession with the Saudi killing of Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul.

“We’re surprised the Khashoggi case is getting so much attention while millions of Yemeni children are suffering,” she said. “Nobody gives a damn about them.”
I've repeatedly wondered the same d### thing,

 
Not sure how reliable of a source this is, but according to this his body was dissolved.

ETA: AFP appears to be a reliable source after some quick research. 

 
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So the Saudis under investigation and facing certain death as the scapegoats in this fiasco - are going to go quietly? does anyone give them asylum and we find out the real story?

 
White House weighs booting Erdogan foe from U.S. to appease Turkey

The White House is looking for ways to remove an enemy of Turkish President Recep Erdogan from the U.S. in order to placate Turkey over the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to two senior U.S. officials and two other people briefed on the requests.

Trump administration officials last month asked federal law enforcement agencies to examine legal ways of removing exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen in an attempt to persuade Erdogan to ease pressure on the Saudi government, the four sources said.

 
Good thing they had a bone saw on hand in case persuasion and force was not enough for a 15-member special forces team to get Khashoggi to Saudi Arabia.

In the latest version laid out by the prosecutor, a 15-member team was formed to bring Khashoggi back from Istanbul, “by means of persuasion, and if persuasion fails, to do so by force.” The team included a forensic expert “for the purpose of removing evidence from the scene in case force had to be used to return the victim,” according to a summary of the prosecutor’s statement that was emailed to reporters. 

The leader of the Saudi team also contacted a collaborator in Turkey to secure a safe house in case Khashoggi was forcibly removed, the statement said. But after deciding that moving Khashoggi to a safe house would not be possible, a team leader decided to kill the journalist, according to the prosecutor.  

 
This whole "Turning Gulen over to Turkey" deal gets crazier the more I read about it.

I can't believe Trump is still trying to appease Saudi Arabia over the Khashoggi murder.  And, then the notion that the best way to appease a murderer is to hand over someone else to be tortured and murdered, is probably insane.

Surely, this crosses some bright line for some GOPers out there....

 
Trump administration's reported effort to 'barter' a US resident to convince Turkey to ramp down Khashoggi probe stuns foreign-policy veterans

Foreign-policy veterans were floored Thursday following a bombshell report that the White House considered extraditing one of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's top enemies to get Ankara to back off the investigation into the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
Gulen is a legal US resident and a green-card holder who's been living in Pennsylvania since the late 1990s.

 
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The thrust of the Gulen story is that the WH considered shipping a U.S. green card holder to likely torture and death in exchange for a cover-up of the murder of another U.S. green card holder to preserve a weapons deal with a country that spends money at the president's hotel.

 
November, 2017

Special counsel Robert Mueller has begun investigating an alleged plot by former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn to kidnap a Turkish opposition leader living in the U.S.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the investigation confirmed the direction of Mueller’s probe to The Wall Street Journal Friday. Four sources also confirmed it to NBC News.

The plan was to remove Muslim cleric Fethullah Gülen, an avowed enemy of Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, from the U.S. and return him to Turkey. Gülen currently lives in Pennsylvania.

In March, former CIA Director James Woolsey told the WSJ that he attended a meeting in a hotel room in New York City last September where Flynn discussed “a covert step in the dead of night to whisk this guy away.” Flynn was named Trump’s national security adviser in November.

 
Gotta be some actionable civil rights violations here, right?

I guess they'd have to prove the administration is/was trying to do this. Could be tough to do. Then again the administration is full of idiot blabbermouths. Should at least be fare for a nice House investigation of some sort. It's oversight time #####es!!!

 
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It’s already telling the Trump fans have stayed away...I’m sure they will make excuses for Trumps actions in regard to this as well.

And then will complain when the next president has to fix the crap screws up and will call it an apology tour.

 
Yeah, but Kushner says he is cool - so, I think we are going to go with that.
It’s really unfair what they’re doing to MBS. They’re dragging his good name through the dirt, putting his family through hell because of an allegation. Where’s the body? I don’t know. Don’t know how you can have a murder without the body. He probably just got cold feet. His wife, well, she’s no melania. Didn’t they show a video of him leaving out the back?  Anyway, very unfair. Total conjob witch-hunt. The democrats won’t let us put pressure on the saudis, so talk to them. The “killed, dismembered, dissolved in acid” theory is only one side of the story, and the people with that theory have an agenda. 

