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Did you miss it when Hannity did? FTR, I don't know why either of those dudes would invite an entertainer to the White House but don't think either should be ridiculed for it. I don't care about what entertainers or celebrities think about politics - which is why I don't care what Trump thinks.
Presidents have been having celebs in the WH since Al Jolsen, so yeah not a big deal. It's certainly not thread-worthy. However some people are under the impression that a wave of black voters follow West around and do whatever he says politically no matter how crazy. I mean what kind of celebrity has ever had that kind of following?
There's a lot of complicated answers to this question, and we could get into it some other time if you really want. There were some good, detailed discussions of this issue in the "before" times.
I am not saying all blacks like Trump, they don`t sing his praises around here but there is really no bashing like what goes on in this forum. More of just trying to better their life's anyway possible and improve the city thought process. If you want to work in Metro-Detroit now you are working. Everywhere you go there are help wanted signs. That is where the focus is.
He's an artist. Apple is one of his big sources of money. It's not unusual or strange at all. And what does race have to do with Apple?
There's LOTS of people that for a while now (READ: before Trump) that would want to vote for something other than the two options available but we aren't anywhere close to that happening. But I guarantee you that today, black voters aren't walking away from the Dems to vote for Trump, just not happening.
I think the "average" person doesn't even vote - they don't care. I think the "average" voter doesn't even pay attention and just votes how they always have. People look at this forum and others like it and at cable news shows and make really bad assumptions about the "average" American. Sometimes I envy them not paying attention to all of this crap.
He claimed he needed to free a murderer serving six consecutive life sentences because he's that guy in an alternate universe. Seriously. He actually said that.
I agree it is tough to get a good read on things here. This PSF is basically maybe 30-40 regulars? Out of those 90% have hated Trump from day 1. I don`t like Trump either but he does not have any impact on my being nor do I think about him 24-7.
Huh? What the heck does that have to do with anything?
I just don't see anything odd about him appearing at an Apple store. He's a musician. I also don't understand the implications around Apple being a "white people" store. It seems to me that people of all races like Apple.
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Honestly I think he probably just ended up there because he was staying at the Four Seasons nearby, which is the go-to hotel for celebs in town. It was still a pretty funny choice though. And like I said if he really wanted to bring black people into the fold he had the chance to do so and didn't take it.
I think there is Trump fatigue on both sides of the aisle. There's only so much a person can take of this stuff before they let it affect their personal life too much.
No, the GOP/Trump are not going to get the majority of the black vote anytime in my lifetime, but the black vote was a key to Trump winning. The percentage of black voting had been steadily increasing for 30 years, but sharply declined in 2016. And those who did vote were more likely to vote GOP. Of course much of the reversal had to do with Clinton being on the ballot instead of Obama, but Dems went from an 87-point advantage to an 80-point one. If the GOP is going to win elections in the future, they need to keep chipping away at this. That does not require winning the black vote, just moving towards getting 20 percent instead of 5 percent.
I just think this stuff is interesting. Trump got 6% of the black vote in Michigan. Also 6% in Wisconsin. He got 7% in PA.
If you go back to the 2000 and 2004 elections the split was basically the same as it was in 2016. So I don't think there's much evidence that 2016 represents a trend, like you said it was likely just a reversion to the mean because Obama wasn't on the ballot bringing out folks who perhaps don't vote in every election.
Wasn’t just a Bowie thing and he “didn’t go nazi”. The dress was meant to shock and offend parents and the whole WW2 generation
Sorry I know you're long gone from this much needed thread, but I just want to point out that this is the way Trump operates. Look at what happened here. Trump had West at the WH. And what as a Trump supporter is your takeaway? That Trump had a winner over and look at the media’s reaction. No discussion about what Trump is doing for black Americans. This really is a classic Trump moment, here's a black celebrity, therefore Trump will win the black vote and...? Crazy way to run a government.