 
It’s really unfair what they’re doing to MBS. They’re dragging his good name through the dirt, putting his family through hell because of an allegation. Where’s the body? I don’t know. Don’t know how you can have a murder without the body. He probably just got cold feet. His wife, well, she’s no melania. Didn’t they show a video of him leaving out the back?  Anyway, very unfair. Total conjob witch-hunt. The democrats won’t let us put pressure on the saudis, so talk to them. The “killed, dismembered, dissolved in acid” theory is only one side of the story, and the people with that theory have an agenda. 
6/10.  I'm deducting points for not capitalizing random words, proper spelling, no snarky nicknames, and missing "NO COLLUSION!"

ETA: unless this was a speech in which....ahh, forget it.  Same points as above.

 
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So we let a foreign country torture and murder a US citizen and our response is nothing.  Great country we are living in.
Well, we did offer to send Turkey another US resident to kill so that they'll quiet down about the US resident that Saudi Arabia killed. So that's at least something.

 
Heard Trump giving press conference this am.  He’s done a lot to degrade our norms and abandon any sense of moral authority, but maybe none more than this:

He said today that as President he has to consider the economic value of the Saudi relationship before taking any action regarding premeditated murder.  This is an unfathomable position for a US President to take.  

If Warren Buffet ordered a murder (let alone a brutal one), he goes to prison in this country if convicted.  The amount of money he has or the effect on his businesses and business partners/investors is secondary.  I don’t want to live in a country where we’ve lost sight of that.  
This is part of the reason why 2020 will be an absolute nightmare for the GOP. They lose the Presidency, Senate and the house even further. If the GOP actually had a backbone and called this guy out publicly, perhaps that could stem the bleeding. Perhaps.

 
It’s really unfair what they’re doing to MBS. They’re dragging his good name through the dirt, putting his family through hell because of an allegation. Where’s the body? I don’t know. Don’t know how you can have a murder without the body. He probably just got cold feet. His wife, well, she’s no melania. Didn’t they show a video of him leaving out the back?  Anyway, very unfair. Total conjob witch-hunt. The democrats won’t let us put pressure on the saudis, so talk to them. The “killed, dismembered, dissolved in acid” theory is only one side of the story, and the people with that theory have an agenda. 
There are many fine people on both sides of this dispute. 

 
Trump says he’ll speak with CIA about Khashoggi killing

President Trump said Saturday that he would speak with the CIA about its finding that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The Washington Post first reported on Friday that the CIA had assessed with high confidence that the Saudi leader ordered the killing, based on multiple sources of intelligence. 

“We haven’t been briefed yet. The CIA will be speaking to me today,” Trump told reporters on the South Lawn of the White House before leaving to survey damage from wildfires in California. 

But the president has already been shown evidence of the prince’s alleged involvement in the killing, and privately he remains skeptical, Trump aides said. He has also looked for ways to avoid pinning the blame on Mohammed, the aides said. 

ETA - He sounds just like a Trump supporter:

In conversations with his intelligence and national security advisers, the president has seized on the question of whether evidence shows that Mohammed “ordered” Khashoggi’s death, asserting that his advisers haven’t offered him definitive proof. He has also asked CIA and State Department officials where Khashoggi’s body is and has grown frustrated that the journalist’s remains haven’t been found.

 
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WASHINGTON — A top White House official responsible for American policy toward Saudi Arabia resigned on Friday evening, a move that may suggest fractures inside the Trump administration over the response to the brutal killing of the dissident Jamal Khashoggi.

The official, Kirsten Fontenrose, had pushed for tough measures against the Saudi government, and had been in Riyadh to discuss a raft of sanctions that the American government imposed in recent days against those identified as responsible for the killing, according to two people familiar with the conversations. Specifically, she advocated that Saud al-Qahtani, a top adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, be added to the list, and he ultimately was.

The exact circumstances of her departure are murky, and it is unclear whether her advocacy for a hawkish response to the killing angered some in the White House. When she returned to Washington, according to the two people, she had a dispute with her bosses at the National Security Council, where she had served as the director for the Persian Gulf region.

 
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WASHINGTON — A top White House official responsible for American policy toward Saudi Arabia resigned on Friday evening, a move that may suggest fractures inside the Trump administration over the response to the brutal killing of the dissident Jamal Khashoggi.

The official, Kirsten Fontenrose, had pushed for tough measures against the Saudi government, and had been in Riyadh to discuss a raft of sanctions that the American government imposed in recent days against those identified as responsible for the killing, according to two people familiar with the conversations. Specifically, she advocated that Saud al-Qahtani, a top adviser to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, be added to the list, and he ultimately was.

The exact circumstances of her departure are murky, and it is unclear whether her advocacy for a hawkish response to the killing angered some in the White House. When she returned to Washington, according to the two people, she had a dispute with her bosses at the National Security Council, where she had served as the director for the Persian Gulf region.
And they’ll replace her with a Fox contributor or a masseuse at Mara lago. 

 

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