I think there's lots of things being done but nobody likes to focus on the good things - unfortunately, there's many people who want to use them as pawns in a political power game.Cowboysfan8 said:
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That's just not true. Just off the top of my head, here's three things that Dems did during the Obama administration, most of which the Trump administration has reversed in one way or another:Cowboysfan8 said:
Obviously I didn't mean that he turned into a full-on Nazi, but it wasn't just dress either. I googled it before posting.Mike Damone said:
Replace the first sentence with one of the many nonsensical Kanye quotes about why he likes Trump. Then replace the word Jews with "Hispanic toddlers" in the second sentence. I'd bet a large sum of money that one day Kanye will say something that closely approximates that.
It's telling that the conservatives who have posted in the Voter Suppression thread I started have focused entirely on the North Dakota thing. Not one person is interested in defending the Georgia GOP.
Neither side is covering themselves in glory but the GOP guy is pulling out all the stops. Veiled threats with a gun in one ad and claiming Abrams doesn't support child sex trafficking laws in another. No matter your politics this guys seems like a grade A #####.
Trump got 8% of the black vote in 2016 which was the most in a Presidential election since 2004. If I were him, I'd shoot for ~12% of the black vote and be happy with that.
Certainly this is due to Trump and not some other variable in the 2008 and 2012 Presidential elections that might have affected the African-American vote, right?
I was personally appalled at the way the Liberal media responded to the meeting. Kayne made multiple points (stop and frisk laws, prison reform, overseas labor issues, welfare) and instead of attacking the guys points, they attacked the guy personally. "This is what happens when negro's don't read", "token negro", etc.SaintsInDome2006 said:
He's done absolutely nothing to warrant having his political views debated seriously and responded to in kind. As I posted yesterday, when he first decided to do this MAGA thing he hadn't even heard about the so-called "Muslim Ban." To my knowledge he still hasn't reconciled his Trump support with that, or the family separation policy, or any number of negative, controversial things Trump has done that other Trump supporters are forced to defend or distance themselves from.
So I understand your position, if you want people to listen and or respond to your policy views you need to run for office?
No. In order for there to be some sort of obligation to respond to your policy views, you need to do one of the things I listed (run for office, establish yourself as a political activist who engages in such discussions, or go somewhere dedicated to discussing policy, where there's a back and forth and certain expectations of dialogue). And I'm sure there's others that haven't occurred to me. Basically, show that you've given real thought to the issues and that you're open to discussion and criticism. But I don't see that Kanye has done anything like that.
Healthcare, the environment, consumer protections, gay rights, higher minimum wages, labor rights, fighting for medicare, medicaid and social security? I don't think it has to targeted at black folks to be good policy for them.
The environment is a particularly good example, because most people don't think of it as a race/social justice issue, but it is. Flint is the obvious example (imagine that happening in Grosse Point). Climate change is another example. In the long term the regions most affected will of course be the coastal states, which are disproportionately African-American. And of course as those impacts continue to arrive, ability to cope with them will depend on financial status. Not to mention the fact that we tend to locate high-pollution industry in lower income areas in the first place, increasing their vulnerability to various health problems. It's all intertwined.
I just now listened to some of his talk - I don't know if he's an uneducated idiot but he sure sounds like a lunatic. I was
when he starts talking about alternate Universes and Trump is nodding. How the hell does the secret service not shut it down right there? There's a lunatic talking to the President - shut it down.
I couldn’t get past that as well. There’s no “liberal media” at work here. CNN didn’t attack Kanye because he is a Trump supporter. They attacked him because he sounded like a ####### lunatic and he’s at the White House! I don’t think we should be apologizing for what CNN said; they were dead on.I just now listened to some of his talk - I don't know if he's an uneducated idiot but he sure sounds like a lunatic. I was
He sounds like a lunatic because that is what he is.I just now listened to some of his talk - I don't know if he's an uneducated idiot but he sure sounds like a lunatic. I was
